Taylor no longer sole selector

[ricksen]

An interesting article in light of discussion around Taylor:

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/06/01/05/05/benji-leaps-to-farah-s-defence

Thanks for the article.

What I want to know is:

What we do at Wests Tigers - how does that concern Marshall and Ennis who both play for other teams. They both have enough concerns with themselves, to be worrying about other teams.

They're recurring guests on NRL 360.

 

[Tigermama]

All that post tells me is JT now is a bit player in the scheme of things and it is only a matter of time before he is punted! Cherrington will not be at the club regardless of Farah as Liddle is the preferred hooker moving forward Cherrington has been playing of the bench for reserves a lot .If JAC wants to stay he will not the clubs fault again you can not pay massive overs for potential ( been there before),same for the halves really if they could tackle they would be in a better position what club will pay huge $ for speed humps.How Oniel is Mr Wonderful well we will see,and is Sironen an adult his daddy had to be told :laughing: .

Ever since Mark O'Neill came to the post i feel the signs have been on the Wall for JT and his future as far as Head Coach goes , as TT confirmed that JT will definitely not be here 2018 and beyond .
JT obviously hasn't got full control of things , gee it must be so annoying for him to have to run his selections through Buckets .

One thing is fact in TT post. Buckets seems to be everywhere. In the sheds, coaches box etc. Is that the norm for a football manager?
One way or the other they need to decide who is there future anyway ? Liddle or Cherrington , Ballin is here next year anyway and by the sounds of things it seems like they see Liddle as the future Hooker…..can't keep both .

In regards with JAC , paying 120k and 180k for 2nd Season hardly calling it massive overs for there Potential what Moses and Brooks are getting $$$$$ is absolutely Ridiculous......that's what you call paying massive overs for Potential.

 

[Tigermama]

no hate for taylor - just not the right man for the job - he's doing his best - I'm sure his is - he wants what we want - anybody disagree? Feel free.

Good to have you back posting AHX. :slight_smile:

 

[Tigermama]

Yeah i've noticed that aswell .

JT is loosing control , O'Neill is JT's Boss now and it's not as if he can say to Buckets i don't want you in the Coaches Box :laughing: .

JT has to get Buckets approval with his team selections…..what does that tell you ? TT confirmed the inevitable .

Are you still putting the Keg on at your place ? :laughing:

When JT goes I'll order Kegs mate Along with an all you can eat BBQ …all Taylor Dislikers are more than welcome :laughing:

I wouldn't be putting the order in just yet..

Didn't Wests Tigers have to be 50% at Round 12 or gone…?

Well were 5 wins from 12 rounds …
How do you like your steak Mr G ??

Geo likes his steak in pies. I'll bring some for him. :smiley:

 

[Tigermama]

So our next run of losses will be buckets fault?

The can of worms have been opened ,Oniel is now the person pulling the stings so from now on indeed it will be him that has to wear what the team is doing! JT seems to be the fall guy ,he is the guy that has no say but will be paraded out for press conferences ,and the hard questions .i think from this week the captain should not be next to Taylor at pressers but Oniel needs to be ,you can not have a final say on operations and hide behind a door .Whether you like Taylor or not this is a pretty grubby way to treat someone ,if he is not good enough to make all the decisions and coach the team please get a set and SACK him!

Phil Gould does the same at Penrith. Has his hand in everything, for the betterment of the club.

 

[Tigermama]

I am way off with my interpretation ot TT s post compared to others. I don't really care to much about how Taylor feels only interested in results.
For whatever reason a decision was made to select the team through consultation and I would assume that was made for good reason.
It seems equally the players are being assessed on their performance - so I see it as the people leading the club taking control personalties and individuals aside in the best interest of the club and team.

Same Telltails. I don't give a hoot about JT's feelings either. I just want to see the club being successful and which ever player gets selected ,i want to see them put in the effort and play with pride each and every game. And if means stepping on JT's toes to achieve this then that's fine by me. :sign:

 

[gallagher]

So our next run of losses will be buckets fault?

The can of worms have been opened ,Oniel is now the person pulling the stings so from now on indeed it will be him that has to wear what the team is doing! JT seems to be the fall guy ,he is the guy that has no say but will be paraded out for press conferences ,and the hard questions .i think from this week the captain should not be next to Taylor at pressers but Oniel needs to be ,you can not have a final say on operations and hide behind a door .Whether you like Taylor or not this is a pretty grubby way to treat someone ,if he is not good enough to make all the decisions and coach the team please get a set and SACK him!

Phil Gould does the same at Penrith. Has his hand in everything, for the betterment of the club.

He had said numerous times he doesn't get involved with selections or coaching.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

An interesting article in light of discussion around Taylor:

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/06/01/05/05/benji-leaps-to-farah-s-defence

Thanks for the article.

What I want to know is:

What we do at Wests Tigers - how does that concern Marshall and Ennis who both play for other teams. They both have enough concerns with themselves, to be worrying about other teams.[/quote

You wouldnt expect anything else from Ennis. He hates Farah
this is from the hooker that directly gave away at least one Soo game through his usual stupidity
a minute or two before Fulltime

 

[851]

That really is some fascinating insight into Mark O'neill and how he is approaching his role. Like TigerTorch said it is not the sort of hands on approach that someone like Bennett or Bellemy would appreciate. However obviously O'Neill feels it is required here to right the ship.

I think it is good to see O'Neill is asserting some authority if he feels like selection needs a shake up. Looks like he got sick of rubbish like Milone getting picked and Buchanan and now we are rewarding PERFORMANCE. Our culture of a lack of accountability at selections has cost us for years and years in my opinion.

Looks like he has no time for the boys club of mates being picked every week. If this is the start of a cultural change I am all for it. If Taylor won't make the hard calls well done Oneill for demanding it.

Agree. A coach that doesn't make the team selections on performance, has no right coaching.

And that is why JT has been put in the position he is in now, he could have avoided all this by picking teams on merit earlier in the season, he didn't and he is just copping the inevitable backlash, his own fault, and possibly his own undoing.

 

[Tigermama]

Yeah i agree.

Yeah O.K Buckets is the GM but just let JT do his job during game day and not fill like his getting recorded with every message his sending the Trainer .
I would be saying to Buckets judge me at Seasons end if you want…...just leave me in Peace .

Unless JT approved Mark O'Neill being in the Coaches Box during Game day cause i would certainly feel uncomfortable .

Spot on Guys…what value is there in O'Neill being in the coaches box?....Its like when a Managers stands over you looking over your shoulder while you work....most of us feel uncomfortable and a sense of "I'm being judged"...O'Neill should be out wining and dining our Corporates with Pascoe during game days

Tigerap I believe you have misunderstood his job role then.

Buckets is not judged on how many sponsors he brings in, his job is head of football operations and he needs to worry about getting results on the field. I would expect him to be heavily involved on game day with all our Coaches + Players, not up in the grandstands sinking booze with the corporates.

Gus has the same role at the Panthers and i've never seen him in the coaches box once in 5 yrs.

Doesn't need to be. His club is not a basket case… Plus Old Gus is a very ,very busy man.

 

[Tigermama]

Buckets being in the box is pathetic. Mayer did it to Potter and now its' happening again. Succeed or fail, he's the coach and it's simply not right to have Oneil looking over his shoulder. If he's not happy, he should pull the lever and have someone else within the organisation take over. I think we're heading for all the wrong headlines again towards season end. Brace yourselves.

Yeah i agree.

Yeah O.K Buckets is the GM but just let JT do his job during game day and not fill like his getting recorded with every message his sending the Trainer .
I would be saying to Buckets judge me at Seasons end if you want…...just leave me in Peace .

Unless JT approved Mark O'Neill being in the Coaches Box during Game day cause i would certainly feel uncomfortable .

Spot on Guys…what value is there in O'Neill being in the coaches box?....Its like when a Managers stands over you looking over your shoulder while you work....most of us feel uncomfortable and a sense of "I'm being judged"...O'Neill should be out wining and dining our Corporates with Pascoe during game days

Some would call it workplace bullying!

Missed you Flip. :stuck_out_tongue: Welcome back…

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

So our next run of losses will be buckets fault?

The can of worms have been opened ,Oniel is now the person pulling the stings so from now on indeed it will be him that has to wear what the team is doing! JT seems to be the fall guy ,he is the guy that has no say but will be paraded out for press conferences ,and the hard questions .i think from this week the captain should not be next to Taylor at pressers but Oniel needs to be ,you can not have a final say on operations and hide behind a door .Whether you like Taylor or not this is a pretty grubby way to treat someone ,if he is not good enough to make all the decisions and coach the team please get a set and SACK him!

Phil Gould does the same at Penrith. Has his hand in everything, for the betterment of the club.

He had said numerous times he doesn't get involved with selections or coaching.

And he lies too
Did he not tell Seggy he is not wanted and wont be re-signed…
Gus loves power!!!
He has everything to do with selections
He has been a coach, he cant stand by and watch under performing boys picked !!

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Couple of things- Gould has commitments to Channel 9, might be why he is rarely in the coaches box.

O'Neill in the coaches box does not automatically mean he is standing over Taylor. Could be they are using the week to week grind & game day to assess who stays/goes from the playing roster.

Having O'Neill in the selection room with Taylor- if it were a problem I'd assume we would have heard by now. I imagine Taylor has both Kidwell & Sandercock in the selection process too. Some here are making out like JT gets a team handed to him & told to make it work.

How much evidence is there that O'Neill being a team selector now has forced JT to make changes? Injuries have forced changes- both people out & coming back in. There are only a couple of examples of players missing out on form- Sironen to some degree & now Rankin, due to Tedesco coming back in & JAC's level of play. Hardly a damning review of JT's selections.

There is a lot of harping on about 'poor selections', but I feel 90% of it is based on the JAC love affair, and 1 game where Farah, Halatau & Cherrington were all selected. Ok- bad week there. But since then? I think the team selections have not been that far off right based on availability.

There are a select faction group around that want JT gone, and every time a cloud covers the sun see it as an indication that JT is gone. Yet, I see these young players win 3 of the last 4, pushing for the 8 & with numerous re-signings in the last couple of weeks. The arrow is pointing up, if you stop looking for the negative in everything.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Couple of things- Gould has commitments to Channel 9, might be why he is rarely in the coaches box.

O'Neill in the coaches box does not automatically mean he is standing over Taylor. Could be they are using the week to week grind & game day to assess who stays/goes from the playing roster.

Having O'Neill in the selection room with Taylor- if it were a problem I'd assume we would have heard by now. I imagine Taylor has both Kidwell & Sandercock in the selection process too. Some here are making out like JT gets a team handed to him & told to make it work.

How much evidence is there that O'Neill being a team selector now has forced JT to make changes? Injuries have forced changes- both people out & coming back in. There are only a couple of examples of players missing out on form- Sironen to some degree & now Rankin, due to Tedesco coming back in & JAC's level of play. Hardly a damning review of JT's selections.

There is a lot of harping on about 'poor selections', but I feel 90% of it is based on the JAC love affair, and 1 game where Farah, Halatau & Cherrington were all selected. Ok- bad week there. But since then? I think the team selections have not been that far off right based on availability.

There are a select faction group around that want JT gone, and every time a cloud covers the sun see it as an indication that JT is gone. Yet, I see these young players win 3 of the last 4, pushing for the 8 & with numerous re-signings in the last couple of weeks. The arrow is pointing up, if you stop looking for the negative in everything.

A lot of the games where our halves play, should have resulted in dropping at least one of them. at least the droppings this week is a g.ood start.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Couple of things- Gould has commitments to Channel 9, might be why he is rarely in the coaches box.

O'Neill in the coaches box does not automatically mean he is standing over Taylor. Could be they are using the week to week grind & game day to assess who stays/goes from the playing roster.

Having O'Neill in the selection room with Taylor- if it were a problem I'd assume we would have heard by now. I imagine Taylor has both Kidwell & Sandercock in the selection process too. Some here are making out like JT gets a team handed to him & told to make it work.

How much evidence is there that O'Neill being a team selector now has forced JT to make changes? Injuries have forced changes- both people out & coming back in. There are only a couple of examples of players missing out on form- Sironen to some degree & now Rankin, due to Tedesco coming back in & JAC's level of play. Hardly a damning review of JT's selections.

There is a lot of harping on about 'poor selections', but I feel 90% of it is based on the JAC love affair, and 1 game where Farah, Halatau & Cherrington were all selected. Ok- bad week there. But since then? I think the team selections have not been that far off right based on availability.

There are a select faction group around that want JT gone, and every time a cloud covers the sun see it as an indication that JT is gone. Yet, I see these young players win 3 of the last 4, pushing for the 8 & with numerous re-signings in the last couple of weeks. The arrow is pointing up, if you stop looking for the negative in everything.

A lot of the games where our halves play, should have resulted in dropping at least one of them. at least the droppings this week is a g.ood start.

While that may be true in some fans eyes, again the "O'Neill is a team selector & therefore picking better teams" argument fails, because neither Brooks or Moses have been dropped under the O'Neill selections either.

People want Mark O'Neill having a say in team selections to mean that JT is losing power in the club. But there is zero evidence of any change.

 

[Geo]

Chad ,,,,you know a whole bunch of tin-foil wearers just tighten their hats after your post now don't you…

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Couple of things- Gould has commitments to Channel 9, might be why he is rarely in the coaches box.

O'Neill in the coaches box does not automatically mean he is standing over Taylor. Could be they are using the week to week grind & game day to assess who stays/goes from the playing roster.

Having O'Neill in the selection room with Taylor- if it were a problem I'd assume we would have heard by now. I imagine Taylor has both Kidwell & Sandercock in the selection process too. Some here are making out like JT gets a team handed to him & told to make it work.

How much evidence is there that O'Neill being a team selector now has forced JT to make changes? Injuries have forced changes- both people out & coming back in. There are only a couple of examples of players missing out on form- Sironen to some degree & now Rankin, due to Tedesco coming back in & JAC's level of play. Hardly a damning review of JT's selections.

There is a lot of harping on about 'poor selections', but I feel 90% of it is based on the JAC love affair, and 1 game where Farah, Halatau & Cherrington were all selected. Ok- bad week there. But since then? I think the team selections have not been that far off right based on availability.

There are a select faction group around that want JT gone, and every time a cloud covers the sun see it as an indication that JT is gone. Yet, I see these young players win 3 of the last 4, pushing for the 8 & with numerous re-signings in the last couple of weeks. The arrow is pointing up, if you stop looking for the negative in everything.

A lot of the games where our halves play, should have resulted in dropping at least one of them. at least the droppings this week is a g.ood start.

While that may be true in some fans eyes, again the "O'Neill is a team selector & therefore picking better teams" argument fails, because neither Brooks or Moses have been dropped under the O'Neill selections either.

People want Mark O'Neill having a say in team selections to mean that JT is losing power in the club. But there is zero evidence of any change.

I don't know how long he has had input into selections, (if at all) but,by the sound of TTs post it's only just started . Actually I can't see anyone being prepared to drop either of them after they've signed for their superation fund.
They've always been Koala Bears in this club. I simply hope someone will assess them on performances, sooner, rather than later.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Couple of things- Gould has commitments to Channel 9, might be why he is rarely in the coaches box.

O'Neill in the coaches box does not automatically mean he is standing over Taylor. Could be they are using the week to week grind & game day to assess who stays/goes from the playing roster.

I was in the box next to O'Neill, Kidwell & Taylor last Friday Night and O'Neill never once made a comment to the boys in the front panel making notes etc.

He was purely an observer.

 

[hobbo]

Chad ,,,,you know a whole bunch of tin-foil wearers just tighten their hats after your post now don't you…

Better than wearing glad wrap around your head, hey bad boy bubby !!!

 

[gallagher]

That really is some fascinating insight into Mark O'neill and how he is approaching his role. Like TigerTorch said it is not the sort of hands on approach that someone like Bennett or Bellemy would appreciate. However obviously O'Neill feels it is required here to right the ship.

I think it is good to see O'Neill is asserting some authority if he feels like selection needs a shake up. Looks like he got sick of rubbish like Milone getting picked and Buchanan and now we are rewarding PERFORMANCE. Our culture of a lack of accountability at selections has cost us for years and years in my opinion.

Looks like he has no time for the boys club of mates being picked every week. If this is the start of a cultural change I am all for it. If Taylor won't make the hard calls well done Oneill for demanding it.

You seemed to think buckets had a big input a while ago Eddie.
Now he has none?