Tevita Pangai Junior

[jirskyr]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

Aren't you amazed many fans have hung on so long ......I don't get your anger at fans for finally being over it all

I'm not angry at all. I just don't get it - I don't understand to have hung on so long, but 2021 is the final straw. People are always saying it's the final straw, not good enough etc., they always come back.

Not going anywhere just want new people to fix it

The real question is "are Tigers making forward progress overall?" If the answer is no, then sure, kick out the incumbents. BUT realise of course the new people have to deal with the same crap, same as what is happening at Broncos right now.

If Tigers are making "some" forward progress, then it makes sense to let those people keep going for the regulation tenure to achieve some results - 5 years.

Of course if Craig Bellamy or Tommy Turbo become available - go for it. But to argue we'd be better off parachuting in John Morris or Cheaty Flanagan... it's madness to me.

 

[Demps]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

TPJ despite being an occasionally hard player...
Surely isn't worth the 700k risk.

He's a loose cannon, has attitude problems, can be lazy, doesn't follow the rules and thinks he's a G.

Bulldogs are making moves, yeah but.... still don't have a decent fullback or hooker.
They're going to still have problems.

 

[Needaname]

Ok here’s what we do with our 6% cap money not spent.
Pay forward our big contract deals for next year and add possibly Tualagi or Cooper or Pauga into the 30.
‘Not MBye’
We then effectively have a cap of 106% next year.
Search for a leader in each position we need and sign them up.
Sironen bring him home 450k should do it.
Finucane give him the house for 2+1 years. 750k should do it.
Get an experienced back utility in the form of Hymel Hunt Justin O-Neil. $250k should do it.

Now before anyone says we are paying overs. Think about the relativity of it. Paying more of our big contracts this year means that although it seems like we will be paying too much for some of the above we will effectively have the extra room to make it possible.
By the following year MBye would be finishing up and Brooks and a couple of others will be coming to contract renewals so we are in a better position to either let them go or renew their contracts to a fairer rate.
But next year is key. If we can add 3 senior players some top of their position others as back up’s we should have the right balance for this talented core of juniors and young recruited rookies to develop into a powerhouse.

 

[jirskyr]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??

Spend it on the existing contracts. You don't seem to be getting what I mean - if you have left-over money, you forward-pay existing players (your obligation) and hold on to the reserve. So pay Luke Brooks double for 2022 and half for 2023, which means the warchest survives over multiple seasons.

"If we can't sign a Top 15-20" - well we can sign them. I'm sure if you offered TPJ a million bucks he'd take it. I'm sure if I went to the bank and put my house down as collateral, they'd give me a loan to buy a Ferrari. It's about wise spending of the war chest.

I'll reiterate - war chest spending of the past has been HORRENDOUS. Terry Hill / Hopoate / Owen Craigie / Jarrod McCracken... Reynolds / Packer / Mbye / Matulino.

 

[tiger-ferret 2]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

I would think the goal is to always have a war chest? Or at least a flexible war chest? Being locked into long term, expensive deals with players no one else wants seems to be a thing of the past?

 

[Demps]

Ok here’s what we do with our 6% cap money not spent.
Pay forward our big contract deals for next year and add possibly Tualagi or Cooper or Pauga into the 30.
‘Not MBye’
We then effectively have a cap of 106% next year.
Search for a leader in each position we need and sign them up.
Sironen bring him home 450k should do it.
Finucane give him the house for 2+1 years. 750k should do it.
Get an experienced back utility in the form of Hymel Hunt Justin O-Neil. $250k should do it.

Now before anyone says we are paying overs. Think about the relativity of it. Paying more of our big contracts this year means that although it seems like we will be paying too much for some of the above we will effectively have the extra room to make it possible.
By the following year MBye would be finishing up and Brooks and a couple of others will be coming to contract renewals so we are in a better position to either let them go or renew their contracts to a fairer rate.
But next year is key. If we can add 3 senior players some top of their position others as back up’s we should have the right balance for this talented core of juniors and young recruited rookies to develop into a powerhouse.

Great post.

I'd like to add....
Walk away from other flops like Mbye, including
Brooks, Jet, BJ, Tamou and Nofo.

 

[jirskyr]

Ok here’s what we do with our 6% cap money not spent.
Pay forward our big contract deals for next year and add possibly Tualagi or Cooper or Pauga into the 30.
‘Not MBye’
We then effectively have a cap of 106% next year.
Search for a leader in each position we need and sign them up.
Sironen bring him home 450k should do it.
Finucane give him the house for 2+1 years. 750k should do it.
Get an experienced back utility in the form of Hymel Hunt Justin O-Neil. $250k should do it.

Now before anyone says we are paying overs. Think about the relativity of it. Paying more of our big contracts this year means that although it seems like we will be paying too much for some of the above we will effectively have the extra room to make it possible.
By the following year MBye would be finishing up and Brooks and a couple of others will be coming to contract renewals so we are in a better position to either let them go or renew their contracts to a fairer rate.
But next year is key. If we can add 3 senior players some top of their position others as back up’s we should have the right balance for this talented core of juniors and young recruited rookies to develop into a powerhouse.

Yes to most of this, no to Sironen.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

TPJ despite being an occasionally hard player...
Surely isn't worth the 700k risk.

He's a loose cannon, has attitude problems, can be lazy, doesn't follow the rules and thinks he's a G.

Bulldogs are making moves, yeah but.... still don't have a decent fullback or hooker.
They're going to still have problems.

Agreed re 700...

But, simple reality is, no one is coming to us for market value.

Young blokes like Blore, Stefano we managed to get by offering a chance...but no big name is coming here for a chance.

TPJ and Finucane are 500 a year players on grand final teams...but you need to offer 700 to even get them to think about moving to us. That is the reality we face.

 

[happy_tiger]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??

Spend it on the existing contracts. You don't seem to be getting what I mean - if you have left-over money, you forward-pay existing players (your obligation) and hold on to the reserve. So pay Luke Brooks double for 2022 and half for 2023, which means the warchest survives over multiple seasons.

"If we can't sign a Top 15-20" - well we can sign them. I'm sure if you offered TPJ a million bucks he'd take it. I'm sure if I went to the bank and put my house down as collateral, they'd give me a loan to buy a Ferrari. It's about wise spending of the war chest.

I'll reiterate - war chest spending of the past has been HORRENDOUS. Terry Hill / Hopoate / Owen Craigie / Jarrod McCracken... Reynolds / Packer / Mbye / Matulino.

Why didn't you mention upgrades .....because you know many on here will shoot you down

Name 5 players that deserve upgrading ......which in real terms is paying overs to .....which is exactly what you have said not to do to external signings ......

5 years to fix us ...or bury us ......do us all a favour ...we don't deserve it

 

[Telltails]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

When the manager says we need to come up with 700k - those doubts become more critical.
You don't add a player to strengthen your squad who gets paid more and doesn't deliver - we of all clubs know how that ends up.
If TPJ is going to get more than any other forward he packs down with then you need the assurance that he will deliver.

 

[ElleryHanley]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??

Spend it on the existing contracts. You don't seem to be getting what I mean - if you have left-over money, you forward-pay existing players (your obligation) and hold on to the reserve. So pay Luke Brooks double for 2022 and half for 2023, which means the warchest survives over multiple seasons.

"If we can't sign a Top 15-20" - well we can sign them. I'm sure if you offered TPJ a million bucks he'd take it. I'm sure if I went to the bank and put my house down as collateral, they'd give me a loan to buy a Ferrari. It's about wise spending of the war chest.

I'll reiterate - war chest spending of the past has been HORRENDOUS. Terry Hill / Hopoate / Owen Craigie / Jarrod McCracken... Reynolds / Packer / Mbye / Matulino.

Good post.

I think we need to pay overs...that is simple reality...BUT we have to get it right.

I would be very comfortable with us paying 900 for the Cheese, for example. Tons of energy, young, big games experience.

The alternative is to wait and let the young blokes develop. The problem with that is you are looking at no finals for another couple of years min and the fan base has already waited longer than any other club. It is a tough position to be, but they absolutely have to get it right.

 

[jirskyr]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

When the manager says we need to come up with 700k - those doubts become more critical.
You don't add a player to strengthen your squad who gets paid more and doesn't deliver - we of all clubs know how that ends up.
If TPJ is going to get more than any other forward he packs down with then you need the assurance that he will deliver.

Yes, he would have been a big gamble...he also may have been exactly what we needed IF he matured.

We have a young pack with no ball playing or grunt...he offered both.

 

[happy_tiger]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

I would think the goal is to always have a war chest? Or at least a flexible war chest? Being locked into long term, expensive deals with players no one else wants seems to be a thing of the past?

You just end up going round and round in the same circle ...over and over again

You end up paying external players over or you pay unproven juniors overs ......lose/lose

I would imagine the goal is to try and have a war chest when the Pay TV / FTA rights up are for grabs .....far more players available ...far more $$$$'s available .....supply and demand results end up far more even

Common sense business plan .....

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Ok here’s what we do with our 6% cap money not spent.
Pay forward our big contract deals for next year and add possibly Tualagi or Cooper or Pauga into the 30.
‘Not MBye’
We then effectively have a cap of 106% next year.
Search for a leader in each position we need and sign them up.
Sironen bring him home 450k should do it.
Finucane give him the house for 2+1 years. 750k should do it.
Get an experienced back utility in the form of Hymel Hunt Justin O-Neil. $250k should do it.

Now before anyone says we are paying overs. Think about the relativity of it. Paying more of our big contracts this year means that although it seems like we will be paying too much for some of the above we will effectively have the extra room to make it possible.
By the following year MBye would be finishing up and Brooks and a couple of others will be coming to contract renewals so we are in a better position to either let them go or renew their contracts to a fairer rate.
But next year is key. If we can add 3 senior players some top of their position others as back up’s we should have the right balance for this talented core of juniors and young recruited rookies to develop into a powerhouse.

Sironen - no thanks, he played like he cannot stand to be tackles, always passing the ball way before the line!
Tuilagi, Blore, Dias, Simpkins, Garner, L Leilua >>> Sironen

 

[ElleryHanley]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

 

[Tiger5150]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Ouch........that hurts for some reason

 

[jirskyr]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??

Spend it on the existing contracts. You don't seem to be getting what I mean - if you have left-over money, you forward-pay existing players (your obligation) and hold on to the reserve. So pay Luke Brooks double for 2022 and half for 2023, which means the warchest survives over multiple seasons.

"If we can't sign a Top 15-20" - well we can sign them. I'm sure if you offered TPJ a million bucks he'd take it. I'm sure if I went to the bank and put my house down as collateral, they'd give me a loan to buy a Ferrari. It's about wise spending of the war chest.

I'll reiterate - war chest spending of the past has been HORRENDOUS. Terry Hill / Hopoate / Owen Craigie / Jarrod McCracken... Reynolds / Packer / Mbye / Matulino.

Why didn't you mention upgrades .....because you know many on here will shoot you down

Name 5 players that deserve upgrading ......which in real terms is paying overs to .....which is exactly what you have said not to do to external signings ......

5 years to fix us ...or bury us ......do us all a favour ...we don't deserve it

You said nobody deserves an upgrade. I said "ok what about forward payments?". I agree there isn't much point upgrading anyone right now, noting of course I have no idea what anyone is actually being paid.

If you have to spend a certain % of money, and there isn't an obvious candidate who deserves a bonus or a pay rise, you pay out the existing obligations and look again when the market is better.

 

[jirskyr]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??

Spend it on the existing contracts. You don't seem to be getting what I mean - if you have left-over money, you forward-pay existing players (your obligation) and hold on to the reserve. So pay Luke Brooks double for 2022 and half for 2023, which means the warchest survives over multiple seasons.

"If we can't sign a Top 15-20" - well we can sign them. I'm sure if you offered TPJ a million bucks he'd take it. I'm sure if I went to the bank and put my house down as collateral, they'd give me a loan to buy a Ferrari. It's about wise spending of the war chest.

I'll reiterate - war chest spending of the past has been HORRENDOUS. Terry Hill / Hopoate / Owen Craigie / Jarrod McCracken... Reynolds / Packer / Mbye / Matulino.

Good post.

I think we need to pay overs...that is simple reality...BUT we have to get it right.

I would be very comfortable with us paying 900 for the Cheese, for example. Tons of energy, young, big games experience.

The alternative is to wait and let the young blokes develop. The problem with that is you are looking at no finals for another couple of years min and the fan base has already waited longer than any other club. It is a tough position to be, but they absolutely have to get it right.

Yes pay overs when the risk is low as possible. Don't pay overs at high risk.

Low risk = consistent players likely to play well outside of their existing system. I agree, Brandon Smith. Finucane is only a risk for his age, not his qualities. There's not much on the market right now, particularly mid season, we can't be spooked into making purchases Bulldogs-style.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I believe having missed out on Pangai Junior, we have time now for Sheens to arrive (and Kimmorely) together with Hartigan to plan for a raid on the next Turbo or Haas. It is the young juniors of this quality we need to recruit to move us up the ladder.