Tevita Pangai Junior

[hsvjones]

I believe having missed out on Pangai Junior, we have time now for Sheens to arrive (and Kimmorely) together with Hartigan to plan for a raid on the next Turbo or Haas. It is the young juniors of this quality we need to recruit to move us up the ladder.

This is the only way moving forward as we cannot attract quality players anyway.
Fingers crossed it works out but they also need good experienced players to help them along.

 

[Needaname]

Ok here’s what we do with our 6% cap money not spent.
Pay forward our big contract deals for next year and add possibly Tualagi or Cooper or Pauga into the 30.
‘Not MBye’
We then effectively have a cap of 106% next year.
Search for a leader in each position we need and sign them up.
Sironen bring him home 450k should do it.
Finucane give him the house for 2+1 years. 750k should do it.
Get an experienced back utility in the form of Hymel Hunt Justin O-Neil. $250k should do it.

Now before anyone says we are paying overs. Think about the relativity of it. Paying more of our big contracts this year means that although it seems like we will be paying too much for some of the above we will effectively have the extra room to make it possible.
By the following year MBye would be finishing up and Brooks and a couple of others will be coming to contract renewals so we are in a better position to either let them go or renew their contracts to a fairer rate.
But next year is key. If we can add 3 senior players some top of their position others as back up’s we should have the right balance for this talented core of juniors and young recruited rookies to develop into a powerhouse.

Yes to most of this, no to Sironen.

Whilst I agree. It’s between him, Tariq Sims or Fitzgibbon as far as experienced backrowers go.
Fitz and Sironen could cost similar but Sims would be inflated and his a bit like TPJ if you ask me.
Other then that the Cupboard is rather bare.

 

[Telltails]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

When the manager says we need to come up with 700k - those doubts become more critical.
You don't add a player to strengthen your squad who gets paid more and doesn't deliver - we of all clubs know how that ends up.
If TPJ is going to get more than any other forward he packs down with then you need the assurance that he will deliver.

Yes, he would have been a big gamble...he also may have been exactly what we needed IF he matured.

We have a young pack with no ball playing or grunt...he offered both.

700k cap space is a big risk for an IF. If TPJ thinks he is worth that then it shows where I is head space is at.

 

[hobbo1]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I reckon the Dogs finish further up the table than we do in 2022 .....based on current recruitment

It's not the Tigers that the Dogs have to displace in the finals.

It won’t be long before that’s the case though

 

[weststigerman]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I reckon the Dogs finish further up the table than we do in 2022 .....based on current recruitment

Penrith weren't able to beat us with Burton, and you think Bulldogs will? Watch JAC get starved for ball the same way as Cotric this year.

 

[CCTW]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

 

[jirskyr]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

 

[hsvjones]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Thanks for the update.
Do you see us targeting Dale Finucane more now ?

 

[ElleryHanley]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Thanks for the update.

Brandon Smith will likely be able to get whatever price he wants from the new QLD team soon enough, so maybe that is why the Dogs are giving up on him. Fairly sure his family are all up there also?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

Therefore the answer is in the low risk or big risk scenarios and we move on.

 

[SeanT]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

I heard cotric was on 650k a year. But yeah there cap is getting out of whack again. No hooker or front rowers signed. Stupid.

 

[CCTW]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

I heard cotric was on 650k a year. But yeah there cap is getting out of whack again. No hooker or front rowers signed. Stupid.

Believe its 550k this year and 600k the next two after that, but not 100% certain on that one.

Also would not rule out TPJ ending up at the Dragons, especially if the Dragons can get the Broncos to pay a larger portion of his salary.

 

[851]

Paying overs for players is not and never has been good policy but it it is what we have repeatedly done in the past for zero results.Buying TPJ or Finucane at inflated prices will do nothing to change that.Caveat Emptor

Souths did this with Asotasi, it changed the whole perception of the club, and lead to other high profile players joining.
Problem is, we do it with the wrong players, if we had landed Latrell or JAC, others would follow.
Packer, Reynolds and Mbye won't and haven't attracted other players

 

[Cairnstigers]

What's the good news today

We don’t play tonight

We r the last game on sunday though...ugh

Well I have all night and weekend to get drunk then
That way I will be to smashed to give a dam

 

[BZN]

Hopefully sheens said no.

I’m actually happy about this decision.

People are really overestimating the scope of Sheens' power.

It’s a bit weird they were all in with pangi then ?

See the thing is you don't know any of that, there are literally millions of possibilities of what could be going on and you come up with the one that fits what you want to happen.

:+1: :man-bowing: :man-bowing: :man-bowing:

 

[tony soprano]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Who cares.

 

[BZN]

Hopefully sheens said no.

I’m actually happy about this decision.

People are really overestimating the scope of Sheens' power.

It’s a bit weird they were all in with pangi then ?

See the thing is you don't know any of that, there are literally millions of possibilities of what could be going on and you come up with the one that fits what you want to happen.

Well the plan trip definitely happened unless they were fishing with Pascoe dad

Or went up to see Isaako as they were looking at wingers at the time and actually signed one a couple of weeks later. So you can't be sure that the trip had anything to do with TPJ, you are just jumping to conclusions that fit your narrative.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :bow:
Thank goodness we finally have someone on here that sees and understands the way things are ...or for that matter...aren't.

 

[jrtiger]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

any word on who we're after in light of recent events?

 

[happy_tiger]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

I guess the question is TPA's ....they might be able to raise a few .......