Tevita Pangai Junior

[cochise]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.


I think is should be, "You are not a first grader until you have won 50 games"

Sheens used to say that about the 2005 crew all the time.

Do you know who’s idea it was at the club to bring sheens back it’s quite innovative for them IMO

I believe it was Pascoe.

 

[hank37w]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

Was about to post something along the same lines.

If that clown has a legit TPA that is still current, shouldn't it go with him regardles of which club he plays for?

If that is the case, it just shows up what a rort the TPA's,
golf tournaments and brown paper bags are.

No not in all cases, maybe the deal is reliant on him being in Brisbane to service a Brisbane based client.

You could very well be correct, however, I would be pretty certain that most of the TPA's are strongly reliant on that player being at that particular club and are used as an inducement to sign on or stay at that particular club.

I doubt very much that they are all "at arms length" and don't have some sort of relation to that particular club.

I probably have not worded it the best, but I think most people will get the gist of what I am trying to say.

 

[hank37w]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

Harry still puts money into the club every year.

He could buy Tigers 100 times over and still be one of the richest around, it would be chump change to him.

I wish he would buy it tbh.

Not at his age, what happens when he passes and his family have no interest in the club?

He can leave it to me

Then throw it on red or black .....

# 36.

Maximize your return.

 

[cochise]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

Was about to post something along the same lines.

If that clown has a legit TPA that is still current, shouldn't it go with him regardles of which club he plays for?

If that is the case, it just shows up what a rort the TPA's,
golf tournaments and brown paper bags are.

No not in all cases, maybe the deal is reliant on him being in Brisbane to service a Brisbane based client.

You could very well be correct, however, I would be pretty certain that most of the TPA's are strongly reliant on that player being at that particular club and are used as an inducement to sign on or stay at that particular club.

I doubt very much that they are all "at arms length" and don't have some sort of relation to that particular club.

I probably have not worded it the best, but I think most people will get the gist of what I am trying to say.

Honestly I don't think we should be chasing away people and companies that want to inject money into our game, even if that is a guy throwing a sponsorship at a player that plays for his favourite club. If we chase that money away some of it will make its way to other sports and we are in too competitive market to do that.

 

[hank37w]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

Was about to post something along the same lines.

If that clown has a legit TPA that is still current, shouldn't it go with him regardles of which club he plays for?

If that is the case, it just shows up what a rort the TPA's,
golf tournaments and brown paper bags are.

No not in all cases, maybe the deal is reliant on him being in Brisbane to service a Brisbane based client.

You could very well be correct, however, I would be pretty certain that most of the TPA's are strongly reliant on that player being at that particular club and are used as an inducement to sign on or stay at that particular club.

I doubt very much that they are all "at arms length" and don't have some sort of relation to that particular club.

I probably have not worded it the best, but I think most people will get the gist of what I am trying to say.

Honestly I don't think we should be chasing away people and companies that want to inject money into our game, even if that is a guy throwing a sponsorship at a player that plays for his favourite club. If we chase that money away some of it will make its way to other sports and we are in too competitive market to do that.

Don't want to chase anyone away, just pointing out the stupidity of the current TPA rules and the relatively low level they are set at for each club.

I think that only encourages rorting because it can only benefit a relatively small number of players or be a relatively small sum for a larger number of players in its current format.

 

[Cairnstigers]

A simple way to tidy up the whole TPA thing is to count ALL TPA’s as part of the cap UNLESS the TPA is not aligned to a player’s club (Meaning it follows the player wherever they go).

It would quickly separate legitimate TPA’S from cap rorting TPAs

I don't think you can do that, I don't think it is fair to limit a player earning from their image.

If they are earning from their image alone, then it should be transferable (And excluded from the cap). If they are earning because of their club association, then it should be part of the salary cap.

Not always mate, as I said earlier, why would a Brisbane company want to sponsor a Sydney based player? It is not about the club is about access to the player.

So who is Pangai receiving 3rd party payments from anyway
Is it widely known because I don't know and I live in Qld
And don't look it up to find out and spoil it
I would like to know if anyone actually knows
Does anyone know who or which company it is
So if no one knows who the company is, then what difference does it make where he goes if the company in question is not using his image to generate income

 

[twentyforty]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish

Is Finucane a big fish?

 

[happy_tiger]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

Dunno ...how many fish do you need to have a school of fish

 

[twentyforty]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

Dunno ...how many fish do you need to have a school of fish

I see where you’re going with this and I don’t disagree. If only we could somehow get a small school? Say 5 or 6? It could influence the other little fish to swim in the same direction.

 

[Cairnstigers]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

Dunno ...how many fish do you need to have a school of fish

We have a school of fish
They are just all Flounder

 

[cochise]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

Dunno ...how many fish do you need to have a school of fish

We have a school of fish
They are just all Flounder

Our fish are off.

 

[tiger05premier]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

 

[Harvey]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

It's in the genes. Him & Mbye defending near each other is a recipe for disaster.

"Yours"

 

[Demps]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

How can a career first grader be so unfit ?
Ohh he needs to play less minutes.
~
There's something about the Leilua family... I think it's... they aren't athletes and they aren't up to it.

 

[rustycage]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

I guess if he was in fact a fish, he'd be a reasonably big one. :fish:

 

[Cairnstigers]

We withdrew our offer.

Did we make an official statement?

The Club Didnt make an official statement saying we Made the Player and Offer and therefore shouldnt make and follow up.

This was all media reporting.

**I respect the way the Tigers stance on this matter however were gonna need to land a big fish soon...**

I don't think a big fish is our way out of this mess.

both agree and disagree. Juniors is our actual way out but unless we also get a big fish who can convince other players that were a good club any talented juniors we develop will leave as they start to excel and we will remain stuck in a rut.

I think we are extremely unlikely to get the big fish


Is Finucane a big fish?

I guess if he was in fact a fish, he'd be a reasonably big one. :fish:

A King Fish?

 

[tiger05premier]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

How can a career first grader be so unfit ?
Ohh he needs to play less minutes.
~
There's something about the Leilua family... I think it's... they aren't athletes and they aren't up to it.

Our backrow needs a complete overhaul

Our front row tries hard and are probably great leaders at training as they seem really dedicated but have little impact on the field

Our young bench looks strong and pretty much stayed on the whole game once they came on

Don't think Twal and Tamou came back on?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

How can a career first grader be so unfit ?
Ohh he needs to play less minutes.
~
There's something about the Leilua family... I think it's... they aren't athletes and they aren't up to it.

he needs to be a bench player

 

[Demps]

Can we cancel LL contract and use that money to sign this guy?

LL is as lame as lame gets

Pretty much useless

Maybe he could join the media he can certainly talk the talk


But walk the walk?

Not a chance in hell

How can a career first grader be so unfit ?
Ohh he needs to play less minutes.
~
There's something about the Leilua family... I think it's... they aren't athletes and they aren't up to it.

he needs to be a bench player

I've seen that mentioned a fair bit...
I'd like to see it happen but I'm still not sure it's the answer.

I think he's shown some brilliance but overall he isn't fit or smart enough.

 

[Tiger5150]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. ***Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.***

Why? If TPJ is paid $20K by Dodgy Bros Motors to turn up to the dealership on his days off to run a sausage sizzle, how is he going to do that from NSW?