That's not my signature - Titans sprung over James Roberts contract forgery

[diedpretty]

Because a club can pay a player what their NRL market value is but also arrange for them to be paid more outside the cap via TPAs.

In Roberts's case, if he was worth say $500,000, he might get say $50,000 in TPAs at the Tigers or $300,000 in TPAs in addition to his $500,000 at the Roosters or Broncos. In this way, clubs that can attract hefty TPAs for players have a massive advantage in attracting the players they want.

This is where the NRL is failing badly - it is quite obvious that clubs are arranging the TPAs and that they are using TPAs to entice players to play with them. Both of these things are breaking the rules. The NRL just buries its head in the sand and allows these rorts to happen because it is too hard to prove and too hard to police.

 

[stevetiger]

Because a club can pay a player what their NRL market value is but also arrange for them to be paid more outside the cap via TPAs.

In Roberts's case, if he was worth say $500,000, he might get say $50,000 in TPAs at the Tigers or $300,000 in TPAs in addition to his $500,000 at the Roosters or Broncos. In this way, clubs that can attract hefty TPAs for players have a massive advantage in attracting the players they want.

This is where the NRL is failing badly - it is quite obvious that clubs are arranging the TPAs and that they are using TPAs to entice players to play with them. Both of these things are breaking the rules. The NRL just buries its head in the sand and allows these rorts to happen because it is too hard to prove and too hard to police.

Its easy to police. If we offered Roberts fir instance $600k and the goes to the Broncos on $500k they have to register the contract for $600k.

If the Broncos top him up with another $200k and in doing so actually pay him $700k then that is up to them so long as they register him for the $600k figure.

 

[happy_tiger]

Because a club can pay a player what their NRL market value is but also arrange for them to be paid more outside the cap via TPAs.

In Roberts's case, if he was worth say $500,000, he might get say $50,000 in TPAs at the Tigers or $300,000 in TPAs in addition to his $500,000 at the Roosters or Broncos. In this way, clubs that can attract hefty TPAs for players have a massive advantage in attracting the players they want.

This is where the NRL is failing badly - it is quite obvious that clubs are arranging the TPAs and that they are using TPAs to entice players to play with them. Both of these things are breaking the rules. The NRL just buries its head in the sand and allows these rorts to happen because it is too hard to prove and too hard to police.

Its easy to police. If we offered Roberts fir instance $600k and the goes to the Broncos on $500k they have to register the contract for $600k.

If the Broncos top him up with another $200k and in doing so actually pay him $700k then that is up to them so long as they register him for the $600k figure.

They are talking about who arranges the TPA's Steve

A player manager is supposed to source the TPA's , but clubs are lining the TPA's for the players and player managers

Very hard to police , only the way would be for the NRL to approve the TPA before it even goes to contract talks

But it would be a massive , extremely costly job to do

 

[Tiger_Watto]

How do you register a TPA before contract talks?

They can't be looked at as being available to anyone for a number of reasons, and depending on the player, the value will vary.

I still believe the only way the NRL can control this is by moving away from dollar value salary caps to points caps. This way the NRL can set a points value for each player each year and clubs can only have X amount of points within there cap upon signing?

 

[happy_tiger]

How do you register a TPA before contract talks?

They can't be looked at as being available to anyone for a number of reasons, and depending on the player, the value will vary.

I still believe the only way the NRL can control this is by moving away from dollar value salary caps to points caps. This way the NRL can set a points value for each player each year and clubs can only have X amount of points within there cap upon signing?

It would be approved Watto , not registered

Checked out so to speak

Negotiations could still continue

 

[bigsiro]

Because a club can pay a player what their NRL market value is but also arrange for them to be paid more outside the cap via TPAs.

In Roberts's case, if he was worth say $500,000, he might get say $50,000 in TPAs at the Tigers or $300,000 in TPAs in addition to his $500,000 at the Roosters or Broncos. In this way, clubs that can attract hefty TPAs for players have a massive advantage in attracting the players they want.

This is where the NRL is failing badly - it is quite obvious that clubs are arranging the TPAs and that they are using TPAs to entice players to play with them. Both of these things are breaking the rules. The NRL just buries its head in the sand and allows these rorts to happen because it is too hard to prove and too hard to police.

All true.

If the TPA is truly at arm's length then the NRL could enforce some basics to uphold the notion that they are truly "third party" contracts, e.g. at the very least the agreement should stipulate that the player need not play for any particular club and that the TPA's contractual period should never replicate the same contractual period as signed by the player to the club.

The NRL are obviously aware of the TPA "circumventions" and I don't believe that they bury their head in the sand but rather are unscrupulous in their hypocrisy. How else can we explain how every few years the NRL dish out fines to clubs for breaching the cap? Are they for real? Note that those clubs fined are never Roosters, Broncos etc…. This whole charade makes a mockery of the game and removes the facade that the NRL wants an even playing field.

Clearly, through creative accounting every club could keep their whole cap at $0 and pay everyone only through TPA's. It's ridiculous and it's a sham. Much like the job of the NRL Salary Cap Auditor.

But, the fact that the system is flawed, abused and detrimental to the competition is old news. So while I hate the system, what I hate more is that the Tigers can't get their own act together and exploit the TPA's like the others do.