The anticipation of a great 2017 season...

[TCL]

Getting 50 and 40 put on us when we had our season on the line left a real downer for me.

You don't do that if you are fully intune with the coach and the place is heaving with confidence and motivation.

I am not saying Taylor is a dud, however the jury is still out.

We had 3 Origin players, and some good young talent.

I thought we finished around where I would expect the squad to finish. We need to make the 8 this year there can't be any excuses. We have lots of players at the right age and with over 50 games where they should be able to take their games to the next level.

I don't expect us to challenge for Top 4 or win a comp but finals is a minimum requirement really unless their are significant injuries.

We didn't have 3 SOO players when we had it handed to us Eddie in the games you mentioned

But you are correct , the jury is out

No Top 8 and Taylor will be a goner

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (given his reputation). Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

 

[supercoach]

IMO people are being dislusional if they really think anyone else would have had more success than Taylor. Iam not saying Taylor is the next super coach, but like anyone else who would have had the gig over the past few years he has had one hand tied behind his back and one leg in a rabbit trap.

The likes of Bellyache,Bennett,Hasler would never had taken the gig on with so many handicaps attached. I say give Taylor a break and give him 2017, if than he fails and don't forget he still has a hand tied behind his back, than sure flick him.

Let's face are we hearing crys for Robinson head at the Chooks because he failed to deliver with a budget ten times more than Taylor.

Robinson has a premiership and two minor premierships, Taylor has…. ummm... still thinking..

Yeh with a war chest you could put the harbour bridge in,TPa's coming out his nose and uncle Nick who runs the NRL. I am sure if Taylor was given the keys to the Chooks he would have achieved similar results

 

[supercoach]

Getting 50 and 40 put on us when we had our season on the line left a real downer for me.

You don't do that if you are fully intune with the coach and the place is heaving with confidence and motivation.

I am not saying Taylor is a dud, however the jury is still out.

We had 3 Origin players, and some good young talent.

I thought we finished around where I would expect the squad to finish. We need to make the 8 this year there can't be any excuses. We have lots of players at the right age and with over 50 games where they should be able to take their games to the next level.

I don't expect us to challenge for Top 4 or win a comp but finals is a minimum requirement really unless their are significant injuries.

I know those couple of floggings took the wind out of a lot of supporters sails, but probably as far as 2017 season goes it is a good thing because it highlights to everyone within the club and outside the club that there is a massive amount of work to do to match it with the big guys. We showed throughout the year we can match it with best one week and are cream puffs the next. If we had finished 9th but had narrowly lost those two games we might have gone into 2017 with false expectations

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The naysayers are always quick to point out the Raiders game, yet overlook the Cowboys game. Not saying the Raiders game wasn't a kick in the guts, but at least try and be balanced in your argument. There were some promising signs in the run home despite the negatives.

 

[Buffalo]

IMO people are being dislusional if they really think anyone else would have had more success than Taylor. Iam not saying Taylor is the next super coach, but like anyone else who would have had the gig over the past few years he has had one hand tied behind his back and one leg in a rabbit trap.

The likes of Bellyache,Bennett,Hasler would never had taken the gig on with so many handicaps attached. I say give Taylor a break and give him 2017, if than he fails and don't forget he still has a hand tied behind his back, than sure flick him.

Let's face are we hearing crys for Robinson head at the Chooks because he failed to deliver with a budget ten times more than Taylor.

Absolutely 100% rational comment. He is a better coach than some would give him credit for.

 

[supercoach]

IMO people are being dislusional if they really think anyone else would have had more success than Taylor. Iam not saying Taylor is the next super coach, but like anyone else who would have had the gig over the past few years he has had one hand tied behind his back and one leg in a rabbit trap.

The likes of Bellyache,Bennett,Hasler would never had taken the gig on with so many handicaps attached. I say give Taylor a break and give him 2017, if than he fails and don't forget he still has a hand tied behind his back, than sure flick him.

Let's face are we hearing crys for Robinson head at the Chooks because he failed to deliver with a budget ten times more than Taylor.

I swear sometimes that you and I are the only voices of reason on this Forum SC

I could include Geo but his 42 voices of reason are constantly in his head :crazy

Mate I can understand everyones frustrations and the old saying the buck stops with the coach and back in the Sheens era I was one of the most vocal calling for his head probably from 2007 till his eventual demise.

In saying the above I am also a realist, and I just can't imagine anyone else who would take the job on doing any better. Yes Bellyache would probably have done better, but he knocked us back when he was a nobody and certainly would not come near our front gate without being paid double the odds and we just do not have that sort of money.

Salary cap issues, lack of TPA's and the ability to attract quality players are just a few handicaps that Taylor has had to deal with. From where I sit going from tied last to 9th last year was a good effort. I also think what he has done with the S&C department has been brilliant.

Anyway I really hope he succeeds, but if he doesn't and with any coach thats a real possibility than move him on and start a fresh in 2018

 

[GNR4LIFE]

IMO people are being dislusional if they really think anyone else would have had more success than Taylor. Iam not saying Taylor is the next super coach, but like anyone else who would have had the gig over the past few years he has had one hand tied behind his back and one leg in a rabbit trap.

The likes of Bellyache,Bennett,Hasler would never had taken the gig on with so many handicaps attached. I say give Taylor a break and give him 2017, if than he fails and don't forget he still has a hand tied behind his back, than sure flick him.

Let's face are we hearing crys for Robinson head at the Chooks because he failed to deliver with a budget ten times more than Taylor.

Absolutely 100% rational comment. He is a better coach than some would give him credit for.

You would think he's Arthur Kitinas the way people talk about him. He's not a supercoach by any means, no one at all argues that he is on par with Bennett or Bellamy, but to give him absolutely zero credit for the progress the club made in 2016 and focus solely on the negatives isn't being objective at all.

 

[gallagher]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

 

[TCL]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

 

[cqtiger]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

TCL you are just being subjective towards JT. You quote reputation but I don't know too many people at the Tigers who have said anything negative about him The only one I can think of is that new Rabbitoh's player.

All the assistant coaches, the high performance management and conditioning team, the CEO, the chair have openly supported JT. All the players seem to support JT. They do honestly look to quite happy going by everything I've seen.

That's from an outsider looking in. No agenda. No axe to grind.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'd like to hear Paws completely unbiased opinion before proceeding with character endorsement/assassination.

 

[supercoach]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

The word I have been told is Tedesco is a big Taylor fan and Woods would get on with anyone he is so laid back. As for Brooks and Moses, I was told things were frosty at the start but they both were firmly in Taylors camp by the end of the season. This was passed on to me by a back office staff member, he also said basically the top 20 players are all happy campers and like at any other club their are a couple on the fringe of the top group who aint happy because they have been over looked.

Like any other leak you get you can take with a grain of salt, but its sounds like a happy group to me..

 

[851]

I hate the coach, don't rate him at all, want him gone yesterday, and it has nothing to do with Farah at all, so supporting souths is not on my radar.
And I have probably supported wests and weststigers longer than you have been alive(46 years) so you can take a hike.

Well written. I've supported the club far longer than JT has been coach. JT has always been a divisive figure and should have been punted.

Besides being divisive, he is a hypocrite, he as a coach has a huge problem with players who do what he did when he was a player.

So what did Taylor do as a player ??

You've lost me 851…... not sure what you mean ??

Question the coach's team selections and tactics, get into all sorts of mischief away from the club, JT clashed with god knows how many people from the moment he reached the Winfield cup, he takes a set against any player who does these things, all the while knowing he did these same things throughout his career.
I have never liked the bloke, and in my opinion he is out of his depth as a head coach, his ceiling is assistant coach, but I don't want to take over this thread with my view on him.

 

[wonka]

The naysayers are always quick to point out the Raiders game, yet overlook the Cowboys game. Not saying the Raiders game wasn't a kick in the guts, but at least try and be balanced in your argument. There were some promising signs in the run home despite the negatives.

we also overlook the Panthers game another hiding.

 

[TCL]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

TCL you are just being subjective towards JT. You quote reputation but I don't know too many people at the Tigers who have said anything negative about him The only one I can think of is that new Rabbitoh's player.

All the assistant coaches, the high performance management and conditioning team, the CEO, the chair have openly supported JT. All the players seem to support JT. They do honestly look to quite happy going by everything I've seen.

That's from an outsider looking in. No agenda. No axe to grind.

I am not being subjective, I don't know the guy. I am actually being objective based on his performance and my assessment of it. I don't have any emotion attached.

Ive said before, i am happy for JT to be our long term coach if he can do it for us and i agree that it appears as though he has the support of the team and those around him, which is great because we have missed that unity for awhile. But you never hear to many people speaking negative about their current boss.

I for one enjoyed the finish to last year it was the best we have had in a while and I've said he deserves credit for that but last years table placing put a gloss on his tenure and thats what concerns me.

I dont have an axe to grind with JT, Im looking at his performance from the time he arrived not just how and where last season ended. In two years our defence hasn't improved and we are not playing sustainable football, this year we have a new strategy and thats great. Lets see how the coming season unfolds is what I'm saying. I certainly don't want our team to lose just so JT looks bad!

In terms of attracting other players you cannot deny that in the greater NRL community he is not popular and I would say that if a survey was taken among players "which current NRL coach they would least like to play for?" he would rate up there as one of the least preferred and thats what I'm referring to when talking about attracting players.

It seems some on the forum expect you to either love or hate JT. I don't have any of those emotions for him or for any coach past or future, i do for our players cause their the ones that put the genuine smiles or frowns on our faces but again my opinions are not about them personally its always about their performance on the field. If they do something stupid off field then thats a different conversation.

 

[851]

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

TCL you are just being subjective towards JT. You quote reputation but I don't know too many people at the Tigers who have said anything negative about him The only one I can think of is that new Rabbitoh's player.

All the assistant coaches, the high performance management and conditioning team, the CEO, the chair have openly supported JT. All the players seem to support JT. They do honestly look to quite happy going by everything I've seen.

That's from an outsider looking in. No agenda. No axe to grind.

I am not being subjective, I don't know the guy. I am actually being objective based on his performance and my assessment of it. I don't have any emotion attached.

Ive said before, i am happy for JT to be our long term coach if he can do it for us and i agree that it appears as though he has the support of the team and those around him, which is great because we have missed that unity for awhile. But you never hear to many people speaking negative about their current boss.

I for one enjoyed the finish to last year it was the best we have had in a while and I've said he deserves credit for that but last years table placing put a gloss on his tenure and thats what concerns me.

I dont have an axe to grind with JT, Im looking at his performance from the time he arrived not just how and where last season ended. In two years our defence hasn't improved and we are not playing sustainable football, this year we have a new strategy and thats great. Lets see how the coming season unfolds is what I'm saying. I certainly don't want our team to lose just so JT looks bad!

In terms of attracting other players you cannot deny that in the greater NRL community he is not popular and I would say that if a survey was taken among players "which current NRL coach they would least like to play for?" he would rate up there as one of the least preferred and thats what I'm referring to when talking about attracting players.

It seems some on the forum expect you to either love or hate JT. I don't have any of those emotions for him or for any coach past or future, i do for our players cause their the ones that put the genuine smiles or frowns on our faces but again my opinions are not about them personally its always about their performance on the field. If they do something stupid off field then thats a different conversation.

You make some very good points, and I agree with almost everything you say, and also share your concerns about attracting players of decent quality while he is our coach.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

TCL you are just being subjective towards JT. You quote reputation but I don't know too many people at the Tigers who have said anything negative about him The only one I can think of is that new Rabbitoh's player.

All the assistant coaches, the high performance management and conditioning team, the CEO, the chair have openly supported JT. All the players seem to support JT. They do honestly look to quite happy going by everything I've seen.

That's from an outsider looking in. No agenda. No axe to grind.

I am not being subjective, I don't know the guy. I am actually being objective based on his performance and my assessment of it. I don't have any emotion attached.

Ive said before, i am happy for JT to be our long term coach if he can do it for us and i agree that it appears as though he has the support of the team and those around him, which is great because we have missed that unity for awhile. But you never hear to many people speaking negative about their current boss.

I for one enjoyed the finish to last year it was the best we have had in a while and I've said he deserves credit for that but last years table placing put a gloss on his tenure and thats what concerns me.

I dont have an axe to grind with JT, Im looking at his performance from the time he arrived not just how and where last season ended. In two years our defence hasn't improved and we are not playing sustainable football, this year we have a new strategy and thats great. Lets see how the coming season unfolds is what I'm saying. I certainly don't want our team to lose just so JT looks bad!

In terms of attracting other players you cannot deny that in the greater NRL community he is not popular and I would say that if a survey was taken among players "which current NRL coach they would least like to play for?" he would rate up there as one of the least preferred and thats what I'm referring to when talking about attracting players.

It seems some on the forum expect you to either love or hate JT. I don't have any of those emotions for him or for any coach past or future, i do for our players cause their the ones that put the genuine smiles or frowns on our faces but again my opinions are not about them personally its always about their performance on the field. If they do something stupid off field then thats a different conversation.

You make some very good points, and I agree with almost everything you say, and also share your concerns about attracting players of decent quality while he is our coach.

Why, we haven't had any trouble retaining anyone.

 

[gallagher]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

Outside of Farah and some fans on here i havn't heard those things said about him at all. That's why i was curious to hear your thoughts on his reputation.
But its his success as a coach that will attract or repel players to him, none of that other rubbish.

 

[sideline_eye]

851, you say that JT takes a set against players doing the same things he did as a player and you are probably right but doesn't that show that he has matured and is trying to steer young players away from repeating his own earlier mistakes?

 

[supercoach]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better