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Bali Nine: Joko Widodo rules out 'relief' for death row inmates Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran

Updated about 2 hours agoWed 28 Jan 2015, 8:25am
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Indonesian president Joko Widodo has declared he will not be pressured to issue a last-minute reprieve for two Bali Nine drug traffickers on death row.

Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran are due to be executed after appeals for clemency were rejected.

Indonesian lawyers were hoping for a judicial review but Mr Widodo has told CNN nothing would change his hardline stance against drug dealers.

"Imagine every day we have 50 people die because of narcotics, in one year it's 18,000 people because of narcotics," he said.

"We are not going to compromise for drug dealers. No compromise, no compromise.

"The decision of death penalty is on the court. But they can ask for amnesty to the president but I tell you there will be no amnesty for drug dealers."

Mr Widodo was asked: "So no relief for the Australians?"

He responded by shaking his head.
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In April 2005, Chan and Sukumaran, with seven others, tried to smuggle 8.3 kilograms of heroin out of Bali but were intercepted by Indonesian police.

Technically the men have exhausted their legal avenues for appeal and have already had one judicial review at the Supreme Court level.

However, lawyers for the men are making a last-ditch attempt for judicial review of the decision which could see them before the firing squad in a matter of days or weeks.

The six people put to death in Indonesia on January 18 were denied clemency just a month earlier and given three days' notice of their execution. ABC Net
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I'm sure they're counting the days. It's a bit too barbaric i think. this is a case of pure stupidity - does stupidity warrant such a harsh penalty.
 
The Bali 9 deserve what they are getting

But what annoys me is a leader of a group that had hundreds of tourists and locals killed during the Bali Bombings is treated like a hero by police and gets three years jail

I won't be going to Bali anytime soon again
 
Terrorists who killed 92 Australians in the bombings walk free after serving minimum terms….these guys made an error of judgement and are condemned to death....

No wonder I will not travel to Indonesia and boost their economy,my money would pay for the bullets these barbaric clowns with different standards can kill others with...

Just my opinion and Im sticking with it.. :exclamation:
 
@happy tiger said:
The Bali 9 deserve what they are getting

But what annoys me is a leader of a group that had hundreds of tourists and locals killed during the Bali Bombings is treated like a hero by police and gets three years jail

I won't be going to Bali anytime soon again

Happy - you ever been to Bali?
 
It's tough.

One one hand we want tourists, immigrants, and refugees to respect our laws here, which may in turn look ludicrous to other cultures, yet get up in arms over other countries laying down the letter of their law.

On the other hand, death is an extremely severe penalty which IMHO should be avoided at all costs.

As much as I disagree with killing people in such a way, they did break laws in a country they knew had extremely severe repercussions for said breaks, and should face that countries laws, irrespective of their own nationality.

This is why you need to choose carefully, and do your research thoroughly when visiting/moving to other countries.
 
this happened 10 years ago - they were kids.
I'm sure they are different people today.
Pure stupidity - that's it.
Why can't they be endorsed as ambassadors to the world in drug smuggling prevention working out of Jakarta and doing something productive. Make use of their lives to help serve Indonesia and the world.
I'm sure that they'd both be open to that lifetime punishment.
So in the end - what will be more productive to society, you and me - their lives or their deaths.
 
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Veteran broadcaster Derryn Hinch has accused Australian celebrities of hypocrisy after appearing in an online video that called for mercy for two Bali Nine members on death row.

The big-name Australians who appeared in the video include actors David Wenham, Richard Roxbugh, Asher Keddie and Bryan Brown, as well as political commentators Alan Jones and Germaine Greer and musician Missy Higgins.

The celebrities all recite, "I stand for mercy" while some text accompanying the video proclaims that the inmates, Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, should not have to pay with their lives for making stupid choices.

Hinch was unmoved, saying on his website that Australians who risk smuggling drugs into or out of Indonesia knew they risked the death penalty.

He also questioned why the Australian celebrities who appeared in the video did not stand for mercy when Indonesia recently executed six non-Australian prisoners or even when it executed the Bali bombers.

"If you're going to say 'I stand for mercy', stand for mercy for everybody. If you're against the death penalty, be against it for everybody," he said.

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Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/01/28/04/37/derryn-hinch-claims-celebrities-in-bali-nine-mercy-campaign-video-are-hypocrites#mUI5yVcd40CTm8T5.99
 
How many deaths was that 8.3kg of drugs going to cause if it got here?

No sympathy. They gambled with their lives and they've lost. The only people I feel sorry for are their families.
 
Indonesia , Thailand corrupt bastards they are . They make me sick to the core .

Terrorists that blasted the nightclubs are walking free Today and Murdered how many of our Australians ?
These young Men at the time made a very stupid mistake which was inspired by $$$$$ have to pay for there lives ? C'mon guys …..
I'm all for Capital Punishment for the right crime . If these 2 Men Raped and Killed one of there Balinese Girls in Bali and there Laws is Death by firing Squad fits that Punishment , then so be it . But these guys did a very Stupid mistake .
Let me tell you those Corrupt bastards of a Policeman in Bali asked for an amount of money of Schapelle Corby and she would of been Free from the beginning . They are corrupt to the bone .

At work that is the only place they all Holiday ? You know WHY? cause it's a Ceap rotten place , Thailand , Bali .
Wouldn't touch the place if you gave me a free ticket and Accommodation paid for , can't stand the joint .
I've had mates come back home from surfing trips and have arrived very SICK (Severe case of Diarrhea, Gastro) , from there Water , Food . They reckon you get hassled all the time to buy crap from there shop and get massaged by sluts and Trany's
CHEAP CHEAP , LOVE YOU LONG TIME .
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
if it were your kids - would you feel sympathy then

Of course you would.
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But this is why emotion needs to be separated from any form of Law making, and punishment.

I won't go too much more into it, as I could create a whole new thread on the argument, but in a nutshell I think justice needs to be without emotion - irrespective of the natures of the crimes involved.
 
@underdog said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
if it were your kids - would you feel sympathy then

Of course you would.
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But this is why emotion needs to be separated from any form of Law making, and punishment.

I won't go too much more into it, as I could create a whole new thread on the argument, but in a nutshell I think justice needs to be without emotion - irrespective of the natures of the crimes involved.

Just release your inner thoughts mate ? I'm going to be crucified for my way of thinking ?
But it's how i feel on the situation , some will agree and some will think i'm a Wanker .
So be it .
 
@simonthetiger said:
Best not to…going on the genes they'd get I reckon they would be wan.kers.

We have enough already....were full.

IIRC correctly you didn't have a problem with cans being thrown at people on the hill at Leichhardt, so taking that into account you'd know what it takes to be a gold medal spanner.

"Takes one to know one," as they say.
 
FT,I said earlier that I wouldnt travel to Indonesia and donate my money to these corrupt dirty p…ks..

If they lifted their standards within their own country you wouldnt have the crap going on there..the Polititians and cops are the worst and the people living there get SFA..it goes to show you how bad it is,terrorist murderers can go free after a short term in gaol..some drug dealing for some money with no deaths gets you the firing squad..They can take the hard line and show us just how backward and barbaric the country is....should I help them out with donations for humanitarian reasons,HELL NO let their dirty corrupt pollies help them out....
 
It sucks TT, but their country, their rules. We're forever sulking here that people should adapt to our laws, customs etc and then expect other countries to bend to our laws when our citizens get caught.

They knew the risks, they got busted and they will pay in accordance with Indonesian law… Whether you think that is appropriate or not is irrelevant.

P.S. We're far from perfect. People have only got 4 years for killing people via a king hit, and one of our lovely footballers (granted he's Kiwi,) got 12 months for nearly stomping a man to death.
 
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