The LEICHHARDT Myth

[Glennb]

I worked out the 56% based on your win/loss figure. How you think it's a stunning victory rate is mind boggling.
My problem is we lose money playing there based over 19 seasons seasons of crowds. It, along with CSS is holding us back.
How do people not connect the dots of making a profit and becoming a successful club?

Yeah I know, I made the mistake of initially getting my "facts" from News. The 60% figure is correct, but its no biggie. You dont think that if we have a 50% greater chance of winning at one ground compared to the others that isnt stunning? You think its a coincidence?

We dont lose money playing at leichhardt. Break even is between 11-12K. We have a CONTRACT with ANZ, for the next 5 years and that is a fixed lump sum, so Leichhardt doesnt impact that either.

You know what makes a successful club, or any business? Engaging with customers/clients. Providing them with a memorable experience, something that is exciting and will bring them back. In this day and age its something that can be neatly and photogenically framed in a insta/face/twit/chat and gets eyes looking at it. Success is ultimately dependent on $$$ and in the current business environment that $$$$ income is PURELY built on marketing and that is measured coldly and clinically by numbers of "eyes". Yesterday delivers on almost every parameter (except competition points) with mainstream media converage of "return to Leichhardt" (with boring cliched monotony), social media everywhere, news reports. IT WAS TALKED ABOUT and spread all over all forms of the media. And again today when they discuss the opportunity lost that Leichhardt didnt deliver. That is how business and marketing works these days and Leichhardt ticks those boxes for Wests Tigers. Playing Titans at ANZ (or CSS unfortunately) in front of 9000people and its simply Titans defeated Tigers.

 

[gallagher]

Enjoy missing the 8 every year then Glenn.

 

[Oggy]

Titans a team we seems to always have issues with beating since 2007\. they are an impossible team to tip in any tipping comp too. forget about this myth we have trouble winning anywhere now.

 

[Glennb]

Enjoy missing the 8 every year then Glenn.

Im not yanking your chain Gallagher, having a good honest discussion. Can you please explain to me why an event like yesterday means the Tigers will miss the 8?

If we didnt have the two games so far at Leichhardt, there is probably approx 10K less people at the game and possibly between 500-2000 less members, disregarding even marketing/promotions, engagement and retention of traditional Balmain supporters etc. For this year purely losing Leichhardt would be a loss.

Can you explain your reasoning?

What happened in '05, '09, 10, 11?

 

[Oggy]

Enjoy missing the 8 every year then Glenn.

Im not yanking your chain Gallagher, having a good honest discussion. Can you please explain to me why an event like yesterday means the Tigers will miss the 8?

What happened in '05, '09, 10, 11?

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

 

[Glennb]

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[Glennb]

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

 

[Oggy]

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

Well it doesn't matter where we are playing it seems. raiders flogged us at our other home ground as well. I don't think a field with grass around it and a fence is making us play worse or better, certainly isn't making the refs favor us either

we always beat the cowboys and storm at Leigchardt it seems. that might be where the big myth is.

 

[gallagher]

Enjoy missing the 8 every year then Glenn.

Im not yanking your chain Gallagher, having a good honest discussion. Can you please explain to me why an event like yesterday means the Tigers will miss the 8?

What happened in '05, '09, 10, 11?

I am not saying anything is wrong with yesterdays event/crowd. I am saying those days come around every few years. We run at a loss playing at LO and CSS. We cant expect anything to change while we continue to lose money.

You say we would have got less at Homebush, but thats a guess. Since 2004 weve averaged 18k at Homebush and 12k at LO.
Do you think 3 home grounds in Sydney makes sense?

 

[gallagher]

Enjoy missing the 8 every year then Glenn.

Im not yanking your chain Gallagher, having a good honest discussion. Can you please explain to me why an event like yesterday means the Tigers will miss the 8?

What happened in '05, '09, 10, 11?

Is three finals appearances in 19 season good? Come off it.
I am not saying anything is wrong with yesterdays event/crowd. I am saying those days come around every few years. We run at a loss playing at LO and CSS. We cant expect anything to change while we continue to lose money.

You say we would have got less at Homebush, but thats a guess. Since 2004 weve averaged 18k at Homebush and 12k at LO.
Do you think 3 home grounds in Sydney makes sense?

 

[Russell]

There was 17K Tigers fans there to watch v the Titans. Go we get that many for that game at any other ground?

No.
They only go to L.O.
Non travellers

That's crap and you know it.

Gee… You really proved me wrong Russell.
We've had people on here admit they only attend one venue... Don't know why you cannot accept it

Your talking about 17,000 that were at Leichhardt not going to CSS - how do you know that?

However you state a few people on here don't go to CSS ????

I'll accept it if you can give me the evidence that the 17,000 yesterday won't go to CSS Ink.

 

[Oggy]

3 home games in Sydney 3 in outer Sydney too. and lets not forget the 5 different jerseys we have every year.

it's why our club just has no identity it doesn't know what it want's to be. I hate the white jerseys it makes us look nothing like Balmian or Wests. the whole idea of it was suppose to make us feel unique and a identity but it doesn't. there was nothing wrong with the all black or all orange.

call me crazy but I think wearing the all orange at LO and the black at CSS actually makes players perform better and more hyped up and shows more passion. I know it's a very mental and minor thing But I really think the jerseys make a difference

 

[hugh1954]

I caught 2 trains and a light rail to lilyfield yesterday and didnt get home until 10 pm but love the leichhardt experience the build up the people flocking in, the closeness to the player where you can call out to them and they can hear you and react to you just as robbie did before the game kicked off. That alone is worth it BUT travelled home flat as it was a very poor performance that quietened the crowd who were dying to react to an effort we all expected. Robbie made that break right in front of me, had no backup at all and in the end we were lucky to get a dummy half for him to play the ball, when you see these efforts it brings you down

 

[Geo]

Leichhardt is a fortress for the Titans. I think they've won three in a row there, though that may include Campbelltown.
There's no safe place anymore for a team on the downward spiral.

Last year Titans beat us at Campbelltown, almost exactly a year ago (23/6/17) Crowd 9000

Can we get the last 3 years..Id say win/losses would be fairly even at both suburban home grounds..

 

[Russell]

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

Well it doesn't matter where we are playing it seems. raiders flogged us at our other home ground as well. I don't think a field with grass around it and a fence is making us play worse or better, certainly isn't making the refs favor us either

we always beat the cowboys and storm at Leigchardt it seems. that might be where the big myth is.

The point is ….. there is no Myth.

Leichhardt is not a fortress, never has been.

Some idiot in the media said it I guess - and a few dopes picked up on it.

In my 68 years of going there no one I know has ever called it a fortress.

 

[Glennb]

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

Well it doesn't matter where we are playing it seems. raiders flogged us at our other home ground as well. I don't think a field with grass around it and a fence is making us play worse or better, certainly isn't making the refs favor us either

we always beat the cowboys and storm at Leigchardt it seems. that might be where the big myth is.

The point is ….. there is no Myth.

Leichhardt is not a fortress, never has been.

Some idiot in the media said it I guess - and a few dopes picked up on it.

In my 68 years of going there no one I know has ever called it a fortress.

I agree with you Russell, but as it turns out, we have a 50% greater win rate at Leichhardt than other home grounds and that is not to be sneezed at.

 

[tonza]

those teams didn't get flogged by out of top 8 teams.. Eels Knights raiders Titans. 4 of those teams have beaten us out of the top 8\. you can't make the top 8 if we continue to lose to teams we are suppose to beat. the Broncos already have a 6 point gap which means we have to find 4 wins to even go past them now because our F and A is now shot as well. we are done. and we have 1st and 2nd place teams coming up (then again we seems to rise against the best teams who knows)

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

Well it doesn't matter where we are playing it seems. raiders flogged us at our other home ground as well. I don't think a field with grass around it and a fence is making us play worse or better, certainly isn't making the refs favor us either

we always beat the cowboys and storm at Leigchardt it seems. that might be where the big myth is.

The point is ….. there is no Myth.

Leichhardt is not a fortress, never has been.

Some idiot in the media said it I guess - and a few dopes picked up on it.

In my 68 years of going there no one I know has ever called it a fortress.

And I thought I was the Antique around here.

 

[Telltails]

It seems to irritate a few on here that there was a full house at Leichardt yesterday.
Not sure if it is the percieved support for Farah or the fact that the inner west cafe latte drinking nimbies also dont mind going to Leichardt on a Sunday to watch the footy. Talk about myths.

 

[gallagher]

I agree with you 1000% oggy, but how is that related to Leichhardt Oval?

Well it doesn't matter where we are playing it seems. raiders flogged us at our other home ground as well. I don't think a field with grass around it and a fence is making us play worse or better, certainly isn't making the refs favor us either

we always beat the cowboys and storm at Leigchardt it seems. that might be where the big myth is.

The point is ….. there is no Myth.

Leichhardt is not a fortress, never has been.

Some idiot in the media said it I guess - and a few dopes picked up on it.

In my 68 years of going there no one I know has ever called it a fortress.

I agree with you Russell, but as it turns out, we have a 50% greater win rate at Leichhardt than other home grounds and that is not to be sneezed at.

And weve won 233% more games than Parra this year. We must be having a great year.

60% win rate doesnt offset the money we lose by playing there.

Three home grounds Glenn, good thing or not?

 

[gallagher]

It seems to irritate a few on here that there was a full house at Leichardt yesterday.
Not sure if it is the percieved support for Farah or the fact that the inner west cafe latte drinking nimbies also dont mind going to Leichardt on a Sunday to watch the footy. Talk about myths.

I can only see people talking about our win/loss rate there and the money we lose playing there. But I'm reading the posts.