The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[matchball]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

Lol

Hey. whatever suits the argument.

I was just pointing out your glaring contradiction all within one paragraph. Normally people contradict themselves over a few paragraphs but you managed it just one. That's a special kind of record and what's even special is your comeback. There is no argument, we don't have cash for these "supercoaches"

 

[matchball]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

According to yesterday's SMH Toovey is pretty desperate to get back into footie in spite of an accountant's job - he could be very cheap dollar-wise. He uses WT as a stepping stone to prove his credentials.

Fair enough. I just googled that and seems like he is keen for anything. Doesn't seem like a man motivated by money.
Let's give 2017 a shot first before we throw out current coach under the bus.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Toovey was just letting Bozo know he is ready!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

Lol

Hey. whatever suits the argument.

I was just pointing out your glaring contradiction all within one paragraph. Normally people contradict themselves over a few paragraphs but you managed it just one. That's a special kind of record and what's even special is your comeback. There is no argument, we don't have cash for these "supercoaches"

Wrong person 😕

 

[Telltails]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

Such a ridiculous argument questioning who would want to play under him when there's no evidence that players wouldn't want to come here because of him. The only guide we have is the players who have re-signed during his tenure. ET, Sue, Aloiai, Simona, Brooks and Moses took up options, Ava turned down an offer from Melbourne. That's a pretty good indicator that the players don't see him as the big bad wolf that some of our supporters do.

 

[Telltails]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

Such a ridiculous argument questioning who would

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

want to play under him when there's no evidence that players wouldn't want to come here because of him. The only guide we have is the players who have re-signed during his tenure. ET, Sue, Aloiai, Simona, Brooks and Moses took up options, Ava turned down an offer from Melbourne. That's a pretty good indicator that the players don't see him as the big bad wolf that some of our supporters do.

Not a ridiculous arguement at all when we have a history of not being able to compete with other clubs in getting the players we want from other clubs.
We have a good record at retaining our juniors most of those you named have come through that system - but if we want to compete against other clubs for players who come on the market, other than money, the coach will be a factor. And I'm not sure that he is an asset in that respect. He may turn out to be the coach that turns that around - hence why I will be interested to see. Big Bad Wolf - hardly!

 

[TYGA]

Taylor has to achieve two things this year 1) Make the finals 2) Teddy, Moses and Woods sign new contracts.

Failure in these areas he has to go. If he succeeds which I think is very possible he should earn another 2 years.
We need to start becoming performance based no more 3-5 year plans they are excuses for failure.

 

[TrueTiger]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

Such a ridiculous argument questioning who would want to play under him when there's no evidence that players wouldn't want to come here because of him. The only guide we have is the players who have re-signed during his tenure. ET, Sue, Aloiai, Simona, Brooks and Moses took up options, Ava turned down an offer from Melbourne. That's a pretty good indicator that the players don't see him as the big bad wolf that some of our supporters do.

Thing is Pascoe may have lured Idris and ET…..but they know JT is the coach,thats his main role...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We don't need any more uncertainties this year. Extend him for a year, he deserves that.

He could have easily kicked the can down the road with the cap situation, but not only has he fixed it, but he managed to get us within a whisker of the 8 while operating on fumes.

The RF situation, while unfortunate, was not played out in the media because of JT .. and we all know who leaked it. He should not be punished for bad handling there, unless you want to show everyone that bad behaviour from agents and players gets you results.

The support to kick JT after making these tough decision for our long term by some supporters is exactly why we are a rabble of a club. It seems too many of us want short term success instead and kick and scream even when we are noticebly on the right track.

I respectfully disagree i feel that we would be far more of a rabble if we gave him an extension despite doing zero in his first 2 years.He is getting a 3rd year if we make top 6 then fine give him another year but he has to achieve that goal."No more mediocrity no more excuses"

As has been stated here , he knew what the cap situation was when he came here.
As for his actual record here. He took us to a whisker off the 8 in 2016,
And a whisker off 16th in 2015.
There maybe some genuine arguments for an extension, but his record with us is not one of them.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

It would be interesting to learn what player managers are being told about who will be coach in 2018.

 

[TrueTiger]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

This is what irks me about bagging the coach out everytime it comes to making the finals eg. bptiger you call JT a snake in the grass,do you know him personally or is it because you don't want him coaching the side in your PROFESSIONAL OPINION as an NRL coach or just a keyboard warrior..he has done a reasonable job so far and still has a year to go…how about letting him do his job as per contract first and foremost..dont for a minute think we have a world class playing roster to win us a premiership at the moment,we have what we have that is affordable for the club,,and speaking of which,Brooks,Moses and company are paid big money to PERFORM in the NRL arena,if they spit the dummy during the game,miss tackles at crucial parts of the game,go missing during the game and don't perform to their pay cheques,maybe you should call them" snakes in the grass" for expecting payment for dismal performances...its a two way street,as a coach you can only work with what you have,if the players cant handle the heat of bigtime NRL then maybe they should look at another career and stop wasting club and members money by not performing to the reported hype and talent....

well true tiger u bag me and u don't know me from a bar of soap, JT has been the worst coach this club has had. I don't know him either but a do speak to a couple of players from the club we are not close buddies but they have told me what a jerk JT is and that is good enough for me. he has done bugger all for this club are defence is as bad as when he came and for most of his tender we have played taylor ball, so mate get of ur high horse, or is HE UR BEST MATE.

No JT isnt my best mate,I have only met him on a couple of occasions and they were only briefly….you seem to be quite young going by your grammer,and if so you may not understand about giving someone "a fair go".Taylor has a contract for 3 years,he inherited a mess when he came here,he is slowly sorting things out gradually as lots of things take time to achieve the best results.Money is another huge factor in this argument as we have very little at the moment to invest in class players..Taylorball was the best way JT had to show the very inexperienced young guys what NRL is about,it has taken them sometime to let it sink in..so all in all I'm quite happy for JT to be here this season to complete his tenure(not tender as you put it)and if we achieve well this year I'm happy for him to get a one year extension...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

When you take into account the selection blunders, favouritism of extremely ordinary players, Lack of the ability to admit to his mistakes,and the excuses pedalled by him continuously, it's hard to adsolve Taylor from anything.
When are you Taylor lovers going to face the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he came here. What happened , or happens since , is his responsibility.
No more Excuses .

Couldn't agree more with your post.

With no more excuses this year, lets see how the team is performing before any decision on taylors future is made. Extending His contract before a ball is even kicked would be a big mistake.

Great post CGT. The JT lovers will never face facts, something they have in common with their idol.

Seems like the anti Taylor conference is over

Yep and it was a good one on the Gold Coast…...sorry ..... I've got to go, I just drove past a $700,000 unit that looks to be a good buy,
jeez,I hope I've got my wallet with me .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

Such a ridiculous argument questioning who would

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

want to play under him when there's no evidence that players wouldn't want to come here because of him. The only guide we have is the players who have re-signed during his tenure. ET, Sue, Aloiai, Simona, Brooks and Moses took up options, Ava turned down an offer from Melbourne. That's a pretty good indicator that the players don't see him as the big bad wolf that some of our supporters do.

Not a ridiculous arguement at all when we have a history of not being able to compete with other clubs in getting the players we want from other clubs.
We have a good record at retaining our juniors most of those you named have come through that system - but if we want to compete against other clubs for players who come on the market, other than money, the coach will be a factor. And I'm not sure that he is an asset in that respect. He may turn out to be the coach that turns that around - hence why I will be interested to see. Big Bad Wolf - hardly!

So you've gone from pointing the finger at JT, to pointing the finger at the club, yet you credited Pascoe with bringing in Idris and ET. You're contradicting yourself.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

It would be interesting to learn what player managers are being told about who will be coach in 2018.

considering his extension is before the board, they would be quoting Jason Taylor.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Yep and it was a good one on the Gold Coast…...sorry ..... I've got to go, I just drove past a $700,000 unit that looks to be a good buy,
jeez,I hope I've got my wallet with me .

Never go past a good bargain, even if your on a work trip!

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Quite frankly do people believe that JT is a coach that can draw players to our club?
I honestly believe if a player is being pursued by us and another club that he could be detrimental in our ability to secure players - unless we pay overs
By all accounts it was Pascoe that lured ET and Idris.
Taylor's ability in a this area is unknown. I will be
interested to see how successful he is when and if he is around when the cheque book opens.
Unless he achieves some level of great success this
year don't see him as a coach that players would flock
to play under - no matter how much the current squad
talk it up. Recruitment and retention the sign of a good coach - a big challenge ahead for JT.

Such a ridiculous argument questioning who would want to play under him when there's no evidence that players wouldn't want to come here because of him. The only guide we have is the players who have re-signed during his tenure. ET, Sue, Aloiai, Simona, Brooks and Moses took up options, Ava turned down an offer from Melbourne. That's a pretty good indicator that the players don't see him as the big bad wolf that some of our supporters do.

Thing is Pascoe may have lured Idris and ET…..but they know JT is the coach,thats his main role...

Ava turning down an offer from Melbourne could also be for other reasons - who would want to live there? I would not. Like Farah maybe Ava doesn't want to leave his friends and family. And with Farah warts and all being able to score a Sydney cub surely Ava also could.

 

[batboy]

It's all rubbish
- We had a respected coach, Couldn't get players.
Won a premiership, Couldn't get players.

How are the Titans signing guys? They've never had a better coach than us. (Except maybe now) But he's not good enough that people are leaving Bellamy for him….
Two things...

1: Location
2: Money...
We don't have either.

Now, I know that the inner west is like 12k's from Bondi - But have you ever spoken to someone who lives in the east? They think driving to Parramatta is like crossing the nullabor.
We may not like to admit it, But we're seen as the scurge of the comp. We have nothing to offer any superstar.
We've been quite good at hanging onto our own over the years... But I fear this will all change.
If we lose 3/4 of our top guns, We're goners.... Wasted 6 years.

Parra were in the same position as us until they signed Watmough.... They only got him through the "new" coach. Until we can get players from outside our club (no matter how busted they are) we simply won't ever get the ball rolling....

 

[Pawsandclaws]

It would be interesting to learn what player managers are being told about who will be coach in 2018.

considering his extension is before the board, they would be quoting Jason Taylor.

If true, it only confirms what many have suspected, that his tenure at the club is not results driven. Is it a reward for something other than winning games? Absolutely disgraceful.

 

[TCL]

I hope the club waits until the season is underway before we offer JT an extension or as other posters have stated, if they do they have performance clauses in there so we can break if needed. If he gets our team to the semis or top 4 as reported then, extend for 2 years or 3 years.

I understand players are going to have an impact on coach selection but, I wouldn't rely on their long term support if we are not winning. IMO the players will think that they are as good a chance as any club to win in 2017\. I don't buy into that argument that we don't have a team that can win. Look at 2005\. It's up to our coach to get us there. Our wins are his work as are our losses you can't seperate him from the team. The team extends beyond the player roster.