The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[wonka]

Well GNR,if people only want to see the negatives of everything someone does,then I cant seem to think of another word to describe them…..

And yes i know Paws or someone will reply with the defensive ranking.

OK…

My reply is when has anyone ever cared about our defense. Ever since 05 all i've heard is we're a team who outscores our opposition. If they score 30, we'll score 31\. Now all some seem to care about is defense. Why is that? Has nothing to do with the fact Taylor highlighted it when he got here and because it hasn't tightened up, suddenly it's a big issue and he needs to go does it?

We care about defence because we wasted a whole season playing TAYLORBALL, which was going to improve the defence instead it produced sweet FA.

Yet the improvement on the ladder means nothing does it?

Steven Bradbury won gold was he the best skater or did those around him crumble.

 

[wmlmaster]

We care about defence because we wasted a whole season playing TAYLORBALL, which was going to improve the defence instead it produced sweet FA.

Maybe Taylor made a mistake and changed it up for Taylorball as you call it.
Give him a crack with a squad he wants. Potter didn't get the privilege so we owe Taylor that. He got rid of Farah so he has no excuses. **Yes we are handicapped when paying 700k for him to play elsewhere. It's a significant disadvantage that's no fault of JT.**
The mess is inherited. Someone had to clean it and become the bad guy.

That highlighted statement is where I disagree with you matchball. From this point on he is to be held accountable as its his fault WT are subsidising RF to play elsewhere.

Lol
Do you seriously believe it was JTs decision alone?
Delusional

I believe he is the main drive behind it, I'm sick and tired of the excuses made for JT before 2017 has kicked off.

To the point JT always wanted a team with no Farah, than he is to be held accountable for the results coming.

I hope he proves me wrong and pray that the boys do well.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And yes i know Paws or someone will reply with the defensive ranking.

OK…

My reply is when has anyone ever cared about our defense. Ever since 05 all i've heard is we're a team who outscores our opposition. If they score 30, we'll score 31\. Now all some seem to care about is defense. Why is that? Has nothing to do with the fact Taylor highlighted it when he got here and because it hasn't tightened up, suddenly it's a big issue and he needs to go does it?

We care about defence because we wasted a whole season playing TAYLORBALL, which was going to improve the defence instead it produced sweet FA.

Yet the improvement on the ladder means nothing does it?

Steven Bradbury won gold was he the best skater or did those around him crumble.

Must be a blast watching games with you

*Tigers score. Everyone cheers*

Kafta - ''Why is everyone cheering, the other team dropped the ball in the last set. We didn't really earn it''

 

[Tim Sheens]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

 

[jadtiger]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

 

[Tim Sheens]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, …....... definitely ......... terrific.

I can't speak for Fluffy or any othe cat, but his statement is unequivocal, so he himself obviously believes it.

 

[jirskyr]

I wouldn't offer JT an extension just now. I reckon he's doing an ok job and by the ultimate measurement - improvement in # wins and table position, 2016 was a step in the right direction. He needs another step in that direction, which means finals 2017.

I think JT probably is close to earning an extension because there are definite signs of team-wide improvement and the best result since 2011\. More than just pure results, is the behind-the-scenes question of does JT have the capability of taking and moulding this team further. Fans cannot really say, we only know what we see in terms of on-field player performance.

But the bottom line for me is we are not in any rush. Taylor is highly unlikely to be headhunted by another club in 2017, so we can afford to wait and see what's happening. The only caveat is if player retention needs to be tied to some surety about the coach.

 

[sideline_eye]

I believe we could have made the 8 last year by keeping Farah coming off the bench and there would have been goodwill from all sides. Winners are grinners and JT would have earned acceptance. Farah would have had the whole off season to find a new home under dark without controversy whilst games are on. Farah scored tries in his 2 final FG games and we only needed a silly field goal to reach final 8\. I still believe the team and fans were thrown under a bus - I could not believe at the time that that could actually happen, you just cannot do that when the final 8 is on the line. It was sad and I thought sadder still for the more dedicated fans than myself. This still impacts me greatly on whom should be coach from game one this yea.

Look, Robbie is not the Messiah; he's just a very naughty hooker.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

I Can't see how the cultures changed.

We still lose when it matters, we still get the avalanche of fluff stories about how the team has bought into the Coaches plans before the season. (I don't think that there has ever been a team who wasnt buying into the coaches plans, seeing as he picks the team).
We still hear how player x is training the house down, (only to not hear another squeak from him once there's a defence in front of him ). Or a forward running at him.
They can paint us up like a Christmas tree, but we still are perennial also rans.
And a lot of things will have to align for us to be any threat,
A good coach is one of them , and we are far from having one.
Our "culture " is mediocrity, and we do it well.
I feel sorry for Teddy at times, as he's one bloke who deserves a better coach and in some cases better players around him.

 

[jadtiger]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, …....... definitely ......... terrific.

I can't speak for Fluffy or any othe cat, but his statement is unequivocal, so he himself obviously believes it.

You are missing the point he has only been at the club for 1 (one) day. How can you notice a CHANGE in the culture when you have no previous knowledge to base it on.I am not having a dig at you formerguest but his statement has little credibility under those circumstances.

 

[hammertime]

I respectfully disagree i feel that we would be far more of a rabble if we gave him an extension despite doing zero in his first 2 years.He is getting a 3rd year if we make top 6 then fine give him another year but he has to achieve that goal."No more mediocrity no more excuses"

As has been stated here , he knew what the cap situation was when he came here.
As for his actual record here. He took us to a whisker off the 8 in 2016,
And a whisker off 16th in 2015.
There maybe some genuine arguments for an extension, but his record with us is not one of them.

He actually didn't know the full extent of the cap issues gct. Those became apparent as they dug more into the mess from the prior admin. You can go back and look at the timelines.. there were a few articles on it.

I'm actually amazed he managed to get us to 9th with probably the worst or 2nd worst cap position!

Jadtiger- do you honestly think there was zero improvement last year? Or is that just hyperbole. You can say a few things about JT, but fixing the cap mess, improving culture, and s&c plus getting us 1 win from finals with said cap situation is not "doing zero"

Hammertime our defence did not improve hence the "doing zero" comment.As for it being a better year than 2015 it was, but dont forget JT was in charge in the disaster that was 2015.When you take a team to the bottom (2015)the only was is up.As i have stated he has 1 more chance to get it right top 6 imo or out the door he should go.

I saw a lot more commitment in defence. That right edge plus a few blow outs were the issue with the stats. But to me, defence actually looked a hell of a lot better.

Again, you are asking JT to get to top 6 with probably still the worst or 2nd worst cap position. Us and Newcastle. Asking a little much don't you think? I don't reckon bennett could even do that. JT shouldn't be punished for others mistakes.

If he gets us to top 6, with 1 unfit first grade signing, and multiple losses, he will be the best coach in the entire comp.

Stability is the only way we will get close. Give him his 2 year extension now with caveats to remove the contract. The only reason I would not give him it is if ted or Mitch won't sign with him as coach.

 

[hammertime]

And yes i know Paws or someone will reply with the defensive ranking.

OK…

My reply is when has anyone ever cared about our defense. Ever since 05 all i've heard is we're a team who outscores our opposition. If they score 30, we'll score 31\. Now all some seem to care about is defense. Why is that? Has nothing to do with the fact Taylor highlighted it when he got here and because it hasn't tightened up, suddenly it's a big issue and he needs to go does it?

We care about defence because we wasted a whole season playing TAYLORBALL, which was going to improve the defence instead it produced sweet FA.

Maybe Taylor made a mistake and changed it up for Taylorball as you call it.
Give him a crack with a squad he wants. Potter didn't get the privilege so we owe Taylor that. He got rid of Farah so he has no excuses. **Yes we are handicapped when paying 700k for him to play elsewhere. It's a significant disadvantage that's no fault of JT.**
The mess is inherited. Someone had to clean it and become the bad guy.

That highlighted statement is where I disagree with you matchball. From this point on he is to be held accountable as its his fault WT are subsidising RF to play elsewhere.

MB is right that Taylor didn't create the backloaded contract. The fact that we are paying him to play elsewhere exactly means his market value wasn't inline with his contract.

Even if he was still here, Taylor was effectively hampered by that amount.

Not JTs fault. Mayer and co.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzuJXqgsiSM

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I believe we could have made the 8 last year by keeping Farah coming off the bench and there would have been goodwill from all sides. Winners are grinners and JT would have earned acceptance. Farah would have had the whole off season to find a new home under dark without controversy whilst games are on. Farah scored tries in his 2 final FG games and we only needed a silly field goal to reach final 8\. I still believe the team and fans were thrown under a bus - I could not believe at the time that that could actually happen, you just cannot do that when the final 8 is on the line. It was sad and I thought sadder still for the more dedicated fans than myself. This still impacts me greatly on whom should be coach from game one this yea.

Look, Robbie is not the Messiah; he's just a very naughty hooker.

Messiah or not he would have got that elusive field goal and helped save JT's backside as well to help keep Teddy and Mitch this season.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

We care about defence because we wasted a whole season playing TAYLORBALL, which was going to improve the defence instead it produced sweet FA.

Maybe Taylor made a mistake and changed it up for Taylorball as you call it.
Give him a crack with a squad he wants. Potter didn't get the privilege so we owe Taylor that. He got rid of Farah so he has no excuses. **Yes we are handicapped when paying 700k for him to play elsewhere. It's a significant disadvantage that's no fault of JT.**
The mess is inherited. Someone had to clean it and become the bad guy.

That highlighted statement is where I disagree with you matchball. From this point on he is to be held accountable as its his fault WT are subsidising RF to play elsewhere.

MB is right that Taylor didn't create the backloaded contract. The fact that we are paying him to play elsewhere exactly means his market value wasn't inline with his contract.

Even if he was still here, Taylor was effectively hampered by that amount.

Not JTs fault. Mayer and co.

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I believe we could have made the 8 last year by keeping Farah coming off the bench and there would have been goodwill from all sides. Winners are grinners and JT would have earned acceptance. Farah would have had the whole off season to find a new home under dark without controversy whilst games are on. Farah scored tries in his 2 final FG games and we only needed a silly field goal to reach final 8\. I still believe the team and fans were thrown under a bus - I could not believe at the time that that could actually happen, you just cannot do that when the final 8 is on the line. It was sad and I thought sadder still for the more dedicated fans than myself. This still impacts me greatly on whom should be coach from game one this yea.

Look, Robbie is not the Messiah; he's just a very naughty hooker.

Messiah or not he would have got that elusive field goal and helped save JT's backside as well to help keep Teddy and Mitch this season.

You must have missed where he said he wasn't going out of his way to try and sway anyone into staying with the club.

 

[TrueTiger]

Maybe Taylor made a mistake and changed it up for Taylorball as you call it.
Give him a crack with a squad he wants. Potter didn't get the privilege so we owe Taylor that. He got rid of Farah so he has no excuses. **Yes we are handicapped when paying 700k for him to play elsewhere. It's a significant disadvantage that's no fault of JT.**
The mess is inherited. Someone had to clean it and become the bad guy.

That highlighted statement is where I disagree with you matchball. From this point on he is to be held accountable as its his fault WT are subsidising RF to play elsewhere.

MB is right that Taylor didn't create the backloaded contract. The fact that we are paying him to play elsewhere exactly means his market value wasn't inline with his contract.

Even if he was still here, Taylor was effectively hampered by that amount.

Not JTs fault. Mayer and co.

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Actually Paws he is at a club deserving of his talents…WTs are definitely not Storm OR Cowboys like when it comes to finals appearances...this team and club needed some major changes and Taylor has implemented a majority of these changes for the better ...bag him all you like,it only makes your dislike for him standout more every time you post..as for financial constraints...this is why we have no money now...backended,overpriced contracts from previous management...

 

[hammertime]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, I can see a good culture change; the players here are definitely buying into what the Head Coach wants and that's terrific.

Sure sounds like the coach has to go, as having a heap of players liking the direction the coach is taking is just so not WT.

How on earth can you notice a "good culture change" if you have only been at the club for 1 day?He should have said "the culture of the club seems fine".I am sure Fluffy the cat would believe it but i dont.
No more mediocrity no more excuses

"From being an outsider, and from just one day here, …....... definitely ......... terrific.

I can't speak for Fluffy or any othe cat, but his statement is unequivocal, so he himself obviously believes it.

You are missing the point he has only been at the club for 1 (one) day. How can you notice a CHANGE in the culture when you have no previous knowledge to base it on.I am not having a dig at you formerguest but his statement has little credibility under those circumstances.

None actually, ,unless the the parking space lines were freshly painted.just before he arrived, and the grass edges were trimmed.
Maybe the tackle bags were stacked neatly in the gear cupboard….but then .......that's not a change. We hardly ever use them! :laughing:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

Was JT aware of the roster he had when he signed with the club?

DId anyone force JT to sign with the club?

Is it unreasonable that an NRL coach be expected to work with and get the best from all players in the roster he/she inherits?

When does the list of excuses wear thin? This continual argument amuses me as much as Sussan Ley being replaced by Arthur Seenodonors. Very funny indeed.