The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[TYGA]

No way they should extend his contract now. He wont be signed by another team and we need to see the retention results and make the 8\. If we can't keep Teddy & Moses or we fail to make the finals we need to chase a credentialed coach. i.e. one who has made man finals over the past 5-10 years.

 

[happy_tiger]

The club seems to be doing everything to placate them so how they feel about Taylor will have a big bearing on their future.

I actually completely agree with what you and others have said, GNR,
But my point is that , around the time that Sheens was on the way out here, the senior players were actually called in and interviewed on a few different issues, one being the Coach.
Obviously the opinions mustn't have been too good as he was chopped( deservedly so)
It's just funny that one person in the club was vilified by some , because it was convenient, when all of the seniors were asked about it.

I don't have any problems about asking senior players to give an opinion about a coach,
But I wonder if , for example , Teddy told the club that he wouldn't stay if Taylor was to be retained here, would he be treated the same way by the same people
That's where double standards apply.
As for Taylor, he's getting the three years that he wanted and was lucky to survive 2015.
Either he gets results or enough time will have been wasted.

I can remind you how someone like Teddy would be treated if he decided to leave the Tigers full stop if you like

Remember the Tede$co threads ??

Have a browse if you care …..

I wasn't talking about him just leaving( and I remember the threads)
I was talking about if the top players were threatening to walk if Taylor wasn't axed.
Most here would help Taylor Pack his bags.

I don't think any of those blokes would contract confidence to start that stuff GCT

And after what happened to Farah , they would realize NOW that no one is bigger than the team /club

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I actually completely agree with what you and others have said, GNR,
But my point is that , around the time that Sheens was on the way out here, the senior players were actually called in and interviewed on a few different issues, one being the Coach.
Obviously the opinions mustn't have been too good as he was chopped( deservedly so)
It's just funny that one person in the club was vilified by some , because it was convenient, when all of the seniors were asked about it.

I don't have any problems about asking senior players to give an opinion about a coach,
But I wonder if , for example , Teddy told the club that he wouldn't stay if Taylor was to be retained here, would he be treated the same way by the same people
That's where double standards apply.
As for Taylor, he's getting the three years that he wanted and was lucky to survive 2015.
Either he gets results or enough time will have been wasted.

I can remind you how someone like Teddy would be treated if he decided to leave the Tigers full stop if you like

Remember the Tede$co threads ??

Have a browse if you care …..

I wasn't talking about him just leaving( and I remember the threads)
I was talking about if the top players were threatening to walk if Taylor wasn't axed.
Most here would help Taylor Pack his bags.

I don't think any of those blokes would contract confidence to start that stuff GCT

And after what happened to Farah , they would realize NOW that no one is bigger than the team /club

My original point was in reply to GNRs post that implied that the club should make decisions( select the coach) to suit the top players.

My reference to the " coaches should coach"
Comments . was about that, but we've drifted off the point a bit.
My meaning was . that it's a bit ironic that we now have sugestions that Coaching decisions should be made to suit them timewise.
As for your other statement about the players.
I'd like to have some money on Taylor being dumped very quickly , if our top 3 players
Told the club that it was either Taylor or them,
I think that it would be Taylor being told "no ones bigger than the club" on his way out the door.
Anyway it looks like an interesting season ahead of us.
I just hope we don't replicate our 2015 effort.

 

[cktiger]

Where else would you get a three year contract and, after underperforming the first two years, get offered an extra year before the third had begun?
Welcome to the WestsTigers!
If they were to do it they would need a clause that if we didn't make the top 4 it became invalid.

You can still bag the club you support based on nothing more than someone's opinion..

Not a bad effort

Well, actually, it's my opinion and I wasn't bagging the club so much as the administrators.
Thanks so much for your input,though.

 

[rialto]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

My understanding has been that our team lacked energy and played poorly because many players were either coming down, or recovering from the virus that swept through the team.

 

[Tiger4life]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

So you absolve Taylor of all responsibility for what happened that day. So then what is Taylor responsible for? Since we have defensive coaches and attacking coaches, is it not his job to get the players up for the most important game of the year??? You fan boys are hilarious lol.

 

[happy_tiger]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

So you absolve Taylor of all responsibility for what happened that day. So then what is Taylor responsible for? Since we have defensive coaches and attacking coaches, is it not his job to get the players up for the most important game of the year??? You fan boys are hilarious lol.

Same way you absolve an incompetent playing roster , I'll be amazed if we beat Canberra / Roosters in the 3 seasons

We can't match either side physically , simple as that

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

So you absolve Taylor of all responsibility for what happened that day. So then what is Taylor responsible for? Since we have defensive coaches and attacking coaches, is it not his job to get the players up for the most important game of the year??? You fan boys are hilarious lol.

Same way you absolve an incompetent playing roster , I'll be amazed if we beat Canberra / Roosters in the 3 seasons

We can't match either side physically , simple as that

When you take into account the selection blunders, favouritism of extremely ordinary players, Lack of the ability to admit to his mistakes,and the excuses pedalled by him continuously, it's hard to adsolve Taylor from anything.
When are you Taylor lovers going to face the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he came here. What happened , or happens since , is his responsibility.
No more Excuses .

 

[jadtiger]

taylor has 2 new defensive coaches to sacrifice this year when things go wrong.After all he is untouchable in many peoples eyes.
If JT walks the walk this year and we make top 6 then fine retain him if he dosent punt him.The mantra of our club should be "no more medricrity no more excuses".

 

[Geo]

'Reasons not excuses'..T. Sheens..

Come back Robbie….

 

[GNR4LIFE]

taylor has 2 new defensive coaches to sacrifice this year when things go wrong.[b{After all he is untouchable in many peoples eyes.[/b]
If JT walks the walk this year and we make top 6 then fine retain him if he dosent punt him.The mantra of our club should be "no more medricrity no more excuses".

Not at all, just happy to see him see out his three years. I think a lot are keen to see him build on the progress that was made in 2016.

 

[bp_tiger]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

 

[larrycorowa]

If team is performing to expectations bye week re-sign otherwise start searching for a replacement. If players are concerned about the coaching situation it means that the club hasn't progressed much over the past few years. Players should be confident that the front office will do everything they can to give the players the best chance of on field success. This is key for us to build long term success.

 

[TrueTiger]

taylor has 2 new defensive coaches to sacrifice this year when things go wrong.[b{After all he is untouchable in many peoples eyes.[/b]
If JT walks the walk this year and we make top 6 then fine retain him if he dosent punt him.The mantra of our club should be "no more medricrity no more excuses".

Not at all, just happy to see him see out his three years. I think a lot are keen to see him build on the progress that was made in 2016.

As said before,JT must complete his tenure as coach,he did know what he was in for when he came here and it was a s**t fight,he must be given the opportunity to complete his work…its only fair..we have had far less injuries than previous,a better culture forming and admin has improved greatly...with the squad he had and the results of last year how can you not see how well we are progressing as a club and team...this may not suit the people on here that demand results instantaneously,it all takes time,however the results of 2017 will determine the outcome of his extention....as for mediocrity and excuses..we have had them for many years,the people who don't like JT are the ones who want him gone and use them as their reasoning to get rid of him..
JT is not the only one who has to walk the walk this year ..Brooks comes to mind as does a couple of others.....

 

[Swordy]

Ive been an open supporter of the coach, but not because i necessarily think he can coach.

I think he inherited a team that wasnt his, a club in absolute shambles, a joke of a board and a very average overpaid playing roster.

Those who say he has had two years and he should have produced are letting ego cloud their judgement IMO. There is not a single coach that could have done better. Thats not because im saying Taylors the best coach, which he isnt of course, its just a reflection on how bad the club and management was in the last 3-4 years.

I believe Taylor now has his opportunity this year and we will soon find out in the first 10 rounds how things are shaping. Im a firm believer in giving the fair go. If we are languishing after those ten rounds, then ill pay his cab fare out. I dont think senior coaches play as much a part in senior players re-signing as many think. Lets face it, any of them could be gone tomorrow. Tedesco and moses sign at the roosters, but the coach only lasts a year, so nothing is forever anywhere.

Do i think Taylor will take us deeep into the smi finals or a premiership…...ever.....NO.

Is/has he been the right person for the last couple of years with a clean out and a potential scapegoat coach if we needed.....I think so.

Youve got to remember, he has been put in this position to deliberately facilitate a change in culture, not necessarily to win a premiership.

 

[happy_tiger]

'Reasons not excuses'..T. Sheens..

Come back Robbie….

Mears is getting pretty old Geo , sure you want him back ??

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The club has been building everything around the coach, so it lends me to believe the extension is going to happen, more than likely before the season starts.

He has been given a new Coaching Structure, a new Operations Manager, and a new Recruitment Manager. The only obvious move is to give Taylor the right amount of time to work with these people, plus a 1 year extension will also give some outlook to the players who are re-signing.

Regardless if you like Taylor as a coach or think he is a dope, the clubs looks to be heading in this direction.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

'Reasons not excuses'..T. Sheens..

Come back Robbie….

Mears is getting pretty old Geo , sure you want him back ??

Good to see you break away from the Dark Side Geo :smiley:

 

[happy_tiger]

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

So you absolve Taylor of all responsibility for what happened that day. So then what is Taylor responsible for? Since we have defensive coaches and attacking coaches, is it not his job to get the players up for the most important game of the year??? You fan boys are hilarious lol.

Same way you absolve an incompetent playing roster , I'll be amazed if we beat Canberra / Roosters in the 3 seasons

We can't match either side physically , simple as that

When you take into account the selection blunders, favouritism of extremely ordinary players, Lack of the ability to admit to his mistakes,and the excuses pedalled by him continuously, it's hard to adsolve Taylor from anything.
When are you Taylor lovers going to face the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he came here. What happened , or happens since , is his responsibility.
No more Excuses .

The problem with some is they can't admit we have a mediocre playing roster still in key areas

Defensively our weakest areas are all linked , our two in , three in and 4 in on both sides of the ruck would be easily the worst in the NRL and it won't improve no matter who the coach is

Until we get a better playing roster , who can any expect better results and still blame the coaching roster

Don't worry GCT , if we'd picked up one decent defensive back rower and centre for 2017 I'd probably agree with you

But if the WT's don't make the 8 , Taylor will be gone , whether people like it or not

And no I'm not a Taylor lover , I just understand what the situation is

Some people just don't get or understand what having a substandard playing roster really means when it comes to the crunch

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How is it a controversial call?

If they perform, Taylor gets an extension. If they don't, he gets moved on. Hardly controversial.

What a beat up.