The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[colmcd]

No mate , Blaze was right , this club was in crisis when Taylor and Go first took over

I think we thought we were. I remember Tallis asking RF about Potter and apparently RF wasn't impressed.
Yes, RF should have known better but Tallis should be boo'd off every Tigers game he goes too, prick.

Honestly the media made it far bigger a problem then it really was. Sheen's was going to be big boots to fill. Potter was a risk, we took it. If that flareup did not happen I could have seen us come our usual 9th almost 8th.

Now we have switched to Taylor. I think he will really change the culture and style. Which is a shame as for all the games we lost, we were bloody entertaining. Now we will probably see structured attack and plays.

The real controversial call is defence, not sacking Taylor. Lets hope with David Kidwell's replacement we can fix that.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How about we wait until the team actually has a run this season before we get excited or upset about what lies ahead?

OK, how about we just shut down all threads that have the upcoming season as their focus?
Anticipation and/or excitement of the season ahead is really all there is to talk about in the off-season…...either that or the boring as bats%#t cricket.
People death riding our coach or the team for no reason seems to be pretty pointless though but people are entitled to their opinions regardless of how petty they may be.

I get that. There's stuff to work on, I'm the first to concede that, but it seems as though some are willing for it all to go wrong to justify their opinion.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
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“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
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“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
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“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

He doesnt need to exceed expectations he just has to meet them. What was the clubs 3 year plan? Top 8 last year, top 4 this year. I know you hate talking about defence but he has taken us backwards in defence. The funny part is if you call out taylor on these things its because its a personal thing, what a joke. Having an opinion on the coach does not make me or anyone else less of a supporter than someone who blindly follows the coach no matter what.

Well written. We didn't make the 8 last year and there is already talk of softening the Top 4 target this year. Why? So JT is not held accountable. The targets are a furphy, because we know JT is a protected species despite all the rhetoric which suggests otherwise. And as you have correctly written, having an opinion does not make you less or a supporter only one which recognises this club has gone backwards on the field under Taylor.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Gone backwards, yet 2016 was the highest we've finished on the ladder since 2011\. Go figure.

 

[TrueTiger]

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

He doesnt need to exceed expectations he just has to meet them. What was the clubs 3 year plan? Top 8 last year, top 4 this year. I know you hate talking about defence but he has taken us backwards in defence. The funny part is if you call out taylor on these things its because its a personal thing, what a joke. Having an opinion on the coach does not make me or anyone else less of a supporter than someone who blindly follows the coach no matter what.

Well written. We didn't make the 8 last year and there is already talk of softening the Top 4 target this year. Why? So JT is not held accountable. The targets are a furphy, because we know JT is a protected species despite all the rhetoric which suggests otherwise. And as you have correctly written, having an opinion does not make you less or a supporter only one which recognises this club has gone backwards on the field under Taylor.

No JT isn't a protected species as you put it….the Board are allowing him his full tenure which is 3 years,this being his third and final one under the contract....its called allowing a person to do their job as they were contracted to do...its being fair...as far as JT not being held accountable...I think he holds himself accountable for lots of things that have happened so far...he has taken a team which has had young inexperienced players and some fringe first graders to within 1 point of the finals last year after being 2nd last the year before,gone backwards ...I doubt it,however if that argument suits your dislike for JT then please use it as an excuse all you like..Im very excited for the season to start,in reality I hope we do make a huge challenge for the finals this year and if the players perform to their paycheques and do as the coach asks, then they will be heading in the right direction to challenge for the top 8.....blame the coaching staff for everything that goes wrong,but don't forget the players aren't excempted for dismal performances along the way....

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Extending JT before the season starts isn't a smart decision. Results on the field and around retention should occur prior to his contract being extended.

This is JT year to hit the mark, sure he has had to deal with alot of crap and clean things up with alot of instability around him however now things are stable.

He doesn't need to exceed or hit stupid goals, he needs to hit realistic goals set for him to achive this year

JT also needs to back his words up, last year he started talking about defense, this season its the edges - sign of a quality coach is to get improvements and motivate th team to perform at a consistent level - this is a must for JT.

My preference would be that a conditional contract signed during the season that if he achives the targets set a contract extension will be a formality. If targets are not achived his contract is no longer valid.

 

[palms]

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

He doesnt need to exceed expectations he just has to meet them. What was the clubs 3 year plan? Top 8 last year, top 4 this year. I know you hate talking about defence but he has taken us backwards in defence. The funny part is if you call out taylor on these things its because its a personal thing, what a joke. Having an opinion on the coach does not make me or anyone else less of a supporter than someone who blindly follows the coach no matter what.

Well written. We didn't make the 8 last year and there is already talk of softening the Top 4 target this year. Why? So JT is not held accountable. The targets are a furphy, because we know JT is a protected species despite all the rhetoric which suggests otherwise. And as you have correctly written, having an opinion does not make you less or a supporter only one which recognises this club has gone backwards on the field under Taylor.

No JT isn't a protected species as you put it….the Board are allowing him his full tenure which is 3 years,this being his third and final one under the contract....its called allowing a person to do their job as they were contracted to do...its being fair...

This bit is exactly right mate. We as fans were complaining about sacking coaches before their tenure had finished. Sheens went early and we had to pay him a motza. Potter got stabbed in the back and went early. If Taylor was to get sacked early as well, what coach worth their salt would want to come and coach here? The Tigers board have played this very well inasmuch that they have allowed the coach to take full control of the team, see out his contract and be solely accountable as to whether or not he gets re-signed. The equation is simple, Taylor wins games he gets another contract, Taylor loses games and he is gone. Management have complete control of this situation, have stated as much and if you believe otherwise then you might as well plant some beans and look for a golden egg in the clouds.

 

[marzie]

Potter never went early he had a 2 year contract that wasn't renewed. Common misconception

 

[TrueTiger]

Potter never went early he had a 2 year contract that wasn't renewed. Common misconception

Correct marzie,however he was never going to get renewed,he was the scapegoat with tied hands and nothing to recruit players with…totally different ballgame now that JT has the backing of the board and control of the team....

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

How about we wait until the team actually has a run this season before we get excited or upset about what lies ahead?

If we don't make the 8 or don't look like any improvement has been made once they've had a decent hit out, then stick the knife in all you like.

It's just sad watching people taking joy in being so despondent before the season has even started.

JT's first year was very ordinary. Results last year trended up, and I hope the trend continues on the same trajectory.

NO offence meant CB. But how do you know that anyone Takes joy in being so despondent about the season
I for one , would much prefer to be optimistic about every season, and used to be ,both with this club , and with one side of the JV .
Though I'm not despondent, (more like pissed off), I still want this team to win as many games as they can, and I don't really believe that anyone here, doesn't want that.

It may be that some think that it'd be worth another disaster of a season would be a small price to pay to make certain that our excuse for a Coach gets the chop,
But I don't have that many years to go, that afford to waste even 1 :laughing:
I want at least to see this team be ready to put an effort in every time that they go on the field. . And I want to see players selected on form. And I don't want to have to listen a Coach sprout slogans , which are completely contradicted by the teams performance.
We are stuck with him no matter what we think so I'll cop that, It if this club is so stupid as to extend his time before the end of this season, well it will shows what idiots they still have in charge

 

[Chris]

If JT got his 1 year extension at the start of the season, that would give him 2 more years at the club. I'd rather wait and see how thing went and how the team were performing mid season. If we're well entrenched in the top 8, that would tell me he's on the right path and I'd give him a 2 year extension. If we're at the tail end of the season, I'd start the search for a new coach.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

Not even close.
Our player strength is not an excuse for failure.
He wanted the job, so no point now of anyone blaming his cattle. He was the one who wanted the job.
A pass mark after three years would be the 8, but he can't expect other clubs to implode like some this year. hes talked up his coaching so far,
Now comes the crunch,. This is not going to be an easy year for him, but he wanted the job.

And he's doing his job…Without complaints. I'm failing to see what point you're trying to make.

Somehow , I thought you would be. :unamused:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

How much clearer could Go Be?
She plainly said that it would take three years to sort it out.
No matter whether you like him or loathe him as a Coach. Face Facts. He knew the cap problems the club had, but as it was the last chance saloon for him , he didn't have any alternative. I recall one thing that was said when he was appointed, that he was prepared to work with what we had.

So despite him knowing our position, nothing less than exceeding expextations would be considered a pass mark? You don't like the man, that much is obvious. And your dislike is stopping you from being objective.

We should be asking Go why the board needs 3 years to fix things.
They find '**something new to fix everyday and every week**'? :laughing:
The board doesn't have a clue and Taylor seems to have them in his pocket.
We are fortunate to have an abundance of young home grown talent that will improve naturally with more game time - no matter who is coaching.
Blokes like Pascoe (who does seem to know what he's doing) can see the opportunity to come here and eventually take control and run the ship.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

But that is exactly the problem , the club was finding out stuff Mayer did week to week after he left

The option in Sirro's favour was a perfect example of that CK , the club only found that out mid to late last season

Everyone continues to shoot the people trying to fix the problems , you want a scapegoat point your finger at Mayer

He almost lost us Tedesco , I know this for a FACT and I continually warned people at the end of those negotiations that Mayer was a tool from the top shelf of the garden shed

He can't have been that bad. Einfield teckoned that he was Gods gift to the club :roll

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We really do have the saddest bunch of supporters.

No GNR we have a great forum made up of true WTs supporters and members…..its the odd one or two who cant get over people being moved on because of their negative influence on the young team endeavouring to come to terms with what its like to play NRL...everyone has to start somewhere,some come to the end of their career but cant let go without feeling they are the WTs wholly and soley....and the people who put them on a pedestal......

Well , that was the excuse anyway.

 

[TrueTiger]

We really do have the saddest bunch of supporters.

No GNR we have a great forum made up of true WTs supporters and members…..its the odd one or two who cant get over people being moved on because of their negative influence on the young team endeavouring to come to terms with what its like to play NRL...everyone has to start somewhere,some come to the end of their career but cant let go without feeling they are the WTs wholly and soley....and the people who put them on a pedestal......

Well , that was the excuse anyway.

No excuse needed GCT,RF was allowed to much latitude as a player and thought HE was the WTs ….unfortunately he as many others before him had come to the end of their career at WTs...we must move on with the likes of Moses,Teddy,Woods,Liddle etc...remember RF for what he did in his time here,wether good or bad either way he is no longer here....for those that are interested in what he is doing and want to shadow him feel free to join the Souths forum,,,with TAZ and Alien....

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It was a money grab that didn't finish the way they thought it would,
But you're welcome to your opinion

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How about we wait until the team actually has a run this season before we get excited or upset about what lies ahead?

If we don't make the 8 or don't look like any improvement has been made once they've had a decent hit out, then stick the knife in all you like.

It's just sad watching people taking joy in being so despondent before the season has even started.

JT's first year was very ordinary. Results last year trended up, and I hope the trend continues on the same trajectory.

NO offence meant CB. But how do you know that anyone Takes joy in being so despondent about the season
I for one , would much prefer to be optimistic about every season, and used to be ,both with this club , and with one side of the JV .
Though I'm not despondent, (more like pissed off), I still want this team to win as many games as they can, and I don't really believe that anyone here, doesn't want that.

It may be that some think that it'd be worth another disaster of a season would be a small price to pay to make certain that our excuse for a Coach gets the chop,
But I don't have that many years to go, that afford to waste even 1 :laughing:
I want at least to see this team be ready to put an effort in every time that they go on the field. . And I want to see players selected on form. And I don't want to have to listen a Coach sprout slogans , which are completely contradicted by the teams performance.
We are stuck with him no matter what we think so I'll cop that, It if this club is so stupid as to extend his time before the end of this season, well it will shows what idiots they still have in charge

Not specifically you, but some are just not willing to let bygones be bygones and turn their head to 2017 and are focusing on the crap fest that took place last year and are using it as a basis to toe into individuals before a ball has been kicked this year, and it's not limited just to Taylor.

There's no constructive criticism it's maintaining grudges because players were playing last year who weren't deserving, or because a popular player was squeezed out.

It's a new year, fair enough we weren't where we wanted to be last year, but it was a significant improvement on 2015, and hopefully the trend continues. I'll concede that Taylor is not the best coach around, but if he finds the balance, shores up the defence and the playing group pull their fingers out they may surprise a few people.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If JT got his 1 year extension at the start of the season, that would give him 2 more years at the club. I'd rather wait and see how thing went and how the team were performing mid season. If we're well entrenched in the top 8, that would tell me he's on the right path and I'd give him a 2 year extension. If we're at the tail end of the season, I'd start the search for a new coach.

Agree 100%, any talk of extension before mid-season and being entrenched deep in the top 4-6 is crazy.

Give him most of the year to prove himself (un)worthy of the extension. It's not as though other clubs will be bashing the door down to take him.

 

[jirskyr]

sad part about this situation is that if Taylor can't make the 8 with this roster, and gets punted, then the new coach that comes in gets a full cap to play with to pick and choose. Pretty unfair if you ask me, the bloke that came in, in a club crisis, does all the dirty work that puts players and some fans ( or ppl that follow the club) offside by making the hard decisions that everyone before him was too gutless to make, gets nothing but an ended career and an unjust stench… he deserves another year just for having the balls to be the bloke that changed the culture of the club by getting rid of the boys club and running this team instead of the players running it. All this talk of accepting mediocrity, gez.... the club has been below average since its inception.... it's about time stuff changed, and judging by how upset are on here, it's clearly the right pathway. Give him a year with a full cap to show his worth.... if there is no improvement then sure. Bellyache wouldn't make the 8 with this cut price bargain basement roster. But I guess that doesn't matter to some professional coaches around here.

That used to be Brian Smith's standard job - be the bloke to go in and clear the place out, be unpopular, set up good new foundations, not really get the results and then get punted for a better people manager and tactician.

 

[hammertime]

If JT got his 1 year extension at the start of the season, that would give him 2 more years at the club. I'd rather wait and see how thing went and how the team were performing mid season. If we're well entrenched in the top 8, that would tell me he's on the right path and I'd give him a 2 year extension. If we're at the tail end of the season, I'd start the search for a new coach.

Agree 100%, any talk of extension before mid-season and being entrenched deep in the top 4-6 is crazy.

Give him most of the year to prove himself (un)worthy of the extension. It's not as though other clubs will be bashing the door down to take him.

I actually think you both are crazy. Keep the coach unknown in the same year we are trying to resign our key players? Geezus guys… What kind of message does that send to the players we are trying to get to buy into the clubs plans?

Extend him, but with kpi's. The only way we should look for a new coach is if Ted or Mitch won't sign.

It achieves exactly the same as what you are saying above, but gives us stability. Far more logical approach.

This year is not the one to keep a coaching decision up in the air. You need firm plans & direction from our leaders. The lack of that is why we have been a rabble for so long and it's why the Brisbane's, bulldogs and Melbourne's are always contenders.

They'll also be contenders for their signature if we look like we are about to go back to being the rabble we have been.

Us as fans need to get smarter and not promote instability.