The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

It would have upped moral 50% with all those tackles being made.

Trouble is it would have taken moral down by 200% having him in the team.

Are you sure you are not Farah himself. Please check - it is getting boring talking about players from other clubs.

How do you suggest I check if I am Farah or not? If I was already working for years at time of Granville Train Disaster doubt I could be still playing FG 40 years later.

 

[Geo]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

Kyle Lovett was our most consistent/effective tackler

Well with those two gone I am too scared to watch 2017 games.

I'm pretty sure you wont be missed…

 

[happy_tiger]

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

What agenda , you mean the winning agenda??? Okay I will stop wanting to win. So please tell me how long will it take to stop blaming the previous administration? According to you another 3 years lol. Do you read what you write. And you know what your talking about because….. either you are Jason Taylor or you are related to him. According to you , players don't even need a coach , because the coach has no part to play whatsoever in a teams performance.

We can still win a premiership and not beat a particular side

2005 we purposely avoided Parra and Melbourne as we couldn't have matched them

I'm just saying it will take us probably 3 seasons of recruiting to beat Canberra

And its funny how you only have about 4-5 supporters that Taylor can't coach

So basically most others on the Forum believes he can coach and deserves to see out his 3rd season , same way Potter deserved to see how he could of gone without that nutbag Mayer calling the shots

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

Early contender for quote of the year! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

Early contender for quote of the year! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I appreciate the recognition

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

No …...you have it backwards..Every Win in the past two years is in spite of the Coach and his dumb game plans and lousey team selections ...deserves no credit with our superiour roster ....every loss is because of the Coach and his dumb game planes and lousey team selections...and is to blame ...

As far as the players go every win is because the opposition were poor that week or had nothing to play for or were off their game and every loss is because Wests Tigers suck

Also please refrain from disgused swearing inf future...hope that clarifies ..you're welcome...

I seem to remember when we beat the Cowboys, plenty of praise for Taylor from the side that usually think he's generally a blight on the club, including me.
He's a part of the wins as well as a part of the flogging.
But stupid selections and decisions during games, come from the Coach
.
As for the swearing, fair enough .

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

You've spent the last 4 months barking at how we only got as far as we did because of Parra, refusing to see any positives, and now you laugh at the agenda of others. I wonder if you can see the irony.

I've told you a million times , Don't exaggerate. :slight_smile:

You still don't read things that you criticise , do you ?
I've actually said that Parra wasn't the only factor in us missing the 8\. But don't let facts spoil your day
I've mentioned Positives when they were there, such as the form of Tedesco.( who stands out in this team like a beacon).
You might be happy if we all fall at Taylors feet in worship. No matter what he does
But when he shows that he deserves praise this year, I'm happy to admit that,

 

[sideline_eye]

I've read this thread without much comment but something seems to be missing. Can somebody please provide a quote where JT has refused to take responsibility for a loss, any loss? I always watch the post game pressers and I've seen him give reasons for losses, never excuses and it would be very odd if he refused to comment on why we lost or won. Reasons are not necessarily excuses and blame shifting doesn't seem to be his go, at least as far as I can recall.

 

[ricksen]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

I'm not saying that defence is unimportant.

Just that JT improved the defence in 2015, but it did not improve in 2016\. But the results came in 2016 where they did not in 2015\. Aren't we ultimately a team on the up if our ladder position improves? Defence is one predictor, but ultimately it's only wins that count?

Tbh it's one of the main reasons I'm not as taken with out improvement in 2016 as others are.
Would have to think that copping 600+ in the against column doesn't correlate with many teams outside the bottom 2 or 3, so I feel we were a bit of a statistical outlier in that sense.
We'll need a significantly better defensive record to make the 8 in 2017, and I'm struggling to see how or why that'll happen.

It's a an outlier with an obvious explanation - the two games against Canberra where we conceded a total of 112 points. We were generally competitive in games and only got towelled up on a few occasions - Canberra twice, the Dogs, the Roosters and Penrith when they were on the charge to the finals.

5 towellings is far too many
We're going to have to improve our D by 20% or so (in terms of PA) to make the 8 - is anyone confident that will happen? Big ask IMO

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I've read this thread without much comment but something seems to be missing. Can somebody please provide a quote where JT has refused to take responsibility for a loss, any loss? I always watch the post game pressers and I've seen him give reasons for losses, never excuses and it would be very odd if he refused to comment on why we lost or won. Reasons are not necessarily excuses and blame shifting doesn't seem to be his go, at least as far as I can recall.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor/

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

"The fact that during his press conference he stated: “people are going to blame that decision for the loss, that is not why we lost” actually serves the exact contradictory purpose. He has self-assigned guilt in the most cowardly of ways.

Being a poor coach is one thing, but not being able to own up to your mistakes when offered the opportunity is a whole other thing. It highlights the lack of leadership Taylor exhibits.

A man with no accountability is not one who can be followed.

Now the reason I am fixating upon the Lovett issue in this article is because it so poignantly highlights Taylor’s deficiencies as a first grade coach. Every single commentator on Channel Nine and the 2GB radio broadcast pointed out several times how problematic this positional decision was.

A quick scroll through Facebook informs me that 99 per cent of the armchair coaches would create more confidence in their decisions than Taylor.

I will again iterate, the key role of a coach on match day is to assess the current climate of the game and make changes accordingly"

 

[Tiger4life]

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

What agenda , you mean the winning agenda??? Okay I will stop wanting to win. So please tell me how long will it take to stop blaming the previous administration? According to you another 3 years lol. Do you read what you write. And you know what your talking about because….. either you are Jason Taylor or you are related to him. According to you , players don't even need a coach , because the coach has no part to play whatsoever in a teams performance.

We can still win a premiership and not beat a particular side

2005 we purposely avoided Parra and Melbourne as we couldn't have matched them

I'm just saying it will take us probably 3 seasons of recruiting to beat Canberra

And its funny how you only have about 4-5 supporters that Taylor can't coach

So basically most others on the Forum believes he can coach and deserves to see out his 3rd season , same way Potter deserved to see how he could of gone without that nutbag Mayer calling the shots

So you've conveniently changed the argument to be about Taylor's third year, funny that I've stated that he deserves this third year. So fail mate. The initial argument is about no excuses this year which you guys are making for him before the season even starts. And about defence which is terrible and has to improve.

I don't know you just like I don't know Taylor but I will almost guarantee that you don't attEnd many live games. If you did you would see that the majority of supporters aren't the biggest fans of Taylor. But what would they all know, you know it all.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I've read this thread without much comment but something seems to be missing. Can somebody please provide a quote where JT has refused to take responsibility for a loss, any loss? I always watch the post game pressers and I've seen him give reasons for losses, never excuses and it would be very odd if he refused to comment on why we lost or won. Reasons are not necessarily excuses and blame shifting doesn't seem to be his go, at least as far as I can recall.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor/

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

"The fact that during his press conference he stated: “people are going to blame that decision for the loss, that is not why we lost” actually serves the exact contradictory purpose. He has self-assigned guilt in the most cowardly of ways.

Being a poor coach is one thing, but not being able to own up to your mistakes when offered the opportunity is a whole other thing. It highlights the lack of leadership Taylor exhibits.

A man with no accountability is not one who can be followed.

Now the reason I am fixating upon the Lovett issue in this article is because it so poignantly highlights Taylor’s deficiencies as a first grade coach. Every single commentator on Channel Nine and the 2GB radio broadcast pointed out several times how problematic this positional decision was.

A quick scroll through Facebook informs me that 99 per cent of the armchair coaches would create more confidence in their decisions than Taylor.

I will again iterate, the key role of a coach on match day is to assess the current climate of the game and make changes accordingly"

Wasn't that that the match when Lovett was moved to center after Farah twice questioned Taylor's instructions and refused them?

 

[happy_tiger]

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

What agenda , you mean the winning agenda??? Okay I will stop wanting to win. So please tell me how long will it take to stop blaming the previous administration? According to you another 3 years lol. Do you read what you write. And you know what your talking about because….. either you are Jason Taylor or you are related to him. According to you , players don't even need a coach , because the coach has no part to play whatsoever in a teams performance.

We can still win a premiership and not beat a particular side

2005 we purposely avoided Parra and Melbourne as we couldn't have matched them

I'm just saying it will take us probably 3 seasons of recruiting to beat Canberra

And its funny how you only have about 4-5 supporters that Taylor can't coach

So basically most others on the Forum believes he can coach and deserves to see out his 3rd season , same way Potter deserved to see how he could of gone without that nutbag Mayer calling the shots

So you've conveniently changed the argument to be about Taylor's third year, funny that I've stated that he deserves this third year. So fail mate. The initial argument is about no excuses this year which you guys are making for him before the season even starts. And about defence which is terrible and has to improve.

I don't know you just like I don't know Taylor but I will almost guarantee that you don't attEnd many live games. If you did you would see that the majority of supporters aren't the biggest fans of Taylor. But what would they all know, you know it all.

Yeah most fans haven't played this game at the same level either , so I take their opinions like yours with a grain of salt

As I 've said for at least 4-5 years we are a sub standard side , things won't change until we roll over the previous managements errors

And as I have continually reiterated , if Taylor doesn't get us to the Top 8 he won't have a job here in 2018 , whether that is right or wrong is another question

 

[Telltails]

I've read this thread without much comment but something seems to be missing. Can somebody please provide a quote where JT has refused to take responsibility for a loss, any loss? I always watch the post game pressers and I've seen him give reasons for losses, never excuses and it would be very odd if he refused to comment on why we lost or won. Reasons are not necessarily excuses and blame shifting doesn't seem to be his go, at least as far as I can recall.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

"The fact that during his press conference he stated: “people are going to blame that decision for the loss,
that is not why we lost” actually serves the exact contradictory purpose. He has self-assigned guilt in the most cowardly of ways.

Being a poor coach is one thing, but not being able to own up to your mistakes when offered the opportunity is a whole other thing. It highlights the lack of leadership Taylor exhibits.
A man with no accountability is not one who can be followed.

Now the reason I am fixating upon the Lovett issue in this article is because it so poignantly highlights
Taylor’s deficiencies as a first grade coach. Every single commentator on Channel Nine and the 2GB radio broadcast pointed out several times how problematic this positional decision was.

A quick scroll through Facebook informs me that 99 per cent of the armchair coaches would create more confidence in their decisions than Taylor.
I will again iterate, the key role of a coach on match day is to assess the current climate of the game and make changes accordingly"

Wasn't that that the match when Lovett was moved to center after Farah twice questioned Taylor's instructions and refused them?

Ah yes
Some suggest it was the beginning of the end of their relationship - but who really knows.
The obvious choice was to put Lawrence there but instead an injured Farah was told to fill the spot
Should he of questioned the coach probably not a good decision to play Farah centre definitely not
A good decision to put Lovett there well we saw the outcome of that. So as fans we can make up our own minds about that debacle and you can bet your life their will be two schools of thoughts.

 

[TYGA]

A novel idea but perhaps JT could have coached the best out of the players contracted to the club at the time. He knew exactly the roster he had and no doubt was aware of the funding constraints. No one forced JT to sign a contract (he could have taken up one of the many offers he had elsewhere at the time) and no doubt instead of the Taylor fan boys whinging about constraints to the roster, their energy could be better spent convincing their idol to move to another club deserving of his talents.

Its too tiring to argue with someone who just plain ignores facts. Cap situation was not clear and the strategic goals were also set before these were known.

**July 2015\
\
“It’s probably about three years before we unravel the mess we have inherited,” Go said.\
\
“Every day, every week there’s a new thing we look at and go ‘oh my God’. It’s a serious issue. It’s a serious challenge.\
\
“Fans and members just want to win every week. They don’t understand**

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3d7xln/wests_tigers_chairwoman_marina_go_its_probably/?client=ms-android-samsung

If Mayer was still here, sure, fire him. But at the moment, you're shooting the ranger, not the poacher.

Was JT aware of the roster he had when he signed with the club?

DId anyone force JT to sign with the club?

Is it unreasonable that an NRL coach be expected to work with and get the best from all players in the roster he/she inherits?

When does the list of excuses wear thin? This continual argument amuses me as much as Sussan Ley being replaced by Arthur Seenodonors. Very funny indeed.

The cap is a mess and the club are doing the right things by clearing the decks for 2018 and developing youngsters whilst we are not a finals team. JT last year went about as well as could be expected and this being the final year of his contract should be finals or no new contract.

The big proviso is player retention (Moses, Teddy) and to a lesser extent Woods and Brooks.
If the players will sign on to play for JT and the Tigers and we make the 8 I will retract my continuous criticism of Taylor as he would have done a solid job.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I've read this thread without much comment but something seems to be missing. Can somebody please provide a quote where JT has refused to take responsibility for a loss, any loss? I always watch the post game pressers and I've seen him give reasons for losses, never excuses and it would be very odd if he refused to comment on why we lost or won. Reasons are not necessarily excuses and blame shifting doesn't seem to be his go, at least as far as I can recall.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

…............quote]

Wasn't that that the match when Lovett was moved to center after Farah twice questioned Taylor's instructions and refused them?

Ah yes
Some suggest it was the beginning of the end of their relationship - but who really knows.
The obvious choice was to put Lawrence there but instead an injured Farah was told to fill the spot
Should he of questioned the coach probably not a good decision to play Farah centre definitely not
A good decision to put Lovett there well we saw the outcome of that. So as fans we can make up our own minds about that debacle and you can bet your life their will be two schools of thoughts.

Long after JT has left the club and Farah finished playing I know who will be the hero welcomed back to the club. Fancy expecting a player to continue playing in a dangerous condition when injured.

 

[Harvey]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

…............quote]

Wasn't that that the match when Lovett was moved to center after Farah twice questioned Taylor's instructions and refused them?

Ah yes
Some suggest it was the beginning of the end of their relationship - but who really knows.
The obvious choice was to put Lawrence there but instead an injured Farah was told to fill the spot
Should he of questioned the coach probably not a good decision to play Farah centre definitely not
A good decision to put Lovett there well we saw the outcome of that. So as fans we can make up our own minds about that debacle and you can bet your life their will be two schools of thoughts.

Long after JT has left the club and Farah finished playing I know who will be the hero welcomed back to the club. Fancy expecting a player to continue playing in a dangerous condition when injured.

If Farah is welcomed back to the club as a hero, it will be by those fans on a day trip from the dementia ward. He will be remembered as a great player for the club, but will also be remembered for the bad taste he left in a lot of fans mouths when he started thinking the club revolved around him, and the media sideshow him and his rent a quote manager put on.

 

[Newtown]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/29/the-tigers-need-to-consider-sacking-jason-taylor

Article after that loss to Penrith at Leichhardt Oval when Lovett was shifted to centre.

…............quote]

Wasn't that that the match when Lovett was moved to center after Farah twice questioned Taylor's instructions and refused them?

Ah yes
Some suggest it was the beginning of the end of their relationship - but who really knows.
The obvious choice was to put Lawrence there but instead an injured Farah was told to fill the spot
Should he of questioned the coach probably not a good decision to play Farah centre definitely not
A good decision to put Lovett there well we saw the outcome of that. So as fans we can make up our own minds about that debacle and you can bet your life their will be two schools of thoughts.

Long after JT has left the club and Farah finished playing I know who will be the hero welcomed back to the club. Fancy expecting a player to continue playing in a dangerous condition when injured.

Yesterday's hero?

 

[Russell]

Legend or no legend - I personally hope he will never be welcomed back into the club. He has done his dash with me.

I would also like to see the club never sign another player that is managed by Sam Ayoub either. Should be treated as a non event.

 

[stryker]

He is a club legend russ deal with it you sook.