The real elephant in the room

[bobo125]

Harry is a pipe dream anyway imo. He has said he'd only do it if he could own them outright. And Wests have already stated they won't sell their share

Without giving my source - Wests will sell if the price is right. It's a direct source on Wests group board.

The conversation I had also confirmed they believe the value will change dramatically depending upon early results in 2016 (not my view).

In addition it was expressed that they are weary of taking on the full ownership commitment themselves. The board has differing views on Harry, though were entertaining the 'idea'.

Conversation was over 6 weeks ago now.

i have heard the same thing many many times over the last few months.

truth be told though - most clubs in the NRL will sell to a private owner if the price is right.
obviously they would try and learn from the debacle over at Newcastle, but the NRL competition is slowly but surely moving towards the corporate business model in the same way NFL and European Football clubs are owned and run.

 

[Ryde_Oval]

Anyone that remembers how South Melbourne Aussie Rules team became Sydney Swans…Will tell you OUR club is going along the same way, so the NRL CAN MOVE US TO PERTH!!!! One thing after another and EVERYONE just tires of ALL OUR STUFF UPS,,,Final scenario OH JUST MOVE THE BASKET CASE TO PERTH!!!!

 

[mctiger]

Anyone that remembers how South Melbourne Aussie Rules team became Sydney Swans…Will tell you OUR club is going along the same way, so the NRL CAN MOVE US TO PERTH!!!! One thing after another and EVERYONE just tires of ALL OUR STUFF UPS,,,Final scenario OH JUST MOVE THE BASKET CASE TO PERTH!!!!

It will be a long way to travel to the new $22 million centre of excellence at Liverpool’s Carnes Hill. Seriously, settle down…... :crazy

 

[Russell]

Anyone that remembers how South Melbourne Aussie Rules team became Sydney Swans…Will tell you OUR club is going along the same way, so the NRL CAN MOVE US TO PERTH!!!! One thing after another and EVERYONE just tires of ALL OUR STUFF UPS,,,Final scenario OH JUST MOVE THE BASKET CASE TO PERTH!!!!

Maybe - but they won't be moving me to Perth!

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Harry could have stepped in laterly but didn't.

As those from Balmain said they need a connection and so do I with the Wests group owning their share.

Balmain not contributing has caused issues re our inability to have a solid coaching staff and have excess cash redirected to TPAs.

Most from the Balmain side on here wanted Bailey out and didn't want the Wests group controlling the club and preffered the NRL people to step in.

These are the results.

 

[sideline_eye]

If the board is successful in their efforts to make the club as near as possible to being self sufficient over time, ownership and contributions by JV partners, whilst not disappearing altogether, will diminish. In the meantime, perhaps we can all just be WESTS TIGERS and forget about past loyalties.

 

[Tiger76]

This is a sensitive issue for Balmain Tigers fans. All comments that denigrate the Balmain partners, denigrate the Club, Wests Tigers. In the spirit of the merger, both original clubs are part owners of the NRL Team, yet Balmain risks losing that position. Of course us Balmain originals are upset by this, but we don't blame Western Suburbs Magpies because it is plain that greedy developers and stupid politicians are at the root of Balmain's problems.

We are a proud club, boasting a wide support base, arguably the best Juniors, a battlers culture and a team who regularly punches above its weight. Why on earth anybody would waste their time wishing Balmain's demise wastes their breath or words is beyond me, since the Wests Tigers are Heritage Listed, so no de-merger a la Manly, who you are free to join if you want a one-club franchise.

Harry Triguboff has been a terrific long term sponsor of the Wests Tigers, who by the way has enormously benefitted the Wests side of the merger. He is an old windbag who often makes especially unhelpful comments, but he's the only bloke who can save the Balmain side of the club. We're stuck with him, so get ready for him to come charging in to save the day and return Balmain Board members to their rightful positions in charge of the Club along with their Wests counterparts.

The Roselle Council are a joke and should just be sacked by the Government, to be replaced by administrators until an election can be held. Their biggest asset has always been the Balmain Football Club and the community is steeped in its traditions. You wouldn't take Parramatta out of Parramatta or Cronulla out of Cronulla, so why isn't Balmain worth preserving? They tried to take Souths out of the Comp and even Rupert Murdoch's best lawyers couldn't stop them from coming back.

First time post by a bloody long time fan. If there's no Balmain in Wests Tigers, there's no Rugby League for me.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This is a sensitive issue for Balmain Tigers fans. All comments that denigrate the Balmain partners, denigrate the Club, Wests Tigers. In the spirit of the merger, both original clubs are part owners of the NRL Team, yet Balmain risks losing that position. Of course us Balmain originals are upset by this, but we don't blame Western Suburbs Magpies because it is plain that greedy developers and stupid politicians are at the root of Balmain's problems.

We are a proud club, boasting a wide support base, arguably the best Juniors, a battlers culture and a team who regularly punches above its weight. Why on earth anybody would waste their time wishing Balmain's demise wastes their breath or words is beyond me, since the Wests Tigers are Heritage Listed, so no de-merger a la Manly, who you are free to join if you want a one-club franchise.

Harry Triguboff has been a terrific long term sponsor of the Wests Tigers, who by the way has enormously benefitted the Wests side of the merger. He is an old windbag who often makes especially unhelpful comments, but he's the only bloke who can save the Balmain side of the club. We're stuck with him, so get ready for him to come charging in to save the day and return Balmain Board members to their rightful positions in charge of the Club along with their Wests counterparts.

The Roselle Council are a joke and should just be sacked by the Government, to be replaced by administrators until an election can be held. Their biggest asset has always been the Balmain Football Club and the community is steeped in its traditions. You wouldn't take Parramatta out of Parramatta or Cronulla out of Cronulla, so why isn't Balmain worth preserving? They tried to take Souths out of the Comp and even Rupert Murdoch's best lawyers couldn't stop them from coming back.

First time post by a bloody long time fan. If there's no Balmain in Wests Tigers, there's no Rugby League for me.

Love the passion of fellow long term supporters of our merged former stand alone combatants and I too am loath to be witnessing the slow and painful demise of my original team. I am also not keen on Harry taking over the club, but if he truly has the club's best wishes at heart, then assistance through what would amount to pocket change for him, would be greatly appreciated.

Either way 76, and in my case, like many others, it took a few years to really embrace the merger,I will continue to support WT and hope that you stay on board as well.

 

[foreveratiger]

This is a sensitive issue for Balmain Tigers fans. All comments that denigrate the Balmain partners, denigrate the Club, Wests Tigers. In the spirit of the merger, both original clubs are part owners of the NRL Team, yet Balmain risks losing that position. Of course us Balmain originals are upset by this, but we don't blame Western Suburbs Magpies because it is plain that greedy developers and stupid politicians are at the root of Balmain's problems.

We are a proud club, boasting a wide support base, arguably the best Juniors, a battlers culture and a team who regularly punches above its weight. Why on earth anybody would waste their time wishing Balmain's demise wastes their breath or words is beyond me, since the Wests Tigers are Heritage Listed, so no de-merger a la Manly, who you are free to join if you want a one-club franchise.

Harry Triguboff has been a terrific long term sponsor of the Wests Tigers, who by the way has enormously benefitted the Wests side of the merger. He is an old windbag who often makes especially unhelpful comments, but he's the only bloke who can save the Balmain side of the club. We're stuck with him, so get ready for him to come charging in to save the day and return Balmain Board members to their rightful positions in charge of the Club along with their Wests counterparts.

The Roselle Council are a joke and should just be sacked by the Government, to be replaced by administrators until an election can be held. Their biggest asset has always been the Balmain Football Club and the community is steeped in its traditions. You wouldn't take Parramatta out of Parramatta or Cronulla out of Cronulla, so why isn't Balmain worth preserving? They tried to take Souths out of the Comp and even Rupert Murdoch's best lawyers couldn't stop them from coming back.

First time post by a bloody long time fan. If there's no Balmain in Wests Tigers, there's no Rugby League for me.

Very well said for 1st time Post . Welcome to the Mad House :wink:

 

[innsaneink]

I don't get it really.
There's not much Balmain as it standsanyway… Just an 18s & 16s rep sides.
Personally, WT have come too far (in a sense... Time frame wise at least) for me to be bothered about my previous team... But that's just me.... Maybe you have never accepted the JV totally... Hence the past overriding your future.
All the best.
Adios

 

[tottie]

Harry could have stepped in laterly but didn't.

As those from Balmain said they need a connection and so do I with the Wests group owning their share.

Balmain not contributing has caused issues re our inability to have a solid coaching staff and have excess cash redirected to TPAs.

Most from the Balmain side on here wanted Bailey out and didn't want the Wests group controlling the club and preffered the NRL people to step in.

These are the results.

This is total BS. Wests directors told Balmain directors they would lend money to them for an extra vote. Balmain said no and shortly after wests directors advised the nrl that they were concerned. The nrl came in and Balmain advised they were in trouble. Balmain directors were angry with wests fir this but knew this was coming and in hindsight probably should have just sacrificed the extra vote. The nrl lent Balmain their share and gave them 3 yrs to repay the debt.To do this both Wests and Balmain agreed to corporate restructure and change and the new voting structure was introduced with Balmain unable to vote and the Nrl having control. Since this has started the 3yr timeframe has been reduced to less than 18 months knowing Balmain cant pay (poor form) and wests directors have also commented that they are not happy with how the new deal works because the nrl sent in 4 non rugby league people who they now have to deal with and are controlled by and they believed they would be working with a more experienced team from the NRL. The coaching staff we have in JT was selected by the new board and Balmain had no voting rights and my wests director source says that wests were impressed with nathan brown but JT was a stand out in the interview process. So drop off with the crap. Balmain have plenty to answer for but not bailey being removed or this pathetic coach. To use a quote from my source the adage of better the devil you know is alive at the WT. also for the record Balmain and Wests directors are both desperate to assist in getting Balmain back as the other shareholder as they both know that with no income Balmain will default in march as the nrl expected and ensured by reducing the repayment terms.

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[Abraham]

In addition it was expressed that they are weary of taking on the full ownership commitment themselves.

This is quite concerning to be honest.

If Balmain does default, then I would much prefer that Ashfield charges in and hits the ground running.

Dithering about whether they want to own the club or not isn't a good sign. Especially when D-Day is only a matter of months away.

In any case, I still can't accept that Balmain will default (just a feeling), and hold on to the hope that a last minute deal can be made.

 

[Geo]

This is total BS. Wests directors told Balmain directors they would lend money to them for an extra vote. Balmain said no and shortly after wests directors advised the nrl that they were concerned. The nrl came in and Balmain advised they were in trouble. Balmain directors were angry with wests fir this but knew this was coming and in hindsight probably should have just sacrificed the extra vote. The nrl lent Balmain their share and gave them 3 yrs to repay the debt.To do this both Wests and Balmain agreed to corporate restructure and change and the new voting structure was introduced with Balmain unable to vote and the Nrl having control. Since this has started the 3yr timeframe has been reduced to less than 18 months knowing Balmain cant pay (poor form) and wests directors have also commented that they are not happy with how the new deal works because the nrl sent in 4 non rugby league people who they now have to deal with and are controlled by and they believed they would be working with a more experienced team from the NRL. The coaching staff we have in JT was selected by the new board and Balmain had no voting rights and my wests director source says that wests were impressed with nathan brown but JT was a stand out in the interview process. So drop off with the crap. Balmain have plenty to answer for but not bailey being removed or this pathetic coach. To use a quote from my source the adage of better the devil you know is alive at the WT. also for the record Balmain and Wests directors are both desperate to assist in getting Balmain back as the other shareholder as they both know that with no income Balmain will default in march as the nrl expected and ensured by reducing the repayment terms.

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'Facts' are a little off…

Who chooses the Independent Directors?
The Independent Directors are selected by a Board Nominations Committee.

Did the NRL appoint the current Independents?
No.

Who appointed the current independents?
Balmain and Wests.

Do the Independent Directors report to the NRL?
No, they are independent.

Who do the independents report to?
The shareholders.

http://www.weststigers.com.au/about/frequently_asked_que.html

 

[cktiger]

The 'independent' directors **are NRL appointed** and yes, like members of any board, they report to the shareholders.
They can also outvote the 2 Wests blokes anytime they want.

 

[foreveratiger]

I think having Balmain and Wests in the Harold Mathews and S.G Ball is for the ones that haven't grasped the JV don't see why there is any need to be divided at this level?

Wests Tigers brand will remain regardless of what happens and for me that is good enough to continue supporting them. The quicker we move to one ground the better things will be.

You ask a 10 to 20 year old about Wests Magpies or Balmain Tigers and it's no relevance to them as they have only ever known Wests Tigers.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don't get it really.
There's not much Balmain as it standsanyway… Just an 18s & 16s rep sides.
Personally, WT have come too far (in a sense... Time frame wise at least) for me to be bothered about my previous team... But that's just me.... Maybe you have never accepted the JV totally... Hence the past overriding your future.
All the best.
Adios

It's ironic when the old us vs them argument starts people roll their eyes and say they've moved on and are WT's fans now, yet when the topic comes up about one side being removed from ownership, they threaten to walk if it eventuates. As long as the name is Wests and the logo is a Tiger, to worry about whose running the place shows some peoples true colours shining through.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

17 years and this crap is STILL being dredged up.

It doesn't matter who owns us. There's a magpie on the sleeve, and a Tiger on the chest. That's your connection to the previous clubs.

If Balmain or Wests really matter that much to you, go follow the Harold Matts and SG Ball.

 

[Geo]

The 'independent' directors **are NRL appointed** and yes, like members of any board, they report to the shareholders.
They can also outvote the 2 Wests blokes anytime they want.

They are not …they were appointed by the Board Nominations Committee....recommendations were made by the NRL...the 3 Independents were chosen from 12 candidates...

 

[hammertime]

The 'independent' directors **are NRL appointed** and yes, like members of any board, they report to the shareholders.
They can also outvote the 2 Wests blokes anytime they want.

They are not …they were appointed by the Board Nominations Committee....recommendations were made by the NRL...the 3 Independents were chosen from 12 candidates...

Spot on Geo.
and they don't report to the NRL any more than any other board member.
ck - You do remember that Wests and Balmain had to agree to this governance structure? Do you really think they would have agreed to anything that gave the NRL control of the club?

The whole NRL controlled thing has to stop. It's just not correct.

 

[Ryde_Oval]

Geo, help me! Who is/are the Board Nominations Committee?? They are not aligned to the NRL in anyway?? Confused…More help required...Did the NRL loan Balmain 3 million??? Thanks mate