The WT Identity

[FinestTigers]

Ok mate just keep sacking coaches and you will you will happy

Sacking the coach must have to mean that the WT will make the finals next year, if this is true without any any doubt then throw all that money at the new coach even if he is a Rookie.

 

[Telltails]

Sacking coaches won't work if you don't have the talent to work with. It made jack at the Bulldogs this year and at the Bronco's. Both clubs moving players on and buying others to strengthen their squads. We have sacked/ moved on coaches before and we still can't attract players to this club. Sacking Maguire will just reinforce what Managers and players already think - we can never get it right no matter who we bring in. Sacking coaches is not a rebuild we either see this through or keep picking the bones of the leftovers that no one wants and lament those who got out to further their careers elsewhere.

 

[twentyforty]

Its not a bad timeline of what happened, it is just every quote has a huge amount of bias applied.

"A huge amount of bias applied"
Is that another way of saying its all not true?
I could be wrong but it sounds pretty accurate to me?
Cant wait for the next instalment LOL

I guess it is all Woods' fault then, as he is the only one that took any responsibility in the entire article.

Oh, I understand what your saying. Nothing in the article has convinced me one way or the other. I still believe the players could have been better managed. The couple who have admitted to behaving inappropriately have no need to feel that way. They were responding to poor treatment. The admission by Pascoe that meetings where authority was rigorously transferred, and players being signed without knowledge of those who shared responsibility says a lot about the club's culture. It also supports the views held by Bennet and Robinson.
And it supports what we all know about those who are responsible for our poor on field form.

“The Wests Tigers are always in a fight!“ Yeh.. with each other.

I wonder if the article will disclose the reasons behind our inability to sign TPJ?

 

[hodgo]

Without totally knowing the whole story I agree with the article. Along time ago we should have picked a ground renamed EVERYTHING wests tigers and just went to work. I'm a magpie originally and still think we are fighting the same war we always have. Change reserves to West tiger, pick one home ground, invest in growth areas. Just bite the bullet has to happen to grow in my opinion

 

[tony soprano]

Sacking coaches won't work if you don't have the talent to work with. It made jack at the Bulldogs this year and at the Bronco's. Both clubs moving players on and buying others to strengthen their squads. We have sacked/ moved on coaches before and we still can't attract players to this club. Sacking Maguire will just reinforce what Managers and players already think - we can never get it right no matter who we bring in. Sacking coaches is not a rebuild we either see this through or keep picking the bones of the leftovers that no one wants and lament those who got out to further their careers elsewhere.

Well said

 

[BZN]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/a-crisis-of-identity-the-real-tales-from-tiger-town-20210827-p58mm6.html

Picking over the scabs of our past, hopefully whatever lessons that were there to be learnt have been. But also hopefully whatever is media axe grinding in this article and all others out there is ignored.

WOW!!! just WOW!!! thanks for posting this @joeblock.
This has the potential for Very Interesting reading during the
'off Rugba League season'.
Happy Rugby League everyone.

 

[FinestTigers]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/a-crisis-of-identity-the-real-tales-from-tiger-town-20210827-p58mm6.html

Picking over the scabs of our past, hopefully whatever lessons that were there to be learnt have been. But also hopefully whatever is media axe grinding in this article and all others out there is ignored.

WOW!!! just WOW!!! thanks for posting this @joeblock.
This has the potential for Very Interesting reading during the
'off Rugba League season'.
Happy Rugby League everyone.

I don't have access to this article @MAGPIES1963 , but to say that we have an identity crisis i think is an exaggeration, WT are WT, the current concerns i see are, 1, PLAYERS (some more of them need to replaced) 2 a decision needs to be made on one homeground. when will the WT have one fixed address (homeground) 5years 10years never?

 

[WT2K]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/a-crisis-of-identity-the-real-tales-from-tiger-town-20210827-p58mm6.html

Picking over the scabs of our past, hopefully whatever lessons that were there to be learnt have been. But also hopefully whatever is media axe grinding in this article and all others out there is ignored.

It's a good read. Can't see the issue with it. Looking forward to part two.

 

[FinestTigers]

**What identity crisis?**
The world sure knew who the **WT** were in 2005.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

**What identity crisis?**
The world sure new who the **WT** were in 2005.

As much time has passed since 05, as time had passed in 05 since 89, and by 05, the 89 gf was pretty irrelevant. Kids are growing up now totally oblivious to what happened in 05. That’s how long ago it was.

 

[Furious1]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/a-crisis-of-identity-the-real-tales-from-tiger-town-20210827-p58mm6.html

Picking over the scabs of our past, hopefully whatever lessons that were there to be learnt have been. But also hopefully whatever is media axe grinding in this article and all others out there is ignored.

I thought that was a good article, if tragic. Hope the club learns something.

This is a great article. Not clickbait or emotive but just a reasonable catalogue of the mistakes that most of us have watched the club make from the outside and shook our heads. Most readers probably don’t know the history like we do and just think we are a useless club when I reality we are not a useless club we have been let done by a series of mistakes dating back to our inception. We are a laughing stock today. The average rugby league fans views as a joke despite clubs like the bulldogs having won about 2 games in 2 years. We are perceived as a basket case but I think that we have actually moved on, we were a basket case 5 or 6 years ago but we are moving on and we just need the club leadership to stick on this path, support the coach, the recruitment staff and the players. And we need a bloody home ground to call our own. We don’t need to convince everyone else about our identity. We just need a home ground where these young players can play week in week out and win, create a culture and a reputation and an identity of their own.

**I disagree. I think there is an obvious agenda in there. It is very pro madge**. The break-up of his coaching record does not call out that it went off a cliff following souths premiership.

Infighting in the board is now history & no longer an excuse.

It has given previous coaches a stage to blame someone else. Taylor in particular.

There are a couple of very interesting quotes there:
JT: “The idea was to basically have Wehbe coach the team, and Pascoe saw that as a way to sign the players,” Taylor admits. “It should have been a simple path to sign them all up but they were all managed by the same person. It made the process more difficult.”

If true that leaves me with real concerns about Pascoe.

Woods: “I’m not proud of how things went down,” Woods tells the Herald. “At the time I thought what I was doing was right, but looking back I should’ve handled things differently.”

“I was the captain of the Wests Tigers. I grew up around the corner from Leichhardt Oval. I lost sight of what that meant and the responsibility I had continuing the legacy of the guys that came before me.

“I will always love the club. It kills me that we are sitting here today and the club still hasn’t played finals football. I didn’t wish that upon the club. It’s a club that should have its name up in lights, not people shitting on it all the time.”

Someone is in need of a contract.

Looking forward to part 2. Maguire's new nickname should be NMF - not my fault

I'm not sure where you get that from mate. It was only a month ago every man and his dog was accusing Chammas of having a personal vendetta against Madge.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

How funny is Woods. Obviously trying to butter the club up for a contract.

 

[Needaname]

**What identity crisis?**
The world sure new who the **WT** were in 2005.

Problem is it was a whirlwind season of success.
Full credit to the coach, staff and everyone involved but it came and went without any real plan for any long term success. I put that on the self interests of both foundation clubs the pending collapse of Balmain and the in fighting within Wests.
Just think if our club off the field was alligned at the start of 2003 and performed as well as Sheens did by end of 2005 we would of been much stronger for it. But winning the 2005 premiership was similar to the Panthers winning in 2003. Both sides again began to build again 2009 and have a really good year in 2010 when everything came together for them but success left as quickly as it came once again.
Unfortunately for us we just keep the vehicle in cruise control while the Panthers stopped the vehicle and replaced the engine.

 

[Lauren]

How difficult would it be to exactly prove the Wests Tigers have had an ongoing identity crisis?
At present we have a number of home grounds and a roster turnover which surpasses any other club.
There's a decades worth of failed objectives and expectations, divided departments and team instability, poor goal setting and onfield success.
Ofcourse it's only natural to portray the team as having an unclear identity due to the volatity its endured but most of the content in the article, only makes the poor organisational identity/brand and incompetent management - which we all already know - the focal point.
What is the motive behind this?
Everyone knows where the source of most our problems have stemmed from and that the current team are a product of this but when is something constructive ever going to be offered.

The Wests Tigers lack of success would have to be the easiest subject matter to discuss, and while I do think it's a well written article with some compelling facts. That he has applied a great use of precision and formality in advancing his arguments, it doesn't really tell us anything new.
It's all interpretation as far as I'm concerned and at present I only care about how the team is characterised and how we reinvent our brand. That this should be the main priority for the club.
We've basically recalibrated the whole structure of the club since 2012 so I don't understand the agenda when it's obvious we're currently going through another rebuild process and our biggest challenge is attracting players.
What's the purpose of yet another opinion piece which possibly influences this?

Also, what's the go with making mention of the onfield jibes the players are receiving due to the doco?

 

[frullens]

Can't see how after reading the article- it can be argues shafting Madge now is a good idea.

Need to provide stability, right the ship and change the culture of player power.

Change at board, ceo level though should be reviewed.

And a clearer strategy around out identity and future needs to be made public

 

[mike]

Can't see how after reading the article- it can be argues shafting Madge now is a good idea.

Need to provide stability, right the ship and change the culture of player power.

Change at board, ceo level though should be reviewed.

**And a clearer strategy around out identity and future needs to be made public**

Except it doesn’t, the board is not answerable to anyone.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Yeah somehow I can’t see the board deciding to replace itself.

 

[twentyforty]

How difficult would it be to exactly prove the Wests Tigers have had an ongoing identity crisis?
At present we have a number of home grounds and a roster turnover which surpasses any other club.
There's a decades worth of failed objectives and expectations, divided departments and team instability, poor goal setting and onfield success.
Ofcourse it's only natural to portray the team as having an unclear identity due to the volatity its endured but most of the content in the article, only makes the poor organisational identity/brand and incompetent management - which we all already know - the focal point.
What is the motive behind this?
Everyone knows where the source of most our problems have stemmed from and that the current team are a product of this but when is something constructive ever going to be offered.

The Wests Tigers lack of success would have to be the easiest subject matter to discuss, and while I do think it's a well written article with some compelling facts. That he has applied a great use of precision and formality in advancing his arguments, it doesn't really tell us anything new.
It's all interpretation as far as I'm concerned and at present I only care about how the team is characterised and how we reinvent our brand. That this should be the main priority for the club.
We've basically recalibrated the whole structure of the club since 2012 so I don't understand the agenda when it's obvious we're currently going through another rebuild process and our biggest challenge is attracting players.
What's the purpose of yet another opinion piece which possibly influences this?

Also, what's the go with making mention of the onfield jibes the players are receiving due to the doco?

Your support of the club is admirable. Does there really need to be an agenda , other than news sells, bad news sells more?
I’m convinced that journalists sift through the forums to find their next story.

 

[Lauren]

Can't seem to reply directly sorry @twentyforty.
No I'm as miserable as any other supporter just don't get why we can continue to beat this dead horse.

We're not the only basket case in the NRL is my point.
Our best asset is our junior pathways and until their success blossoms into first grade, we urgently need better quality recruits.

IDRC for the accuracy of it.
We watched this all unfold ourselves and shouldn't need someone else to bring it to our attention.
I've read many of a good post on the forum raise the same facts he's stated. So for me, he's pretty much used our historical challenges to influence the reader. It's clever and all but it's still totally subjective.
It's such a shame we're only an easy sell in the media.

 

[cochise]

Can't seem to reply directly sorry @twentyforty.
No I'm as miserable as any other supporter just don't get why we can continue to beat this dead horse.

We're not the only basket case in the NRL is my point.
Our best asset is our junior pathways and until their success blossoms into first grade, we urgently need better quality recruits.

IDRC for the accuracy of it.
We watched this all unfold ourselves and shouldn't need someone else to bring it to our attention.
I've read many of a good post on the forum raise the same facts he's stated. So for me, he's pretty much used our historical challenges to influence the reader. It's clever and all but it's still totally subjective.
It's such a shame we're only an easy sell in the media.

Spot on @lauren, it also allowed old dinosaurs to raise their excuses again of it not being their fault and shift the blame.