Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap

[SeanT]

If it doesn't eventuate then I would love a reason why.

 

[Geo]

Another brilliant show of proactiveness and forward-thinking by Greenturd and co. Players and fans have been screaming for transfer windows, expansion and better contracting systems, yet every year the NRL use Murdoch's rags to push propaganda as to why none of them will work. Seriously, these guys are ruining the game.

Pretty sure the players union said no as well. As they have done for a few years. Hopefully this is. A moment in time that changes a few things. (Punctuation fail. Can’t be bothered)

I thought I read somewhere that the players union had given it the green light. Can’t find the article though.

They have said No to trade windows..

 

[Harvey]

Reason will be it was of benefit to the tigers. Will have it in place in a year or two when one of the golden clubs want to use it.

The official reason will be gibberish around further investigations and frameworks required, in other words corporate speak for it was too hard.

 

[Spartan117]

Storm have to be prepared to pay what Momo is on and we have to be prepared to pay what grant is on. That's not unreasonable, and it's how it's done in many sports. Unless a club needs to chip in for an overpaid player.

There couldn't be more than 50k difference in their salaries anyway. It really is chicken feed stuff, and needs to be focused on how the nrl can support young players getting more game time

Nrl have contract values registered already.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Reason will be it was of benefit to the tigers. Will have it in place in a year or two when one of the golden clubs want to use it.

The official reason will be gibberish around further investigations and frameworks required, in other words corporate speak for it was too hard.

This swap benefits Melbourne as much as it does us.

 

[diedpretty]

Storm have to be prepared to pay what Momo is on and we have to be prepared to pay what grant is on. That's not unreasonable, and it's how it's done in many sports. Unless a club needs to chip in for an overpaid player.

There couldn't be more than 50k difference in their salaries anyway. It really is chicken feed stuff, and needs to be focused on how the nrl can support young players getting more game time

i don't think that is the issue. Even though Melbourne will only pay Grants salary on their books for salary cap purposes they will have to carry Momos value. So if Momos value is 100k more then they will have to deduct that extra 100k from their cap even if they are not paying it. And it appears they are baulking at doing that.

 

[TheDaBoss]

It aint hard NRL, it aint rocket science


work it out

 

[hammertime]

Can't both clubs just release the guys and re-sign for next year?

 

[Goldust]

The Nrl trying to act like their contracts mean something 😂

 

[jadtiger]

If it doesn't eventuate then I would love a reason why.

Sir Humphrey Appleby of the NRL aka Greenberg will give 15 mins of spin and evasions without making any sense but deny the arrangement.Only to change his mind for Souffs Rorters or Donkeys later in the future if they want one.It will probably involve "Fairness not Equality" getting a mention and will have more spin than our federal government.

 

[twentyforty]

Can't both clubs just release the guys and resign for next year?

There must be someone who doesn’t want that to happen? I suspect someone at Storm?

 

[The_Patriot]

Can't both clubs just release the guys and resign for next year?


There must be someone who doesn’t want that to happen? I suspect someone at Storm?

I'd point the finger at the Eels or Panthers having a sook.

 

[Newtown]

Well the season is very close to beginning and I presume that neither Grant nor Momo have trained with their supposed new 2020 club. Not good for either club.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Disappointing that NRL can't sort this out.

Upsides, at worst, we keep Momo which is a plus, and we put MBye in at hooker and if he fails we give Walters and/or Simpkins a crack which could go well.
And, Storm are down a player they wanted for this year (Momo), which is another plus.

Storm on a huge decline.
Theyre gonna fizzle.

Cam and Craig walk away from a sinking ship.

Munster turns down captaincy gig.
Prob wants out.
Can see him heading to the dragons.

They’re still a top 4 side. They always will be with Bellamy.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Can't both clubs just release the guys and resign for next year?


There must be someone who doesn’t want that to happen? I suspect someone at Storm?

I'd point the finger at the Eels or Panthers having a sook.

What about Gus. Wasn’t he behind the Pascoe/Farah thing?

 

[Demps]

Disappointing that NRL can't sort this out.

Upsides, at worst, we keep Momo which is a plus, and we put MBye in at hooker and if he fails we give Walters and/or Simpkins a crack which could go well.
And, Storm are down a player they wanted for this year (Momo), which is another plus.

Storm on a huge decline.
Theyre gonna fizzle.

Cam and Craig walk away from a sinking ship.

Munster turns down captaincy gig.
Prob wants out.
Can see him heading to the dragons.

They’re still a top 4 side. They always will be with Bellamy.

Times are changing.

Bellamy won't be around forever.

 

[jirskyr]

I thought V'landy just got things done. Another prophet promising a new dawn for the game that turns out to be completely false.

Compared to AFL this is an amateur sport.

I have a colleague at work who is a mad AFL supporter. Every time we chat I walk away convinced NRL is amateur hour compared to AFL

That's because your mate is a blind AFL cheerleader who doesn't pay attention to their own mistakes and shortcomings.

AFL concussion protocols? After NRL
Specific indigenous recognition and indigenous matches? After NRL and no
Governing body statements regarding inclusiveness and pro-rights performances at Grand Finals? After NRL and no
Women's round? After NRL
Successful inter-state series? No
Successful expansion franchies? 50/50
Lack of drink driving and drug infringements of players? No
Lack of off-field scandal? No
First club to be busted for performance enhancers? AFL
Lack of salary cap breaches? No
Increasing TV performance of key matches? No

Thing about AFL is that it is so quasi-religious down South, that they get away with a lot less scrutiny and a lot more blind following. There's a public holiday in Melbourne specifically for the Grand Final! That would never officially wash in Sydney. Folks there will attend AFL matches regardless, it's just part of what they do, like how Kiwis play rugby. AFL and Rugby are, IMO, inferior games and viewing spectacles, but it's part of their culture and they don't know any differently.

Sport in Sydney is different, there's always been more even competition for fans - even just including the rugby and league schism that does not have any power in Melbourne at all. Sydney fans are more cynical, less indoctrinated, less tribal. Rugby League is not on a pedestal, it has always been a working-man's game since its inception, always battling against the upper classes, always looking for relevance and prestige, always full of in-fighting and passion and strain. League in England is the same, that's its roots.

Furthermore, as of 2016 63.3% of Melbournians are Australian born, whereas 57.1% for Sydney, so almost half of all Sydney-sides were born overseas. Larger immigration intake usually means smaller and slower adoption of local sporting culture.

It's not to say that AFL didn't make good decisions, but AFL didn't have to spend so much time and money healing the Super League war, which was as much about media power-mongering as actual in-fighting by rugby league factions. The NRL is the son of two major sport schisms (from rugby then Super League), the effects which are still felt within the game today.

So on the back of greater stability, superior in-game crowds and a much earlier and higher adoption of club memberships, AFL has had more money over several decades to spend. That is the major difference between the codes; it's not some sort of mad professional operational difference, with geniuses at AFL and dopes at NRL, it's just longer-term ability to burn money whilst trying to expand their code.

So people who talk up AFL governance are the same idiots who talk up coffee in Melbourne being superior to anywhere else, or pretending there aren't bioorganic wines or microbreweries outside of Victoria.

 

[Tiger5150]

zzz NRL ARE A BLOODY JOKE. Take so long to decide they can’t decide. Couldn’t get a crap to stink! Unbelievable from a professional sporting body. Should be selling raffle tickets in a pub. Their incompetence and reactive governance is absolutely laughable. Where’s the broom?

I want this to happen as much as any Tigers fan, but to me the issue is pretty clear. Momo will put Storm over the cap. We would scream if it was Parra or Souffs

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Disappointing that NRL can't sort this out.

Upsides, at worst, we keep Momo which is a plus, and we put MBye in at hooker and if he fails we give Walters and/or Simpkins a crack which could go well.
And, Storm are down a player they wanted for this year (Momo), which is another plus.

Storm on a huge decline.
Theyre gonna fizzle.

Cam and Craig walk away from a sinking ship.

Munster turns down captaincy gig.
Prob wants out.
Can see him heading to the dragons.

They’re still a top 4 side. They always will be with Bellamy.

Times are changing.

Bellamy won't be around forever.

If he can get them up there this year his a MIRACLE MAN

 

[tigger]

I thought V'landy just got things done. Another prophet promising a new dawn for the game that turns out to be completely false.

Compared to AFL this is an amateur sport.

I have a colleague at work who is a mad AFL supporter. Every time we chat I walk away convinced NRL is amateur hour compared to AFL

That's because your mate is a blind AFL cheerleader who doesn't pay attention to their own mistakes and shortcomings.

AFL concussion protocols? After NRL
Specific indigenous recognition and indigenous matches? After NRL and no
Governing body statements regarding inclusiveness and pro-rights performances at Grand Finals? After NRL and no
Women's round? After NRL
Successful inter-state series? No
Successful expansion franchies? 50/50
Lack of drink driving and drug infringements of players? No
Lack of off-field scandal? No
First club to be busted for performance enhancers? AFL
Lack of salary cap breaches? No
Increasing TV performance of key matches? No

Thing about AFL is that it is so quasi-religious down South, that they get away with a lot less scrutiny and a lot more blind following. There's a public holiday in Melbourne specifically for the Grand Final! That would never officially wash in Sydney. Folks there will attend AFL matches regardless, it's just part of what they do, like how Kiwis play rugby. AFL and Rugby are, IMO, inferior games and viewing spectacles, but it's part of their culture and they don't know any differently.

Sport in Sydney is different, there's always been more even competition for fans - even just including the rugby and league schism that does not have any power in Melbourne at all. Sydney fans are more cynical, less indoctrinated, less tribal. Rugby League is not on a pedestal, it has always been a working-man's game since its inception, always battling against the upper classes, always looking for relevance and prestige, always full of in-fighting and passion and strain. League in England is the same, that's its roots.

Furthermore, as of 2016 63.3% of Melbournians are Australian born, whereas 57.1% for Sydney, so almost half of all Sydney-sides were born overseas. Larger immigration intake usually means smaller and slower adoption of local sporting culture.

It's not to say that AFL didn't make good decisions, but AFL didn't have to spend so much time and money healing the Super League war, which was as much about media power-mongering as actual in-fighting by rugby league factions. The NRL is the son of two major sport schisms (from rugby then Super League), the effects which are still felt within the game today.

So on the back of greater stability, superior in-game crowds and a much earlier and higher adoption of club memberships, AFL has had more money over several decades to spend. That is the major difference between the codes; it's not some sort of mad professional operational difference, with geniuses at AFL and dopes at NRL, it's just longer-term ability to burn money whilst trying to expand their code.

So people who talk up AFL governance are the same idiots who talk up coffee in Melbourne being superior to anywhere else, or pretending there aren't bioorganic wines or microbreweries outside of Victoria.

I agree with everything you have said here except for the comment about the coffee.
AFL also has some very nasty "tribal" issues at grass roots level. When we first came to Melbourne (22 yrs ago) my eldest boy played a couple of seasons for a local Aussie rules club (12 and 13 year olds). I was appalled by the abuse hurled at the young umpires and the fact that it was a VFL requirement that they be escorted to and from the field by club officials.
Things may have changed but I never saw that in either Rugby or Rugby league.
AFL has a very poor underlying culture.
(P.S. My eldest son has seen the error of his ways and like the prodigal has returned to the West Tigers fold)