Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap

[Hangonaminute]

Can we make him a 3yr offer?

 

[twentyforty]

Typical head in the and approach by the NRL. That said it might still work out ok for us.

I disagree entirely. For once the NRL is heads up looking at the issue squarely.
Heads in the sand would mean they turn a blind eye to a 'darling' team and let them get by with a breach. They haven't done that.
Unfortunately we miss out as a result but it is anything but head in the sand.


When this all started not one person thought that Momirovskis contract should be paid for by the Storm.

Head in the sand is to be a stickler for the rules rather than look at the situation. We are lending this player to the Storm, why should they pay him what we determine he is worth. Its only a loan.

Both clubs have determined the players to be of equal value.

Lots of ways to look at and rule on this but the NRL chose one, the only one that puts a stop to this revolutionary and game changing idea.

I think you're wrong. Momo's market value is what we are paying him. At the end of this year it might be different but for now its what his current contract value is. Same with Grant - his market value is his current contract amount. You can't just adjust the figures to fit a situation you want to happen.


Yes but thats what we are paying him. We are willing to give him up for a player of lesser value. Thats our choice and should come off our cap. He is our player not a Storm player.

Thats where we differ - as far as i'm concerend for the period he is at the storm he is a storm player and they have to pay what his current contract is.

Can certainly agree on this point and every single NRL contract is already always considered as exactly that until cessation between the two parties is agreed. Most people seem to be getting their knickers in a knot because it is directly between two clubs, but it must be remembered that there are four individual negotiations making up this collective for proposed change, just as there would be if players were going to different clubs.

What are the four individual negotiations?

 

[rustycage]

If only rugby league players were still sales reps and cellar men. Life was much simpler then.

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

Wouldn't it give us a boost if he seeked a release from melbourne, they allowed it and we signed him long term, kept momo and medically retired packer and got another prop. Praying for this. You never know with the nrl. Even by June 30

 

[Tim Sheens]

Typical head in the and approach by the NRL. That said it might still work out ok for us.

I disagree entirely. For once the NRL is heads up looking at the issue squarely.
Heads in the sand would mean they turn a blind eye to a 'darling' team and let them get by with a breach. They haven't done that.
Unfortunately we miss out as a result but it is anything but head in the sand.


When this all started not one person thought that Momirovskis contract should be paid for by the Storm.

Head in the sand is to be a stickler for the rules rather than look at the situation. We are lending this player to the Storm, why should they pay him what we determine he is worth. Its only a loan.

Both clubs have determined the players to be of equal value.

Lots of ways to look at and rule on this but the NRL chose one, the only one that puts a stop to this revolutionary and game changing idea.

I think you're wrong. Momo's market value is what we are paying him. At the end of this year it might be different but for now its what his current contract value is. Same with Grant - his market value is his current contract amount. You can't just adjust the figures to fit a situation you want to happen.


Yes but thats what we are paying him. We are willing to give him up for a player of lesser value. Thats our choice and should come off our cap. He is our player not a Storm player.

Thats where we differ - as far as i'm concerend for the period he is at the storm he is a storm player and they have to pay what his current contract is.

Can certainly agree on this point and every single NRL contract is already always considered as exactly that until cessation between the two parties is agreed. Most people seem to be getting their knickers in a knot because it is directly between two clubs, but it must be remembered that there are four individual negotiations making up this collective for proposed change, just as there would be if players were going to different clubs.


What are the four individual negotiations?

Two clubs, each making arrangements with two players

 

[tony soprano]

U can Tell he wants out even using the welfare card. I agree with him, but why did he re-sign with storm knowing his behind smith. Should of signed with another club.

At the time Smith was 50/50 (apparently) on whether to play on. I guess Grant could accept one more year of development but had the sense to put a clause into his contract for 2021 in case Smith decides to play on longer.
This whole trade shows what type of a person Smith is. You'd think for the sake of $16k ($8k after tax), with the contract he is on Smith would take a pay cut to give the club cap space to allow the swap to happen.
No doubt Benji, Lawrence or Farah would do that for us.

Good point he said him and momo are on minimal wage too

 

[twentyforty]

Typical head in the and approach by the NRL. That said it might still work out ok for us.

I disagree entirely. For once the NRL is heads up looking at the issue squarely.
Heads in the sand would mean they turn a blind eye to a 'darling' team and let them get by with a breach. They haven't done that.
Unfortunately we miss out as a result but it is anything but head in the sand.


When this all started not one person thought that Momirovskis contract should be paid for by the Storm.

Head in the sand is to be a stickler for the rules rather than look at the situation. We are lending this player to the Storm, why should they pay him what we determine he is worth. Its only a loan.

Both clubs have determined the players to be of equal value.

Lots of ways to look at and rule on this but the NRL chose one, the only one that puts a stop to this revolutionary and game changing idea.

I think you're wrong. Momo's market value is what we are paying him. At the end of this year it might be different but for now its what his current contract value is. Same with Grant - his market value is his current contract amount. You can't just adjust the figures to fit a situation you want to happen.


Yes but thats what we are paying him. We are willing to give him up for a player of lesser value. Thats our choice and should come off our cap. He is our player not a Storm player.

Thats where we differ - as far as i'm concerend for the period he is at the storm he is a storm player and they have to pay what his current contract is.

Can certainly agree on this point and every single NRL contract is already always considered as exactly that until cessation between the two parties is agreed. Most people seem to be getting their knickers in a knot because it is directly between two clubs, but it must be remembered that there are four individual negotiations making up this collective for proposed change, just as there would be if players were going to different clubs.


What are the four individual negotiations?

Two clubs, each making arrangements with two players

I can’t see the four negotiations?
Just two clubs asking two questions.
Harry, do you want to play with the Tigers this year?
Moma, would you like to join the Storm for a year?
The contracts in terms of entitlement s remain the same. If they were any different then the nrl would reject them on that basis.
I think Storm have to let Harry go and worry about Smith playing on if and when it happens. Otherwise they’ll lose Harry altogether.

 

[tigerap]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

 

[JC99]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

 

[tigerap]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

if that's the case, to make this work all Momo had to do was take $15k less this year and add that to his next Tigers deal.

 

[JD Tiger]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

if that's the case, to make this work all Momo had to do was take $15k less this year and add that to his next Tigers deal.

So we have to pay him $15k more because Storm won't? That's not fair to us. I know it's a comparatively little bit, but still.

 

[TSupps05]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

if that's the case, to make this work all Momo had to do was take $15k less this year and add that to his next Tigers deal.

But i think Grant is on minimum wage and for Momirovski to take 15k less would put him under that threshold and therefore the contract wouldn't work.

 

[TheDaBoss]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/find-a-way-to-make-it-happen-matty-johns-wants-nrl-to-approve-stormtigers-swap-deal/news-story/3fcfb8f2ab636f1c5f92afcfd9052b0b

 

[Tim Sheens]

Typical head in the and approach by the NRL. That said it might still work out ok for us.

I disagree entirely. For once the NRL is heads up looking at the issue squarely.
Heads in the sand would mean they turn a blind eye to a 'darling' team and let them get by with a breach. They haven't done that.
Unfortunately we miss out as a result but it is anything but head in the sand.


When this all started not one person thought that Momirovskis contract should be paid for by the Storm.u

Head in the sand is to be a stickler for the rules rather than look at the situation. We are lending this player to the Storm, why should they pay him what we determine he is worth. Its only a loan.

Both clubs have determined the players to be of equal value.

Lots of ways to look at and rule on this but the NRL chose one, the only one that puts a stop to this revolutionary and game changing idea.

I think you're wrong. Momo's market value is what we are paying him. At the end of this year it might be different but for now its what his current contract value is. Same with Grant - his market value is his current contract amount. You can't just adjust the figures to fit a situation you want to happen.


Yes but thats what we are paying him. We are willing to give him up for a player of lesser value. Thats our choice and should come off our cap. He is our player not a Storm player.

Thats where we differ - as far as i'm concerend for the period he is at the storm he is a storm player and they have to pay what his current contract is.

Can certainly agree on this point and every single NRL contract is already always considered as exactly that until cessation between the two parties is agreed. Most people seem to be getting their knickers in a knot because it is directly between two clubs, but it must be remembered that there are four individual negotiations making up this collective for proposed change, just as there would be if players were going to different clubs.


What are the four individual negotiations?

Two clubs, each making arrangements with two players


I can’t see the four negotiations?
Just two clubs asking two questions.
Harry, do you want to play with the Tigers this year?
Moma, would you like to join the Storm for a year?
The contracts in terms of entitlement s remain the same. If they were any different then the nrl would reject them on that basis.
I think Storm have to let Harry go and worry about Smith playing on if and when it happens. Otherwise they’ll lose Harry altogether.

Sure, the direct player discussions commenced with the words "would you consider" or to that effect being asked, but that was only the beginning. Each player is/was at worst going to receive the same contract payment as it forms part of the registering, but there were negotiations/arrangements going on between each club, each manager and each player.

Flights were provided to view and speak to the respective club officials, addressing their roles with coaches, insurances, accommodation and moving costs etcetera. Basically, this process has consumed many hours of each of all involved and I find it very poor of the NRL to have this situation drag on for weeks, especially when over such a paltry sum that for mine should not even be considered as part of the agreement.

I can't comment on the abilities of Grant, as I have never seen him play, so will defer to others here who rate him very highly and our coach's decision to use him in the role. I do though see at least one young man that has been distressed by this process and his welfare, which has always been part of the discussion is now at the forefront.

 

[JC99]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

if that's the case, to make this work all Momo had to do was take $15k less this year and add that to his next Tigers deal.

He’s on close to minimum wage this year, taking $15k off him for this year would be a big loss for him. I could understand why he might not want to do that.

 

[twentyforty]

Storm should conditionally release Grant from his contract effective immediately.

Conditions being:


1) He can only sign a 1 year deal for 2020 with WT.
2) Storm have the last right/offer on his contract for 2021+


We can fit both Grant and Momo in our 2020 cap

Storm could ask us to do similar with Momo, i have a feeling this will happen once the $15 k has been and gone. The piece with Grant yesterday in the herald probably wouldnt sit well with the storm, unless they know its still bubbling behind the scenes. It could be seen as though the NRL are affecting the mental well being of two players, which could also be a reason for Grant to speak out.

As far as I could tell this was the original plan right? Both guys were having their contracts cancelled, signing a one year deal with the other club then signing back on for 2021 and 2022 with their original clubs

Only reason it didn’t work is because Storm didn’t have the salary cap for it, that’s why Grant wants to come to us without Momirovski being sent to storm

if that's the case, to make this work all Momo had to do was take $15k less this year and add that to his next Tigers deal.

He’s on close to minimum wage this year, taking $15k off him for this year would be a big loss for him. I could understand why he might not want to do that.

I thought the nrl was quite clear about the contracts remaining the same, not similar, exactly the same?
Therefore if they aren’t the same then of course they would be rejected. imo

 

[hammertime]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/find-a-way-to-make-it-happen-matty-johns-wants-nrl-to-approve-stormtigers-swap-deal/news-story/3fcfb8f2ab636f1c5f92afcfd9052b0b

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>"The reasoning? Because the Storm had incorrectly crunched their salary cap numbers and it would have tipped Melbourne $16,000 over the $9.8 million limit."

I find it hard to believe this. The Storm must have given them the wrong set of books.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Dragons just signed Billy Brittain as cover for Cam McInnes injury. I wonder if we had him in mind as a back up plan if the swap deal fell through?

 

[TheDaBoss]

@nrlsurvivor source?