happy_tiger
Well-known member
@innsaneink said:
They all went missing last week Ink I thought Robbie and Keefy were two of our better players (Not that means much with that insipid performance)
They all went missing last week Ink I thought Robbie and Keefy were two of our better players (Not that means much with that insipid performance)
Bolters galore NSW State of Origin side picked on stats
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From: The Daily Telegraph
May 19, 2011 5:15PM
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CANTERBURY youngster Tim Lafai will probably play Toyota Cup this week - kind of strange for a player who should be in the NSW Origin team.
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Well, according to the stats anyway.
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The Daily Telegraph has crunched the numbers to determine a NSW team based on NRL SuperCoach stats – and there are bolters galore.
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Lafai, Panthers winger David Simmons and Warriors playmaker James Maloney all make the grade.
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Seven players from the actual NSW team make the NSW SuperCoach side – Akuila Uate, Mark Gasnier, Greg Bird, Paul Gallen, Kade Snowden, Tim Mannah and Ben Creagh.
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See full team below
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Fullback:
Jarryd Hayne (average points 61.43) gets the nod over William Hopoate (61.4) by the tiniest of margins (0.03 of a point). Michael Gordon (75) would have won the spot, but was not considered due to injury, while Stewart Mills (62) was deemed to have not played enough games.
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Wingers:
Akuila Uate (46) and David Simmons (47) take the flanks, despite each being a fair way down the list of CTWs. The following players were not considered: Michael Gordon (75, injury), Stewart Mills (62, not enough games), Jason Nightingale (55, NZ), Matt Duffie (51, NZ), Kalifa Faifai Loa (49, NZ), Darius Boyd (50, Qld), Ashley Graham (50, Qld), Antonio Winterstein (48, Qld).
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Centres:
Mark Gasnier (68) was a clear choice, averaging a full 16 points more than his nearest rival Lafai (52). Matt Cooper (57, rep retirement), Alex Glenn (56, NZ), Chris Lawrence (56, injury), Elijah Taylor (55, NZ), Steve Matai (53, NZ) and Beau Champion (52, injury) would have scored Lafai’s spot, but were not considered.
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Five-eighth: Greg Bird (58) wins the spot, ahead of Luke Lewis (57), Feleti Mateo (56) and Jamie Soward (55). James Maloney (61) would have won the position, but he has been named at halfback. Ashley Harrison (74, Qld) and Benji Marshall (67, NZ) were ineligible.
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Halfback:
Maloney (61) is a clear winner ahead of Jamie Soward (55). Johnathan Thurston (76, Qld) is the only halfback who averages higher than Maloney.
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Props:
Aiden Tolman (77) and Luke Bailey (66) get the starting spots, with Kade Snowden (62) and Tim Mannah (58) on the bench. NSW have a clear statistical advantage at prop. Only Ben Hannant (61, Qld)) and Dave Taylor (58, Qld) would have scored spots if eligible.
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Hooker:
Despite carrying an injury all year, **Robbie Farah (58)** is a clear winner ahead of Jamie Buhrer (52) and Michael Ennis (50). Only Cameron Smith (83, Qld) would have beaten Farah to the spot if eligible.
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Back row:
Paul Gallen (85) is first player picked. **Chris Heighington (70)** and Anthony Watmough (67) take the other starting spots, while Trent Waterhouse (65) and Ben Creagh (64) fill the bench. The final interchange spot was given to Creagh (rather than the usual backline utility) because of the value of back rowers in SuperCoach. NSW hold a clear advantage here also. Only Corey Parker (89, Qld) and Ashley Harrison (74, Qld) could have forced their way into the team if eligible.
Of course we already know this.
Its been this way for years.
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From: The Daily Telegraph
May 19, 2011 5:15PM
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CANTERBURY youngster Tim Lafai will probably play Toyota Cup this week - kind of strange for a player who should be in the NSW Origin team.
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Well, according to the stats anyway.
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The Daily Telegraph has crunched the numbers to determine a NSW team based on NRL SuperCoach stats – and there are bolters galore.
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Lafai, Panthers winger David Simmons and Warriors playmaker James Maloney all make the grade.
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Seven players from the actual NSW team make the NSW SuperCoach side – Akuila Uate, Mark Gasnier, Greg Bird, Paul Gallen, Kade Snowden, Tim Mannah and Ben Creagh.
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See full team below
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Fullback:
Jarryd Hayne (average points 61.43) gets the nod over William Hopoate (61.4) by the tiniest of margins (0.03 of a point). Michael Gordon (75) would have won the spot, but was not considered due to injury, while Stewart Mills (62) was deemed to have not played enough games.
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Wingers:
Akuila Uate (46) and David Simmons (47) take the flanks, despite each being a fair way down the list of CTWs. The following players were not considered: Michael Gordon (75, injury), Stewart Mills (62, not enough games), Jason Nightingale (55, NZ), Matt Duffie (51, NZ), Kalifa Faifai Loa (49, NZ), Darius Boyd (50, Qld), Ashley Graham (50, Qld), Antonio Winterstein (48, Qld).
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Centres:
Mark Gasnier (68) was a clear choice, averaging a full 16 points more than his nearest rival Lafai (52). Matt Cooper (57, rep retirement), Alex Glenn (56, NZ), Chris Lawrence (56, injury), Elijah Taylor (55, NZ), Steve Matai (53, NZ) and Beau Champion (52, injury) would have scored Lafai’s spot, but were not considered.
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Five-eighth: Greg Bird (58) wins the spot, ahead of Luke Lewis (57), Feleti Mateo (56) and Jamie Soward (55). James Maloney (61) would have won the position, but he has been named at halfback. Ashley Harrison (74, Qld) and Benji Marshall (67, NZ) were ineligible.
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Halfback:
Maloney (61) is a clear winner ahead of Jamie Soward (55). Johnathan Thurston (76, Qld) is the only halfback who averages higher than Maloney.
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Props:
Aiden Tolman (77) and Luke Bailey (66) get the starting spots, with Kade Snowden (62) and Tim Mannah (58) on the bench. NSW have a clear statistical advantage at prop. Only Ben Hannant (61, Qld)) and Dave Taylor (58, Qld) would have scored spots if eligible.
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Hooker:
Despite carrying an injury all year, **Robbie Farah (58)** is a clear winner ahead of Jamie Buhrer (52) and Michael Ennis (50). Only Cameron Smith (83, Qld) would have beaten Farah to the spot if eligible.
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Back row:
Paul Gallen (85) is first player picked. **Chris Heighington (70)** and Anthony Watmough (67) take the other starting spots, while Trent Waterhouse (65) and Ben Creagh (64) fill the bench. The final interchange spot was given to Creagh (rather than the usual backline utility) because of the value of back rowers in SuperCoach. NSW hold a clear advantage here also. Only Corey Parker (89, Qld) and Ashley Harrison (74, Qld) could have forced their way into the team if eligible.
Of course we already know this.
Its been this way for years.
sunshine_coast_tiger
New member
For mine it is time for Tim Sheens to speak out in support of his players. He might be the Australian coach but first and foremost he is the Tigers coach. He should have been in the paper on Monday saying he can't believe how Farah and Galloway didn't get picked and how much better they are than the guys that got picked and if he was coach they would have been in the team.
Plently of sides have worse form than the Tigers over the last 2 years and get players picked. If the trend continues of our players getting overlooked it will be hard to hold onto our young NSW players as they will be told if they go to certain clubs they will play SOO.
My tip is Lawrence ( I rate in the top 3 centres in the NRL, the other 2 are Queenslanders) wasn't injuried even he would have been overlooked for Gasiner
If Farah, Galloway or even Heighintion played for the Dragons, Bulldogs, Roosters or Manly they would allready be regulars for NSW, the current bias against the Tigers is part of the reason NSW have lost the last 5 years.
NSW to win need to score at least 20 points against the current Queensland side, I for one would have Farah out their to help score the needed points to win.
Plently of sides have worse form than the Tigers over the last 2 years and get players picked. If the trend continues of our players getting overlooked it will be hard to hold onto our young NSW players as they will be told if they go to certain clubs they will play SOO.
My tip is Lawrence ( I rate in the top 3 centres in the NRL, the other 2 are Queenslanders) wasn't injuried even he would have been overlooked for Gasiner
If Farah, Galloway or even Heighintion played for the Dragons, Bulldogs, Roosters or Manly they would allready be regulars for NSW, the current bias against the Tigers is part of the reason NSW have lost the last 5 years.
NSW to win need to score at least 20 points against the current Queensland side, I for one would have Farah out their to help score the needed points to win.
i dont think any of our players deserved to be there. stuart said he didnt pick galloway because he didnt suit the game plan (same with learoyd lahrs) and i think thats fair enough. ennis is also more suited to origin so i understand why farah wasnt there. in saying that i have absolutely no doubt that lawrence would be a left centre if it werent for his injury
you_know_who
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The only one that was going to get in that team was Christopher Lawrence and hes currently out injured, Lote Tuquiri might have been a rough chance of playing also if he wasnt injured as well. Not sure if they would pick robbie, though he is a much better player than Ennis any day of the week, Galloway can count himself unlucky as well. If we didnt have all our injuries and were probably higher up on the ladder we might have had a chance of getting more players into SOO. Though i dont really rate SOO at all, think its over rated myself.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nsw-state-of-origin-hooker-michael-ennis-continues-to-be-his-own-man-on-and-off-the-field/story-e6frexv9-1226059230976
HE easy option for Michael Ennis was to fall into the hole, because in the minutes, hours, days after the match there were plenty of people doing the digging. Some are still on the shovel.
Wayne Bennett was never going to let that happen. He had taught Ennis years ago the value of being answerable to a jury comprising only family, friends and teammates.
He told him now was a time to be strong, even though Ennis' flurry of punches to Nate Myles' head had cost NSW victory in the final game of last year's Origin series.
"Don't worry about it," said Bennett, who coached Ennis at the Broncos three years earlier and has remained close to the hooker.
"That's the best Origin you've played. You ran the ball, you challenged them out of dummy half, your defence was good. They'll write what they want to write. You've handled rubbish press before."
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Instead of wallowing in self-defeat, Ennis used it to self-improve. It's why he's the NSW hooker for the Origin opener against Queensland at Suncorp Stadium next Wednesday and Robbie Farah is not.
"That moment cost us but I matured a lot from that point on," explains Ennis. "I think you could see it last season and this year. I had a game against the Roosters where some of the penalties that I got pinged for were atrocious. But I feel in myself that I'm a lot calmer. Through that I feel I can handle situations a lot better."
And this is the precise moment in any lengthy story about Michael Ennis when we revert to cliche. Journos have told him when the tape recorder clicks off that they won't be writing about his legendary on-field tongue-fu. Then he opens the newspaper the next day and the obligatory "Ennis the Menace" headline hits him in the face.
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Rugby League Land has an attention span of a nanosecond. Issues are seen in black and white, players as hero or villain. Ennis is a bit different. It's become cliche that he's a decent soul off the field "And a lunatic on it," he interjects.
Fact is, Ennis is one of those grown-up footballers who seem to be leaking out of the modern game.
He prefers to speak, not tweet. He will look you in the eye. Of the hundreds of sportspeople this journalist has interviewed over the years, Ennis is as articulate as they come.
Let's snap back to the day before game two in Brisbane last year, when the Andrew Johns racism scandal had rocked all concerned. Kurt Gidley had brushed all approaches to speak publicly, ill-advised because he was the captain.
Not Ennis. He fronted and didn't miss a beat as he spoke for 10 minutes without nudging from the reporters circling him. It was impressive stuff. "The original situation was handled poorly," he says now. "I don't think it needed Joey to be thrown out on a pedestal and he got hammered."
Ennis is a deep thinker who cares passionately about the game.
On the issue of the Independent Commission, he says this: "We need a commission and we need it fast. We've got to put our egos behind us in those boardrooms. We need some of those blokes, if they really love this game, to stand aside for the good of the game."
On the issue of minimum wage, he says this: "There's a kid at our club, Tim Browne, who's had endless knee surgery in the last 18 months. He'll get back on the field and play, but in a few years time when he can't run anymore he'll be forgotten about."
These are the words from Michael Ennis that don't appear on the back pages of the newspaper.
It's the words said on the field that drag him into the scandal, that nail his colours to the mast.
He cares only what that jury of family, friends and teammates think, but while we've got you he may as well clear some things up.
First, he knows what he's doing out there. "But I've never come off the field thinking: 'I shouldn't have said that'. Because I've never stepped over the mark, with anything that I've ever said and especially compared to stuff I've heard from other blokes."
On that score, he understands why Nathan Hindmarsh called him a "grub" after that incident against Parramatta. What he cannot cop is the hysteria that followed. The suggestions that he had affronted Hindmarsh's family. That ornaments of the game can't be verballed.
"I've got three kids and a wife and I've got family at home," Ennis says. "A mum that watches what I do. They'd be horrified if I was sitting there slagging someone's family and their kids, because I wouldn't want it done to me and that's not what I'm about. If you say to a bloke, 'If you want to throw a punch you can', that's a long way off saying something about someone's family. That bothers me. Big time."
Ennis is also conscious about what his young family thinks. He and wife Simone have three children: sons Jack, 4, and Randy, nine months, and two-year-old daughter Koby Fox.
"Now that I have kids, I get concerned that someone is rubbishing their dad," he admits. That's when the self-belief in Ennis kicks in.
"But I'm not going to change who or what I am as a footballer to please people in the public. In 10 years time, when I'm retired and living a family life, those comments won't have an impact on me."
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IMO those posters who are saying that Farah should not be there because of the team's inconsistent form are venting their frustrations about the team's performance. Robbie has been down on form this year but has still vastly outperformed Ennis. Perhaps Robbie needs to study the way Ennis eats his bannanas.
HE easy option for Michael Ennis was to fall into the hole, because in the minutes, hours, days after the match there were plenty of people doing the digging. Some are still on the shovel.
Wayne Bennett was never going to let that happen. He had taught Ennis years ago the value of being answerable to a jury comprising only family, friends and teammates.
He told him now was a time to be strong, even though Ennis' flurry of punches to Nate Myles' head had cost NSW victory in the final game of last year's Origin series.
"Don't worry about it," said Bennett, who coached Ennis at the Broncos three years earlier and has remained close to the hooker.
"That's the best Origin you've played. You ran the ball, you challenged them out of dummy half, your defence was good. They'll write what they want to write. You've handled rubbish press before."
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Instead of wallowing in self-defeat, Ennis used it to self-improve. It's why he's the NSW hooker for the Origin opener against Queensland at Suncorp Stadium next Wednesday and Robbie Farah is not.
"That moment cost us but I matured a lot from that point on," explains Ennis. "I think you could see it last season and this year. I had a game against the Roosters where some of the penalties that I got pinged for were atrocious. But I feel in myself that I'm a lot calmer. Through that I feel I can handle situations a lot better."
And this is the precise moment in any lengthy story about Michael Ennis when we revert to cliche. Journos have told him when the tape recorder clicks off that they won't be writing about his legendary on-field tongue-fu. Then he opens the newspaper the next day and the obligatory "Ennis the Menace" headline hits him in the face.
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Rugby League Land has an attention span of a nanosecond. Issues are seen in black and white, players as hero or villain. Ennis is a bit different. It's become cliche that he's a decent soul off the field "And a lunatic on it," he interjects.
Fact is, Ennis is one of those grown-up footballers who seem to be leaking out of the modern game.
He prefers to speak, not tweet. He will look you in the eye. Of the hundreds of sportspeople this journalist has interviewed over the years, Ennis is as articulate as they come.
Let's snap back to the day before game two in Brisbane last year, when the Andrew Johns racism scandal had rocked all concerned. Kurt Gidley had brushed all approaches to speak publicly, ill-advised because he was the captain.
Not Ennis. He fronted and didn't miss a beat as he spoke for 10 minutes without nudging from the reporters circling him. It was impressive stuff. "The original situation was handled poorly," he says now. "I don't think it needed Joey to be thrown out on a pedestal and he got hammered."
Ennis is a deep thinker who cares passionately about the game.
On the issue of the Independent Commission, he says this: "We need a commission and we need it fast. We've got to put our egos behind us in those boardrooms. We need some of those blokes, if they really love this game, to stand aside for the good of the game."
On the issue of minimum wage, he says this: "There's a kid at our club, Tim Browne, who's had endless knee surgery in the last 18 months. He'll get back on the field and play, but in a few years time when he can't run anymore he'll be forgotten about."
These are the words from Michael Ennis that don't appear on the back pages of the newspaper.
It's the words said on the field that drag him into the scandal, that nail his colours to the mast.
He cares only what that jury of family, friends and teammates think, but while we've got you he may as well clear some things up.
First, he knows what he's doing out there. "But I've never come off the field thinking: 'I shouldn't have said that'. Because I've never stepped over the mark, with anything that I've ever said and especially compared to stuff I've heard from other blokes."
On that score, he understands why Nathan Hindmarsh called him a "grub" after that incident against Parramatta. What he cannot cop is the hysteria that followed. The suggestions that he had affronted Hindmarsh's family. That ornaments of the game can't be verballed.
"I've got three kids and a wife and I've got family at home," Ennis says. "A mum that watches what I do. They'd be horrified if I was sitting there slagging someone's family and their kids, because I wouldn't want it done to me and that's not what I'm about. If you say to a bloke, 'If you want to throw a punch you can', that's a long way off saying something about someone's family. That bothers me. Big time."
Ennis is also conscious about what his young family thinks. He and wife Simone have three children: sons Jack, 4, and Randy, nine months, and two-year-old daughter Koby Fox.
"Now that I have kids, I get concerned that someone is rubbishing their dad," he admits. That's when the self-belief in Ennis kicks in.
"But I'm not going to change who or what I am as a footballer to please people in the public. In 10 years time, when I'm retired and living a family life, those comments won't have an impact on me."
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IMO those posters who are saying that Farah should not be there because of the team's inconsistent form are venting their frustrations about the team's performance. Robbie has been down on form this year but has still vastly outperformed Ennis. Perhaps Robbie needs to study the way Ennis eats his bannanas.
innsaneink
Well-known member
@LARDS said:
Yeah that really proves some sort of point. :crazy
david Simmons.
:laughing:
I think people need to let it go….they wernt good enough
tig_prmz
Well-known member
9\. Ennis
14\. Farah
Young can go sick a duck.
14\. Farah
Young can go sick a duck.
westTAHger
Well-known member
have to agree here with Ink.
if selectors thought were tigers players were good enough, they would have been picked.
does not matter one bit what wests-tigers think.
they don't pick the team.
best way to show who could/should be in the team is by consistent outstanding performances in the lead up to game 2 and game 3.
if selectors thought were tigers players were good enough, they would have been picked.
does not matter one bit what wests-tigers think.
they don't pick the team.
best way to show who could/should be in the team is by consistent outstanding performances in the lead up to game 2 and game 3.
tig_prmz
Well-known member
Everyone does everything for personal gain.
Fulton, Stuart etc. know making NSW win will be good for their rep.
What team they think can win it,
it's up to them.
We can all have opinions about their team,
but saying they hate Tigers,
they are bias,
they pick favourites even though they are crap
is BS
In the end, their rep is bigger than their egos
and they probably know it. Or should know it.
Fulton, Stuart etc. know making NSW win will be good for their rep.
What team they think can win it,
it's up to them.
We can all have opinions about their team,
but saying they hate Tigers,
they are bias,
they pick favourites even though they are crap
is BS
In the end, their rep is bigger than their egos
and they probably know it. Or should know it.
@tig_prmz said:
Exactly. Whilst we may all disagree with their decisions, they have put together the team that they think has the best chance of winning. Their 'favourites' are just the players that they think are the best in their position and I am just as dissapointed for the Tigers players as anyone, but they have picked a team so lets get behind them and cheer them to victory.
I don't know if they're angry but ever since roughly the early 90s I haven't been that interested in Origin because there's been no Tigers selected so why should I care.
Then there was that horrific refereeing in game 2, 2008 I think that Sterlo defended on the Sunday footy show which lost me all respect for the Origin series and Peter Sterling's commentary (as the only then decent one out of the footy show crowd)
Then there was that horrific refereeing in game 2, 2008 I think that Sterlo defended on the Sunday footy show which lost me all respect for the Origin series and Peter Sterling's commentary (as the only then decent one out of the footy show crowd)
innsaneink
Well-known member
@stryker said:
Thats been going on since day dot though stryker, it happens in jnr footy, jnr reps, club footy (we all here should know this) state and national reps.
