Tigers tell Maguire they’re ‘walking on eggshells’

[Fish88]

Unfortunately this will be a continual cycle of apparent issues with player and coach u til we start winning. If we continue to miss the 8 the press will always throw dirt because people will read it. We just need to start winning. We wanted a culture change so we need to ride madge out. He is at least trying to implement a culture change we’ve all been looking for. Change will always cause some resistance.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Let me begin by saying that I am as disappointed and frustrated as anyone with another season of failure.

However it was interesting reading people’s reaction to the story. Lots of emotion as fans and this is expected but in all reality for the players, this is their workplace. Now just imagine this is your workplace and your supervisor had everyone fearful of being sacked - it would be expected that there would be a complaint or escalation.

If this is true, the fact this was leaked (and my guess is a player)indicates a fair amount of disharmony with some players. If Madge has lost some of the playing group as this story implies then It has been my observation that as soon as the media note a “lost dressing room” then coaches start dusting off their CV.

I fear this will end badly - my guess is another media frenzy that will make us even a less desirable destination. An ugly player or coaching departure(s) that will be bypassed by the the caliber of player we need to turn things around.


You raise a good point about fearful of being sacked as its not a great culture and you don't really go into work wanting to improve the workplace.

I myself am a supporter of Madge but was left frustrated with his blow up this season when he kicked the chair as i thought it was unprofessional considering we were winning at half time in that game and went on to lose it.

Players do need a kick up the butt when not performing but lets not play up to the cameras and give the Media something to gossip about as it's fair to say as a club we always draw the short stick when it comes to them, how many feel good stories do the media portray with us, and then the ref decisions in some games just are as deplorable.

We all know Madge is a hard task master that's what the club needs now, someone that will change the culture, sign and develop players that want to play for the club as a team and also play for the coach understanding he is the boss.

However in saying this there should be no difference between the workplace and Club when it comes to performance.
In a workplace as long as handled the correct way its usually a three strikes and your out.
In the Club you have a contract that needs to be honored no matter what your performance is or if your injured.
If you perform not to the standards of the team you are dropped and if you continue to not make the cut your contract should be reviewed.

I think for all concerned the best approach is not to invite the Media in but it's hard to do that when players are continuing running to them.

Rule 1 - If you have a job in the Media prior to retirement you need to sign a confidentially agreement.
Rule 2 - If your a player that talks to the Media you are given a breach notice within your contract and asked to explain, this also means non selection next game.
Rule 3 - Player Managers anything discussed about the club is not to be given to the Media, If the source both player and Manager are issued with breach of contract notices.

Naturally under all these circumstances there should be confidentially contracts, we have lawyers that sponsor the club maybe they should start looking at this within our culture.

Agree we don't want a feeding frenzy with the Media look what has transpired with other clubs this season, Saints coach is a perfect example of this loves the club, players respect him but Media wanted a change and finally got it, have they done any better since NO.

The comparison with employees worrying about getting sacked is off, because these players will still collect their fat pay check whether they're picked or not.

Sure they will still get paid but if continually not playing what do you think there next contract will be worth?
Example of off loaded on $750k and club states will subsidize $350k to take them and other club agrees technically there only a $400k player now.

This is what the issue is about from Senior players there net worth moving forward and the player manager's commission for managing there affairs its all about $.

Personally i say weed them out long term by giving younger players an oppurtunity,

 

[Geo]

@Geo

Have you lost your slippers ?

😂

To late for slippers..

Ugg Boots

 

[Tiger5150]

Wake up people it happened at Souths and it's happening here. Maguire doesn't have Crowe and Hartigan doesn't have Politis to do their recruitment.
The big issue is who employed these two without doing their due diligence.


Since 2011 we have been screaming for a coach who will toughen our players, hold them accountable. Pick and drop players on form and not allow the players to rule the roost.

We get exactly that coach, one who has won premierships either side of the world and everyone goes to water. Its weak and pathetic.

People here [This word has been automatically removed] and moan about this club "accepting mediocrity" but when a coach turns up and demands effort and demands performance, its all too hard and nasty? And we should "blame management" for allowing it to happen?

Mediocrity would be caving or going to water because the coach is "too tough". Its pathetic and embarrassing and if the club doesnt back Madge 100% in deeds and words then we are condemned to this rubbish for another 10years.

The issue isn't the tough training it's his lack of man management skills.
Not 1 player has come here to be coached by Maguire, they've been unwanted or are fringe players wanting more

Leilua brothers? Douiehi? Blore?

 

[CarltonDry]

Wake up people it happened at Souths and it's happening here. Maguire doesn't have Crowe and Hartigan doesn't have Politis to do their recruitment.
The big issue is who employed these two without doing their due diligence.


Since 2011 we have been screaming for a coach who will toughen our players, hold them accountable. Pick and drop players on form and not allow the players to rule the roost.

We get exactly that coach, one who has won premierships either side of the world and everyone goes to water. Its weak and pathetic.

People here [This word has been automatically removed] and moan about this club "accepting mediocrity" but when a coach turns up and demands effort and demands performance, its all too hard and nasty? And we should "blame management" for allowing it to happen?

Mediocrity would be caving or going to water because the coach is "too tough". Its pathetic and embarrassing and if the club doesnt back Madge 100% in deeds and words then we are condemned to this rubbish for another 10years.

The issue isn't the tough training it's his lack of man management skills.
Not 1 player has come here to be coached by Maguire, they've been unwanted or are fringe players wanting more


Leilua brothers? Douiehi? Blore?

Hahahaha you just proved my point.

 

[Tiger5150]

Wake up people it happened at Souths and it's happening here. Maguire doesn't have Crowe and Hartigan doesn't have Politis to do their recruitment.
The big issue is who employed these two without doing their due diligence.


Since 2011 we have been screaming for a coach who will toughen our players, hold them accountable. Pick and drop players on form and not allow the players to rule the roost.

We get exactly that coach, one who has won premierships either side of the world and everyone goes to water. Its weak and pathetic.

People here [This word has been automatically removed] and moan about this club "accepting mediocrity" but when a coach turns up and demands effort and demands performance, its all too hard and nasty? And we should "blame management" for allowing it to happen?

Mediocrity would be caving or going to water because the coach is "too tough". Its pathetic and embarrassing and if the club doesnt back Madge 100% in deeds and words then we are condemned to this rubbish for another 10years.

The issue isn't the tough training it's his lack of man management skills.
Not 1 player has come here to be coached by Maguire, they've been unwanted or are fringe players wanting more


Leilua brothers? Douiehi? Blore?

Hahahaha you just proved my point.

None of those three were unwanted or didnt have options.

 

[Russell]

If true it is very disappointing and it seems as though it could be true (we have a self destruct button).

Then let the clean out begin "Big Time" - easy to get rid of the players who's contracts are up in about a month - however the trouble is you can't clean out people on contract and it is most probably some of these that should go. Nuffies like Mbye, Packer and Reynolds (what do you do with them) - if they are involved stand them down for the remainder of their time or play them in cc (when it comes back on line) like we did with McQueen, they wouldn't be missed in the NRL squad, trouble is they would then be infecting the cc squad.

Maybe the way to go is a giant fire sale - get rid of all the perpetrators and play youngsters - lot of defeats but at least players that want to be here.

I'm with you Russ, but who's going to take Packer, Reynolds and Mbye on any money let alone even half their salary?

That's my point - no one probably, play them in cc, like they did with McQueen.

 

[Tcat]

I still can't believe the "Walking on egg shells" comment by the playing group. It's obviously a conversation being led by senior players who have been dropped and aren't used to it, you don't have to think too hard to imagine who this conversation was led by. Stick to your guns Madge and try to take our the trash as quick as quick as you can before the disease spreads into the junior group. Power in numbers is being applied by large number 💩 players in the group and they need to be moved asap.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

So looking forward to selection this week.

Wield the axe Madge forget about talking to the Media like Bennett reasons why just do it.

If Benji is also stirring up trouble all bets are off, Drop him as well and change the spine.
Benji and Lawrence can run out last home game for a send off and i know who will get more applause the way he has conducted himself for the team.

Benji looks like all about ego, more games than Farah, club legend status diminished glad he is not being offered a new deal now, good riddance.

 

[Russell]

Let me begin by saying that I am as disappointed and frustrated as anyone with another season of failure.

However it was interesting reading people’s reaction to the story. Lots of emotion as fans and this is expected but in all reality for the players, this is their workplace. Now just imagine this is your workplace and your supervisor had everyone fearful of being sacked - it would be expected that there would be a complaint or escalation.

If this is true, the fact this was leaked (and my guess is a player)indicates a fair amount of disharmony with some players. If Madge has lost some of the playing group as this story implies then It has been my observation that as soon as the media note a “lost dressing room” then coaches start dusting off their CV.

I fear this will end badly - my guess is another media frenzy that will make us even a less desirable destination. An ugly player or coaching departure(s) that will be bypassed by the the caliber of player we need to turn things around.

They can't be sacked as they are contracted
They may be dropped but they still get paid the same
If I had a boss and he told me I wouldn't be working this week but I still get paid as a normal week, I wouldnt be bitching about it
The hide of some of our players
Our players suck big time
They lack strength, desire, resolve, ability, natural talent, speed, brains and skills
But at least they know how to [This word has been automatically removed] and complain
What's next
Resignations at the very top

Whoever they are - they need to be named as renegades, see how they go getting another gig when their contracts run out, or if their contracts run out in about a month.

 

[CarltonDry]

Wake up people it happened at Souths and it's happening here. Maguire doesn't have Crowe and Hartigan doesn't have Politis to do their recruitment.
The big issue is who employed these two without doing their due diligence.


Since 2011 we have been screaming for a coach who will toughen our players, hold them accountable. Pick and drop players on form and not allow the players to rule the roost.

We get exactly that coach, one who has won premierships either side of the world and everyone goes to water. Its weak and pathetic.

People here [This word has been automatically removed] and moan about this club "accepting mediocrity" but when a coach turns up and demands effort and demands performance, its all too hard and nasty? And we should "blame management" for allowing it to happen?

Mediocrity would be caving or going to water because the coach is "too tough". Its pathetic and embarrassing and if the club doesnt back Madge 100% in deeds and words then we are condemned to this rubbish for another 10years.

The issue isn't the tough training it's his lack of man management skills.
Not 1 player has come here to be coached by Maguire, they've been unwanted or are fringe players wanting more


Leilua brothers? Douiehi? Blore?

Hahahaha you just proved my point.


None of those three were unwanted or didnt have options.

Ummmm Joey not wanted by Raiders.
Luciano was a fringe player at Dragons.
Douehi was playing in and out and all over the place. Jack of all trades master of none.
Blore young and fringe player but has plenty of potential and looked for an opportunity here.

 

[OzLuke]

are these guys actually men??? or are they kids getting disappointed they didn't get picked for the team????

Toughen the bloody hell up.....you don't do your job, you get told to do better

they aren't entitled to anything they aren't working towards or earned.

Bad efforts deserve the player to be dropped

man alive bunch of snowflakes

 

[hammertime]

We all sound like Madge is the only bloke around looking after the players' welfare and buying into this. There are assistant coaches, player welfare managers, high-performance coaches.

If Madge isn't the man manager, there will be someone like Ronnie, Andrew Webster or Hodgo who can fill that role to a large extent. They should be the voices picking up on this and having subtle words to madge if something is up.

It's a team, not down to 1 man. Maybe our coaches aren't working as an effective team?

 

[gallagher]

madge should have gone harder for the cowboys gig.

 

[Russell]

There is enough blame to go around. Yeah, a lot of players in this squad are either overpaid or not up to it, but Maguire hasn’t exactly lived up to expectations either. Everyone was so excited thinking how much of an upgrade he was on the old coach. Yet look where the old coach is sitting.

BuT GnR ItS BeCaUsE oF BaRrEtT

That's crap - you can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse overnight.

Barrett, give me a break - it was Griffin/Gus and the players themselves.

That Scumbag Cleary couldn't coach a cockroach up a wall.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The issue is the breach of privacy. If I were a player and I had an upfront conversation with Maguire, I would not want that discussion turning up in a press article. It goes against what being part of a team is all about. It undermines, trust and respect.

 

[Swordy]

Players being put on notice and fear they are walking on eggshells........GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Strider]

Concerning article to read after he lost the playing group in his last gig.

 

[Papacito]

I'm going to disagree with a lot of the posts here and say that this is a red flag for the club.

The days of coaches ruling with fear and an iron fist ended about 20 years ago.

Coaching these days is as much about managing player egos and managing with a leadership group of senior players and coaching staff.

This isn't my opinion. This is the opinion of blokes like Bellamy, Bennett and Meninga.

It sounds like Madge has lost the group a bit, which from reports was what happened to him at Souths. You'd think if he had a solid leadership group, it would have identified this problem before it reached the stand-off stage.....

The body language of the guys over the past month reminded me a bit of the dark days of JT before he was cut loose. Really not playing for the coach.

i don't profess to have a solution. Like everyone, I'm embarrassed at some of the efforts from the team. But at the same time, we're very unlikely to attract good enough talent to have a significantly improved roster for 2021.

 

[JC99]

Wake up people it happened at Souths and it's happening here. Maguire doesn't have Crowe and Hartigan doesn't have Politis to do their recruitment.
The big issue is who employed these two without doing their due diligence.


Since 2011 we have been screaming for a coach who will toughen our players, hold them accountable. Pick and drop players on form and not allow the players to rule the roost.

We get exactly that coach, one who has won premierships either side of the world and everyone goes to water. Its weak and pathetic.

People here [This word has been automatically removed] and moan about this club "accepting mediocrity" but when a coach turns up and demands effort and demands performance, its all too hard and nasty? And we should "blame management" for allowing it to happen?

Mediocrity would be caving or going to water because the coach is "too tough". Its pathetic and embarrassing and if the club doesnt back Madge 100% in deeds and words then we are condemned to this rubbish for another 10years.

The issue isn't the tough training it's his lack of man management skills.
Not 1 player has come here to be coached by Maguire, they've been unwanted or are fringe players wanting more

Doueihi literally chose us over roosters because he likes Madge and was a tigers junior but sure.