Tigers tell Maguire they’re ‘walking on eggshells’

[Aesopian]

Marshall and Farah have a lot to answer for. They were founders of the boys club and not knowing their place. That culture filtered down to the young players who are now senior players. And now they are passing that same mentality down to the next generation.

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

Past performance is not indicative of future results hahahahaha

 

[Dyloh]

I feel some players are warranted to feel hard done by, why hasn't Mbye been dropped all year?? One of the biggest under performers in the team but escapes the chopping block?

 

[Tcat]

Actually excited this comes up, this can be the biggest call the Tigers will make along time.
Our culture stinks and will take the overhaul of all the senior players to start fixing it.

The other gaping hole in the players story is madge doesn't seem like the guy that will drop you for dropping the ball, you get dropped for not putting effort in.

Everyone can have a stinker, effort comes from within.

He's not the type to drop you after 1 or 2 bad games either. It's consistently poor performances (Mbye seems exempt for some reason) that he'll question you over.

 

[Tigercrb]

Now is the time to extend Madge. We really need to show the playing group that past results and efforts will not be tolerated. And nor should they be. I can guarantee that the players would not be complaining about the hard line approach if we were winning. Results fix everything and unfortunately, if these players can't get the results, they will be weeded out.

I do believe Madge has the ability to improve players who are hungry and passionate. Look at Lucy, McIntyre, Harry, Noffa, Alioa even Mikalele on the weekend, the blokes who wear there hearts on their sleeve and who hate losing are the ones improving under Madge.

The players who are happy to go through the motions, get paid and accept the way the club has gone over the last decade are more than likely the ones complaining.

Madge gave them a few soft, fun weeks of training, beers on the bus and there was no improvement.

We just need to keep finding those players with the fire in their belly who want to work hard to get the results. No more short cuts or quick fixes. Extend Madge now and make a statement about what type of club we want to be.

 

[Sco77y]

Marshall and Farah have a lot to answer for. They were founders of the boys club and not knowing their place. That culture filtered down to the young players who are now senior players. And now they are passing that same mentality down to the next generation.

I'd actually like to see what the culture is like when Marshall leaves - whether there's some sort of improvement. I wouldn't think he'd still have a lot of influence over the playing group, being that his time is more or less over and a lot has happened in between, but you can't underestimate it. I mean he was an idol to some of the younger guys at the Tigers as they grew up.

I guess we'll know soon enough, but we're in desperate need of some solid senior players with a better attitude than what has been dished out for the last decade.

 

[Swordy]

Now is the time to extend Madge. We really need to show the playing group that last results and efforts will not be tolerated. And nor should it be. I can guarantee that the players would not be complaining about the hard kine approach if we were winning. Results fix everything and unfortunately, if these players can't get the results, they will be weeded out.

I do believe Madge has the ability to improve players who are hungry and passionate. Look at Lucy, McIntyre, Harry, Noffa, Alioa even Mikalele on the weekend, the blokes who wear there hearts on their sleeve and who hate losing are the ones improving under Madge.

The players who are happy to go through the motion, get paid and accept the way the club has gone over the last decade are more than likely the ones complaining.

Madge gave them a few soft,fun weeks of training, beers on the bus and there was no improvement.

We just need to keep finding those players with the fire in their belly who want to work hard to get the results. No more short cuts or quick fixes. Extend Madge now and make a statement about what type of club we want to be.

Interesting idea. I like it.

 

[JC99]

I know not everyone loves Madge but I gotta say I can’t remember a time where the fans all came together to back the coach on something like this. Normally it’s pretty 50/50 but I think everyone’s sick of the players attitudes.

Extend him one season right now I say show the players who’s in charge

 

[hobbo1]

I know not everyone loves Madge but I gotta say I can’t remember a time where the fans all came together to back the coach on something like this. Normally it’s pretty 50/50 but I think everyone’s sick of the players attitudes.

Extend him one season right now I say show the players who’s in charge

Bring in the Ricky Stewart white board

 

[Red Rugby]

Could I very politely suggest that the players grasp the privileged position that they enjoy and stop whinging and get on with it.

It can get taken away very quickly, you're only one injury away from it all ending in tears.

Ask Simon Dwyer or Taniela Tuiaki if they'd care who the coach was.

And if you don't like the coach ask for a release. It worked OK for Ryan Matterson....

 

[Roar_Power]

I know not everyone loves Madge but I gotta say I can’t remember a time where the fans all came together to back the coach on something like this. Normally it’s pretty 50/50 but I think everyone’s sick of the players attitudes.

Extend him one season right now I say show the players who’s in charge

I think we need to extend for another 2 - takes Madge to the end of 2023.

The end of 2021 sees the behinds of Packer and Reynolds. He will have a lot more cap to play with for 2022 season and start to really consolidate his own team. End of 2022 it is 'see ya' to Mbye freeing up another $900k. Will basically have full cap in 2023 - by then we will know how a 'Madge team' performs and if we are going to be competitive moving into the future from there - only sticking point is Brooks being contracted to end of 2023 but if he isn't wanted by WT, he will likely be traded well before this time.

I like the fact that with Madge, hopefully we have seen the end of massive contracts over significant periods (4 years). Managing the salary cap properly allows flow with new signings and making refinements to future sides, unlike the predicament we see ourselves in now....

 

[tiger_one]

I can spot on speculate:

Jrey & packer leading the chorus

My money is on Brooks in the background - far more destructive.

My money is on Marshall.


Marshall with Mybe as well and maybe packer and reynolds, could not see Brooks having the balls to confront Madge.

Who is Brooks' manager?
Oh, that's right ........

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Haven't seen a non-signing thread pop off like this one in a while.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All this fawning over the coach, then the meltdown in an hour when there are no significant team changes.

 

[JC99]

All this fawning over the coach, then the meltdown in an hour when there are no significant team changes.

That’s what I’m thinking aye.... I reckon there’ll only be minor changes, madge never eluded to major changes so not sure why people have their hopes so high for it.

End of the day you can’t just throw a heap of young unproven guys in at once. Maybe one or two guys at the most.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

I can not understand why the players are finding all to difficult you get paid a sh** load of money to
1 Train hard get fit survive the season
2 You play to coaches instructions
3 You ran hard and tackle hard

When you dont do steps 1- 3 you are told about it and need to improve You dont following instructions you are replaced by someone who will.
Its a simple job

 

[Tcat]

All this fawning over the coach, then the meltdown in an hour when there are no significant team changes.

I think you'll find most are thinking long term regarding Madges stance.

 

[tiger_scott]

Hopefully the powers that be at the Wests Tigers have a sneaky look at this thread before making their decision re McGuire and see the unanimous fan support for him. We're sick of the same old same old.

I would make Aloiai captain.

I don't think that we're that far off - Penrith sit at number 1, I think, mainly due to the astute purchase of Koroisau, a hooker. We weren't quite at their level, but were within touching distance with Harry, until he got injured. We've not had much luck on that front.

Stay strong Tigers faithful!

 

[Papacito]

I'm going to disagree with a lot of the posts here and say that this is a red flag for the club.

The days of coaches ruling with fear and an iron fist ended about 20 years ago.

Coaching these days is as much about managing player egos and managing with a leadership group of senior players and coaching staff.

This isn't my opinion. This is the opinion of blokes like Bellamy, Bennett and Meninga.

It sounds like Madge has lost the group a bit, which from reports was what happened to him at Souths. You'd think if he had a solid leadership group, it would have identified this problem before it reached the stand-off stage.....

The body language of the guys over the past month reminded me a bit of the dark days of JT before he was cut loose. Really not playing for the coach.

i don't profess to have a solution. Like everyone, I'm embarrassed at some of the efforts from the team. But at the same time, we're very unlikely to attract good enough talent to have a significantly improved roster for 2021.

Some fair comments, but at those other clubs and teams that you mention, the players have a very clear mantra when they enter. This is your expectation of us, and we expect this of you.

WT need to change that moping, whining culture. If you deliver on the field, you will not be dumped from the team. A good example is Luciano. He hasn't been dumped, but I bet it was made clear you perform or get out. He performed. There are at least half a dozen players that are lucky because of depth issues and they have survived. Consistency is important.

I think if players understood they had responsibilities, and lived up to them CONSISTENTLY, then Madge's style is more than fine. He isn't an idiot, he has been successful, including taking Souths to a premiership. Souths have not been successful since he left. Accident or just coincidence.

The Roosters coach seems to be understanding and respectful to the teams personal desires when he is interviewed, and he has that luxury because his team delivers for him. Madge doesn't have that luxury.

We had the Tim Sheens (later years), the Mick Potters, Ivan Clearys, even Andrew Webster. All sympathetic type coaches to an extent. They have failed because there was no groundwork on the consistency and expectation.

Nice response. All good points.

I want to be wrong, but the flaws I see in Madge's hardline approach is - as you pointed out - related to depth.

Dropping blokes for poor performance is fine, but is there anyone better to replace them? If not, you need to try and get the best out of them.

Same goes for not renewing contracts. It's fine to talk about cutting guys loose but we're all dreaming if we think we can go to market and recruit a top eight side. We've never been a recruitment club.

Years of belt tightening and short sightedness at the top has also impacted our depth of juniors. We no longer have the next generation of Chris Lawrence, Robbie Farah, James Tedesco or Benji Marshall coming up.

Personally I'll back Madge but I'd also not be at all surprised to see this blow up in his face.

 

[Tigerlily]

Maybe they should introduce performance based contracts.

Yeah sure, will give you the money you think you’re worth not a problem, but you have to hit your required KPI’s for each NRL season other wise you don’t get the full amount...That would solve a lot of overinflated egos. And would also stop player managers manipulating the system of over pricing.

 

[jrtiger]

we'll know whether Madge listened to those who were making noises in the team meaning in a bit over 15 minutes. hoping to see a few debutants and key positional changes.