Tigers want to lock up Sheens before rivals come knocking

[T-REXX]

As Ive said before,he did a good job dragging us from the bottom of the table(which exceeds some peoples modest expecattions),but that was over half a decade ago.
Some folk wld award him a job for life for this achievement which in the world of coaching is HISTORY(maybe they would have kept Harry Bath for a couple of decades on that rationale)
In the past 5 years,other than the finish to 2010, weve had a shocker,& he's the coach at the helm
He needs to deliver sustained results
NOW
(And to think we nearly had Craig Bellamy..)

once again, its not the players that should be held responsible should it :crazy

 

[southerntiger]

Have I missed something? Werent we the second best team in the comp last year? Havent we won 2 from 3 this year amidst a horror injury crisis?

Talk about ungrateful.

 

[southerntiger]

Oh BTW we didnt nearly have Bellamy. He rejected us. Thats right, an assistant coach desperately seeking a head coaching job refused the opportunity with us. That was how bad we were before Sheens came along.

 

[clontarfkid]

Oh BTW we didnt nearly have Bellamy. He rejected us. Thats right, an assistant coach desperately seeking a head coaching job refused the opportunity with us. That was how bad we were before Sheens came along.

Bellamy rejected us because a couple of the outspoken senior players at that time made some offensive remarks,& made him feel unwelcome.He was on board prior to that
Bellamy,despite the cap issues,is regadless an extremely competent coach who transforms almost all players under his tutelage into better players,& more importantly has them playing cohesively as a team.
Id sign him in a heartbeat..& so would the other 15 clubs!
As for the players accepting their share of responsibility,theres truth in that,but we must have had 60-70 different players in out first grade squad over the past 6 years,& they almost all cant underperform.
Common denominatator (altho he'd has some of u believing otherwise)ihas been,& remains,the messiah
He needs to earn his next long term contract,not be awarded it based on historical deeds of half a decade ago

 

[bonstonker]

A coach has a key role in a football club, but what is he worth??? At some point the Tigers have to say " this is what we value your services at" and if you can get more than go for it. Really a new coach would not be the worst thing that could happen to our club and if its not next year it will be a couple down the track.
As for taking all our star players with him, that will not happen

have to agree with this.
especially about players leaving.people go a little overboard with this.

and i really can't see sheens leaving.
one of the most important relationships is a coach and ceo.
they must be on the same page and share the same vision so the ceo can concentrate on giving the coach the resources he needs.
one of the reasons why i was anti longmuir was because he viewed the wests tigers as a business only.

whatever happens,i hope sheens is involved in the game for a long time to come.
the game desperately needs more people like him.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

isnt he signed yet???

 

[Geo]

isnt he signed yet???

:laughing: I dont think so …..No

 

[T-REXX]

Bellamy rejected us because a couple of the **outspoken senior players at that time made some offensive remarks,& made him feel unwelcome**.He was on board prior to that
Bellamy,despite the cap issues,is regadless an extremely competent coach who transforms almost all players under his tutelage into better players,& more importantly has them playing cohesively as a team.
Id sign him in a heartbeat..& so would the other 15 clubs!
As for the players accepting their share of responsibility,theres truth in that,but we must have had 60-70 different players in out first grade squad over the past 6 years,& they almost all cant underperform.
Common denominatator (altho he'd has some of u believing otherwise)ihas been,& remains,the messiah
He needs to earn his next long term contract,not be awarded it based on historical deeds of half a decade ago

Really?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

We didnt have any Senior Players back then, just Senior Citizens!!! :roll

 

[happy_tiger]

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Bellamy rejected us because a couple of the **outspoken senior players at that time made some offensive remarks,& made him feel unwelcome**.He was on board prior to that
Bellamy,despite the cap issues,is regadless an extremely competent coach who transforms almost all players under his tutelage into better players,& more importantly has them playing cohesively as a team.
Id sign him in a heartbeat..& so would the other 15 clubs!
As for the players accepting their share of responsibility,theres truth in that,but we must have had 60-70 different players in out first grade squad over the past 6 years,& they almost all cant underperform.
Common denominatator (altho he'd has some of u believing otherwise)ihas been,& remains,the messiah
He needs to earn his next long term contract,not be awarded it based on historical deeds of half a decade ago

Really?
If Sheens is such a bad coach why are so many of his ex players in NRL coaches of NRL or SOO teams .They mustn't have learnt much about coaching if he is so bad .

 

[T-REXX]

We didnt have any Senior Players back then, just Senior Citizens!!! :roll


 

[Guest]

Bellamy rejected us because a couple of the **outspoken senior players at that time made some offensive remarks,& made him feel unwelcome**.He was on board prior to that
Bellamy,despite the cap issues,is regadless an extremely competent coach who transforms almost all players under his tutelage into better players,& more importantly has them playing cohesively as a team.
Id sign him in a heartbeat..& so would the other 15 clubs!
As for the players accepting their share of responsibility,theres truth in that,but we must have had 60-70 different players in out first grade squad over the past 6 years,& they almost all cant underperform.
Common denominatator (altho he'd has some of u believing otherwise)ihas been,& remains,the messiah
He needs to earn his next long term contract,not be awarded it based on historical deeds of half a decade ago

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Really?

What a load of rubbish :roll

The irony in all of this is that the Sheens bashers continue to trot out the same old comments despite the fact Sheens re-signing is imminent.

 

[T-REXX]

i know that😉

 

[T-REXX]

they only Trot when we are loosing.. last part of the year they were very quiet

Troy

 

[bonstonker]

Some people feel 3 weeks constutes "long term success",but Im sort of thinking 4 years is a more accurate reflection of "long term"…like the 4 years beween 06 & 09
Those same 4 years where Sheens blatant mistakes & bloody-mindedness were transparent to all but himself,& totally explained his poor long term coaching record as has been well chronicled by Bug
2 from 3 in the circumstances is a great start to this year on top of an outstanding finish to last year,but with the injury toll situation as it is the luckiest coach to have a job in the NRL now has an automatic out clause so that regardless of how we perform for the remainder of this year , were gonna get stuck with him for another 2-3 years .
Just not sure where half a dozen games after 4 and a half seasons of rubbish warrant such a reward
Some poor old Wests & Balmain supporters who consider anything other than finishing with the wooden spoon as being a successful season ,need to raise their expecations..its a reasonably level playing field these days,the coaches call most of the shots,& are & should be accountable everywhere else ..just ask Stuart,Fittler,Taylor,Elliot ,Lang.Henjack et al.
But dont ask our messiah

ok then,let's look at a 4 year term.
i'm going to look at regular season games since the start of the 2008 season with this year being the 4th year.
i decided to look at the number of wins for every team since the start of the 08 season to today.
if you are looking at re-signing or firing a coach you should also be looking at the current year performance.
so this table will fluctuate throughout the year.

dragons have the most wins with 49
storm 47(i included all wins while they were cheating)
manly 45
titans 41
broncos 41
tigers 40
raiders 37
knights 37
penrith 37
dogs 35
roosters 35
eels 34
warriors 34
souths 31
sharks 31
cowboys 23

we are trending up each year since 2008.
from 2009 we are 4th
from 2010 we are 2nd

it will be interesting to see what this table looks like at the end of the year.

clontarfkid,i think you are more about punishing someone for their mistakes instead of looking to see if they have corrected their mistakes.
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if you want to add in 07
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storm 68
manly 63
dragons 58
broncos 52
titans 51
tigers 51
dogs 47
raiders 46
knights 46
penrith 45
roosters 45
souths 43
sharks 41
eels 34
cowboys 38
warriors 34

 

[tigerbenji]

I remember our first few years with pearce & lamb as coaches & money being wasted on senior cits & a rabble of a team. we get sheens & he brings the juniors through & we win a comp. some times i dont agree with what he does but he the coach we need, i hope he signs for another 3-4 years just to upset some of you.

 

[happy_tiger]

I remember our first few years with pearce & lamb as coaches & money being wasted on senior cits & a rabble of a team. we get sheens & he brings the juniors through & we win a comp. some times i dont agree with what he does but he the coach we need, i hope he signs for another 3-4 years just to upset some of you.

First years side was not too bad we just lost some games we should of won The two that spring to mind were the Cowboys game when we rested guys backing up from previous nights Test match and took them too easy and the infamous Penrith game when we lead by plenty and got run down Why did Wayne Pearce quit anyway??

 

[Chris]

The only reason why all the Sheens bashers are quiet right now is because Bug is on a self imposed ban and will not be bashing Sheens until next month.

 

[softlaw]

The other reason Sheens' bashers (myself included) are quiet now is that he seems to have stopped doing the things that (speaking for myself) were absurd.
The repeated selection of Fitzhenry, The neverending Morris 'experiment' etc.
Someone is out he's replacing them with someone from the same position, his selections seem to be based on form rather than favouritism, our defence and attitude have improved markedly etc. etc.
Obviously this had nothing to do with the flak he recieved here but he and his coaching team are doing a good job now and so the bashing has ceased.
Good luck to him, personally I am hoping now that we do re-sign him for a couple more years.

 

[clontarfkid]

Bellamy rejected us because a couple of the **outspoken senior players at that time made some offensive remarks,& made him feel unwelcome**.He was on board prior to that
Bellamy,despite the cap issues,is regadless an extremely competent coach who transforms almost all players under his tutelage into better players,& more importantly has them playing cohesively as a team.
Id sign him in a heartbeat..& so would the other 15 clubs!
As for the players accepting their share of responsibility,theres truth in that,but we must have had 60-70 different players in out first grade squad over the past 6 years,& they almost all cant underperform.
Common denominatator (altho he'd has some of u believing otherwise)ihas been,& remains,the messiah
He needs to earn his next long term contract,not be awarded it based on historical deeds of half a decade ago

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Really?

What a load of rubbish :roll
Actually,some of us who choose facts over fiction & the present over the past who feel its the Sheens PR wagon ably represented on this forum that rolls out the same old arguments to support signing him long term based on a handful of games in 2010 after a non achieving 4 years :unamused: .