Tim Simona - Deregistered

[Pokies]

Recently the top Sydney jockey, John McDonald, was suspended for two years by Sydney race Stewards. The reason for his suspension was that he was found to have bet against a horse (one of the favourites and heavily backed) he was riding in a Sydney race. Imagine how many punters lost sizeable sums in this race due to the jockey's actions. Believe me, Sydney Stewards are very strict in implementing harsh penalties on these types of serious misdemeanourss. Yet the jockey was suspended for only TWO years. Compare this to the proposed life ban which the NRL is banging on about for Simona. I believe that if the NRL are persuaded by their interest in preserving their "gold mine" betting agencies and give Simona a life ban then he is well within his rights to appeal against the verdict and would very likely win his appeal.

That's actually incorrect Newtown.

James McDonald was suspended for betting but he never bet on a rival horse his bet was actually on the horse he rode in the race which in turn won the race.

Simonas circumstances are totally different as he's alleged to have bet against his team hence why he's looking a life ban rather than a shorter stint away.

 

[240z]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

Hi Hank
I have posted a msg on this previously. It is a very strange coincidence that this has happened or its a deliberate attempt by club management to deceive other clubs into taking these troubled players off their hands. I can't believe that the on 2 players out of 25 they wanting to get rid of were players that were going to be outed. I cant believe the club did not know about these issues and planned to offload before being splattered over the media. Put it this way I would not buy a used car from Pascoe!

 

[Newtown]

Recently the top Sydney jockey, John McDonald, was suspended for two years by Sydney race Stewards. The reason for his suspension was that he was found to have bet against a horse (one of the favourites and heavily backed) he was riding in a Sydney race. Imagine how many punters lost sizeable sums in this race due to the jockey's actions. Believe me, Sydney Stewards are very strict in implementing harsh penalties on these types of serious misdemeanourss. Yet the jockey was suspended for only TWO years. Compare this to the proposed life ban which the NRL is banging on about for Simona. I believe that if the NRL are persuaded by their interest in preserving their "gold mine" betting agencies and give Simona a life ban then he is well within his rights to appeal against the verdict and would very likely win his appeal.

That's actually incorrect Newtown.

James McDonald was suspended for betting but he never bet on a rival horse his bet was actually on the horse he rode in the race which in turn won the race.

Simonas circumstances are totally different as he's alleged to have bet against his team hence why he's looking a life ban rather than a shorter stint away.

Thanks for the clarification Pokies.

 

[matchball]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

Hi Hank
I have posted a msg on this previously. It is a very strange coincidence that this has happened or its a deliberate attempt by club management to deceive other clubs into taking these troubled players off their hands. I can't believe that the on 2 players out of 25 they wanting to get rid of were players that were going to be outed. I cant believe the club did not know about these issues and planned to offload before being splattered over the media. Put it this way I would not buy a used car from Pascoe!

Well. You have to ask the question is why were the Titans (NRL control) be interested party in taking Simona off our hands when they knew as far back as September 2016 about what Tim was doing on regards to gambling.

I feel a cover up was in the making and it was too far gone to cover up. The cat was out of the bag so they must sacrifice him.

6 months of investigating and then they showed interest? Something stinks.

 

[marzie]

Thinking back on it all now I remember Simona putting quite a few kickoffs dead on the full as well

 

[Harvey]

He might have a future as Joel Caine's offsider

 

[Bird is the Word]

Only reason this offence is warranting a life ban is the potential impact match fixing has on the integrity of the game and the integrity of an industry that invests alot of money in the game… Without integrity alot of people dont make as much money... Which isn't as much of an issue if players are taking drugs or committing violent acts etc... Money is more important than being a decent human being, which is why the likes of Monaghan, Groat, Hopoate, Burgess, Lui, Bird etc are welcomed back to the game regardless of what they do...

That said, i find it hard to believe a well paid player with a full time job that is primarily focussed on team work and self discipline, would commit the offences suggested without there being more to the story... Either there is more to the story, or Tim isn't of a sound mind...

 

[jirskyr]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

Hi Hank
I have posted a msg on this previously. It is a very strange coincidence that this has happened or its a deliberate attempt by club management to deceive other clubs into taking these troubled players off their hands. I can't believe that the on 2 players out of 25 they wanting to get rid of were players that were going to be outed. I cant believe the club did not know about these issues and planned to offload before being splattered over the media. Put it this way I would not buy a used car from Pascoe!

Well an alternative question: why bother trying to offload two blokes you are a very good chance of being justified to just cut loose?

In other words, if Tigers knew Simona was about to be hit with the book, why bother wasting time on trader talks with other clubs? Just wait for it to fall and you are justified in tearing up the contract.

Same goes for Lovett. If you know a bloke has drug issues and you want rid of him, you introduce a random drug test and catch him out, then you sack him, easy enough done.

 

[MightyMaggy]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

Hi Hank
I have posted a msg on this previously. It is a very strange coincidence that this has happened or its a deliberate attempt by club management to deceive other clubs into taking these troubled players off their hands. I can't believe that the on 2 players out of 25 they wanting to get rid of were players that were going to be outed. I cant believe the club did not know about these issues and planned to offload before being splattered over the media. Put it this way I would not buy a used car from Pascoe!

Well an alternative question: why bother trying to offload two blokes you are a very good chance of being justified to just cut loose?

In other words, if Tigers knew Simona was about to be hit with the book, why bother wasting time on trader talks with other clubs? Just wait for it to fall and you are justified in tearing up the contract.

Same goes for Lovett. If you know a bloke has drug issues and you want rid of him, you introduce a random drug test and catch him out, then you sack him, easy enough done.

Hhhhmmmm. Two very good questions.

 

[innsaneink]

He might have a future as Joel Caine's offsider

Future?
Knowing Caines form….hes been in on it up to his eyeballs already

 

[Newtown]

Only reason this offence is warranting a life ban is the potential impact match fixing has on the integrity of the game and the integrity of an industry that invests alot of money in the game… Without integrity alot of people dont make as much money... Which isn't as much of an issue if players are taking drugs or committing violent acts etc... Money is more important than being a decent human being, which is why the likes of Monaghan, Groat, Hopoate, Burgess, Lui, Bird etc are welcomed back to the game regardless of what they do...

That said, i find it hard to believe a well paid player with a full time job that is primarily focussed on team work and self discipline, would commit the offences suggested without there being more to the story... Either there is more to the story, or Tim isn't of a sound mind...

Maybe he was bored. Quite common for a well paid first grade footballer.

 

[2041]

Recently the top Sydney jockey, John McDonald, was suspended for two years by Sydney race Stewards. The reason for his suspension was that he was found to have bet against a horse (one of the favourites and heavily backed) he was riding in a Sydney race. Imagine how many punters lost sizeable sums in this race due to the jockey's actions. Believe me, Sydney Stewards are very strict in implementing harsh penalties on these types of serious misdemeanourss. Yet the jockey was suspended for only TWO years. Compare this to the proposed life ban which the NRL is banging on about for Simona. I believe that if the NRL are persuaded by their interest in preserving their "gold mine" betting agencies and give Simona a life ban then he is well within his rights to appeal against the verdict and would very likely win his appeal.

That's actually incorrect Newtown.

James McDonald was suspended for betting but he never bet on a rival horse his bet was actually on the horse he rode in the race which in turn won the race.

Simonas circumstances are totally different as he's alleged to have bet against his team hence why he's looking a life ban rather than a shorter stint away.

Also, let's be real: if we're looking to horse racing as a sport with standards of probity and integrity to which the NRL should aspire we've already got a problem. Sports like racing (horse and dog) and boxing are exactly why a code has to take a zero-tolerance view on genuine integrity issues. They just can'trun the risk of the audience not trusting the product.

 

[Donald_Trump]

Australian law in general is soft. No wonder we have so many repeat offenders. If people were completely deterred by harsh punishments you would have far more compliance. NRL should have made an example of all the peptide takers and followed suit with Foran. Like it or not our game has too many scumbags who are a blight on society.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[Glennb]

Australian law in general is soft. No wonder we have so many repeat offenders. If people were completely deterred by harsh punishments you would have far more compliance. NRL should have made an example of all the peptide takers and followed suit with Foran. Like it or not our game has too many scumbags who are a blight on society.

Here endeth the lesson.

The peptide takers and Foran havent broken any "Australian Law".

 

[southerntiger]

Australian law in general is soft. No wonder we have so many repeat offenders. If people were completely deterred by harsh punishments you would have far more compliance. NRL should have made an example of all the peptide takers and followed suit with Foran. Like it or not our game has too many scumbags who are a blight on society.

Here endeth the lesson.

Yet nearly all studies have shown little or no link between severity of sentencing and prevalence of serious crime.

 

[southerntiger]

I find it fascinating that people talk about integrity when it comes to organised gambling. An industry that started through organised crime and still has strong links to it.

The truth is that in gambling you're either the person fixing it or the person fixed.

Simona was silly but its not like he was stealing from the poor box.

 

[Newtown]

Channel 9 if I understood correctly indicated that he was on his way to the NRL Integrity hearing/questioning tonight,

 

[Geo]

https://twitter.com/9NewsSyd/status/838656713163063296

 

[TrueTiger]

Well whatever happens, hope he gets treated fairly and if outed then he must face up to his mistakes,especially after they have plenty of education once in the system regarding gambling on NRL ….

 

[weststigers4life]

Recently the top Sydney jockey, John McDonald, was suspended for two years by Sydney race Stewards. The reason for his suspension was that he was found to have bet against a horse (one of the favourites and heavily backed) he was riding in a Sydney race. Imagine how many punters lost sizeable sums in this race due to the jockey's actions. Believe me, Sydney Stewards are very strict in implementing harsh penalties on these types of serious misdemeanourss. Yet the jockey was suspended for only TWO years. Compare this to the proposed life ban which the NRL is banging on about for Simona. I believe that if the NRL are persuaded by their interest in preserving their "gold mine" betting agencies and give Simona a life ban then he is well within his rights to appeal against the verdict and would very likely win his appeal.

That's actually incorrect Newtown.

James McDonald was suspended for betting but he never bet on a rival horse his bet was actually on the horse he rode in the race which in turn won the race.

Simonas circumstances are totally different as he's alleged to have bet against his team hence why he's looking a life ban rather than a shorter stint away.

Also, let's be real: if we're looking to horse racing as a sport with standards of probity and integrity to which the NRL should aspire we've already got a problem. Sports like racing (horse and dog) and boxing are exactly why a code has to take a zero-tolerance view on genuine integrity issues. They just can'trun the risk of the audience not trusting the product.

Bingo, McDonald copped an 18 month suspension for backing his mount yet they hit Damien Oliver with a feather & only received a 10 month suspension from memory for having 10k on a rival horse about 5yrs ago 😱pen_mouth: