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To be fair that's her own problem. She wanted to out him in order to get some sort of petty revenge on him so she too can live and die by her actions.
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To be fair that's her own problem. She wanted to out him in order to get some sort of petty revenge on him so she too can live and die by her actions.
GNR4LIFE
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Not sure why so many are upset about Simona ratting his teammates out. Not that i condone it, but if there are players in our squad using the white powder they deserve to be outed imo. No one is upset that Simona's ex ratted him out in the first place, so why be upset that he's doing the same. If there's rubbish like this going on at our club i don't want it swept under the rug.
Bird is the Word
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There is a big difference between reporting your team mates' drug habits to the club or to a journalist. If he was looking after the interests of the club, or concerned about the wellbeing of his team mates, then reporting it to the club is the right thing to do, as it would allow them the opportunity to manage the situation effectively… There is no reason to report it to a journalist, other than for money or to justify his own behaviour...
Simona seems like someone who only cares about himself and has no regard for rules or his impacts on other people, wouldnt surprise if he ends up in prison at some point...
Simona seems like someone who only cares about himself and has no regard for rules or his impacts on other people, wouldnt surprise if he ends up in prison at some point...
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I agree somewhat. I don't like knowing our players could be dabbling in coke which could be affecting their performances, but the circumstances are a little different. Simona got ratted out by a jilted ex, whereas he's basically ratting out his team mates in order to take the heat off himself. As mashies said, he's ratted them out to a journalist as well, so he's not doing it in the interests of their welfare.
GNR4LIFE
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I guess. And i guess he could have told the club behind closed doors instead of a journo. The end result is the same though, if there's an issue here, address it.
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We move in vastly different circles i suggest. I agree with evrything you say except for the point where most people accept drug use even if they don't partake.
I am not aware of a single person that accepts it as the norm. And i have more experience than the average person in these areas.
The NRL is exactly the place where this type of issue should be raised and worked on for society's benefit. Saying it's a society problem and not the NRL is just a lazy Cop Out
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I think you will find in the younger demographic recreational drug use and socialising is common practice, especially in the major cities And while there are those that will not engage, they will more than likely accept that they have friends that do.
I am sure the NRL are more than aware considering, players are members of the demographic that are most risk adverse to experimenting with drugs, and when they cashed up and have the freedom on the off season to party, you can almost guarantee there will be an element who will travel down that path.
jirskyr
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Here's the thing I don't get - how did Simona put on some $600 worth of NRL bets and only get one win? I can see they could have been fairly risky / stupid bets, but I mean there are at least 40 bets there and he only wins one, that's a pathetic strike rate for someone with an intimate knowledge of the game.
Just curious how he could be so bad. I win about >50% of my bets over a regular season and I don't know anything specific except what I see on the TV and read in the paper.
Just curious how he could be so bad. I win about >50% of my bets over a regular season and I don't know anything specific except what I see on the TV and read in the paper.
Byron_Bay_Fan
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News today that there were 150,000 admissions to hospitals per annum due to ice hassles, that is one drug only and only those really bad cases, so imagine how widespread drug use is. (it is sending hospitals broke)
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Thats correct, but not because there are 150,000 users. It relates to tbings like assault victims including emergency services, pychiatric reports and many other presentations at various hospitals.
Anyway, this is getting off topic.
What better way to kerb the "attractiveness" of illicit drugs than to ensure, through rigourous testing and contract termination in the instances drug use amongst the elite role models of the NRL. Its a culture change that could effectively be introduced with a stroke of the pen. No 3 strikes, no pathetic two week bans, just a 'if you get caught in posession or using, your lucrative and privelidged contract is instantly terminated.'
This is the culture we need at WT. The club is more important, not you!
I really don't care about the youth of today and how easily it is to get hold of these so called recreational drugs..it has been proven many times that some get HIGH at home before they go out at night,hence the coward punches and deaths of innocent people,the more of these rabble they put in gaol then the better…Everyone knows right from wrong it is published everywhere but it still continues..I know some people are young and weak,but is it their problem or the education they get at home or schools ??? I'm pretty sure they are told to say"NO TO DRUGS"..I do not want to be a member of a professional NRL club or side that just sweeps this stuff under the carpet...the players are well versed on the use of prohibited drugs,if they go there then it is to their own avail..The nrl players are looked up at as being heros of the game by our children,not gambling,drug taking baffoons...if that's what they want ,then I don't want any part of it,I would not renew a membership if this garbage was to continue...as for Simona,he knew what he was doing was wrong and if his ex didn't dob him in how much longer would he be deceiving us,the member and staunch supporter of this club....
Cosimo_Zaretti
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I could only read chapter 1/6 because I'm not a tele subscriber. Does anyone feel like pasting the other 5? For educational purposes obviously.
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There are other forms of recreational drugs that young people use some of which are relatively cheap, and often cheaper than alchohol There is a reason the drug trade is big business - the level of demand . Just saying NRL players are in the demographic where experimenting with drugs is most prevelent, it stands to reason that they will at times be faced with "do I or dont I" just like other young people who like to socialise/party and are curious about the effect of drugs Not suggesting that players are all addicts and or even regular users, but certainly many will have taken a risk at some point because thats what most young people do
innsaneink
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Youve posted a lot on this topic telltails
I think Ive agreed with every single one of those comments
I think Ive agreed with every single one of those comments
I agree too. Pretty spot on. Just the actual use numbers are a bit overstated IMO, but theres no argument from me. Nice to have a constructive discussion occasionally without it degenerating into the inevitable position where everything is the coaches fault, as some on here constantly preach.
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Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor knew something was up with Tim Simona but couldn’t help him
MARCH 13, 20177:16PM
Paul Kent
The Daily Telegraph
A LOT fits into place for Jason Taylor now. For several seasons Taylor and his coaching staff dealt with Tim Simona playing like Tarzan one week, Jane the next. It all got revealed Sunday morning when Taylor picked up the paper and saw the level of destruction Simona had invited into his life. Now banned and unlikely to return to the NRL, Simona revealed drug and gambling addictions that saw him sink to the point he not only bet against his team, but against himself.
“I can’t imagine how he got through every week at training and through games with all that going on in the back of his mind,” Taylor says. “That would have been holding him back every step of the way.”
With every line Taylor read the pieces were falling into place. “The big thing for me is that I have been worried about Tim’s progress for some time,” he said. “And when I talk about progress, I mean as a player.” Taylor says he did all he could to monitor Simona. Simona brought talent but inconsistency. He did things on the field that brought the crowd to its feet and the coaching box to its knees. From week to week and, sometimes, play to play. It was a puzzle Taylor and his staff set about solving, albeit naively in hindsight. “For me, there were questions about why he was like that and sometimes that’s just who players are and you don’t get to the bottom of that,” he says. “It’s just that they don’t have the ability to produce their best week in and week out. “So while I didn’t know any of this stuff was going on for it to be perceived out there that I had no idea that something was wrong, that’s not correct. I had an idea, I just didn’t know what.”
It is not like Simona did not have the chance to find help, either. He did all the education mandated by the NRL and the Tigers had personal sessions with the club’s welfare officer and Taylor himself.
“I spent a lot of time with him over the last couple of years, in one-on-one situations, talking about first his footy and consistency in that area, but also talking with him about life off the field and questioning him about how that was and whether he was under control,” Taylor says. “That has such an influence on your footy. I’d ask about family and check in with him and every time he assured me that everything was good and that life was going well.”
Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe has an easier explanation. “It works for the majority of our players and it doesn’t work for the players who are dishonest,” he says. “You can’t build a system that works around dishonesty, you can’t capture it.” Who knows why players don’t talk to coaches. Why Simona, who we now know had drug and gambling addictions, was betting against his own team and an ugly, complicated relationship breakdown, was unable to talk to his coach. His bets were small and, once placed beside his $325,000-a-year contract, quite stupid. But it must also be remembered the Tigers lost three games by less than a try last season and missed the finals by a single competition point.
Simona played just one of those games, when Jarryd Hayne memorably kicked a field goal at Campbelltown for the Gold Coast to win 19-18\. Rugby league also has a compound effect, though. A missed tackle early leads to a try, a try becomes two because momentum is going the other way and, after that, who really knows?
Taylor has no interest in looking through his notes on Simona’s performance or even footage in some of those close losses. “We can’t go back, we can’t look back,” he said. “There are so many things that happen across the course of a season. “The biggest thing is that all of this that was going on was clearly holding us back as a team and we won’t have this holding us back in 2017.”
Taylor texted Simona when he first got stood down by the NRL, telling him he was there if he needed to talk. “He told me he appreciated that,” Taylor says. He won’t talk about their state of their relationship now. He speaks now hoping it will bookend a troubling time for the club and his team.
He refused to speak about Simona before Sunday’s game and after it, insisting Sunday remained all about the team’s performance. But it never was.
“Sunday’s story made performances on Sunday afternoon tough for everyone,” he says. “That was a tough day for us as a team. We had to address that with the players.” Taylor spoke to skipper Aaron Woods and the leadership group first and then all the players in the dressing room before the game.
“There wasn’t much interaction,” he says. “It was basically me talking to the guys and then we got on with the preparation.” Nobody knows why the NRL left the door ajar for Simona to possibly return, suspending him “indefinitely” instead of simply saying he faced a life ban. Pascoe said the wording had no bearing on how the Tigers feel should Simona seek a return to the NRL in three to four years, as some predict. “If I was still in the chair I’d find it very hard to welcome a player back into the organisation,” he says.
MARCH 13, 20177:16PM
Paul Kent
The Daily Telegraph
A LOT fits into place for Jason Taylor now. For several seasons Taylor and his coaching staff dealt with Tim Simona playing like Tarzan one week, Jane the next. It all got revealed Sunday morning when Taylor picked up the paper and saw the level of destruction Simona had invited into his life. Now banned and unlikely to return to the NRL, Simona revealed drug and gambling addictions that saw him sink to the point he not only bet against his team, but against himself.
“I can’t imagine how he got through every week at training and through games with all that going on in the back of his mind,” Taylor says. “That would have been holding him back every step of the way.”
With every line Taylor read the pieces were falling into place. “The big thing for me is that I have been worried about Tim’s progress for some time,” he said. “And when I talk about progress, I mean as a player.” Taylor says he did all he could to monitor Simona. Simona brought talent but inconsistency. He did things on the field that brought the crowd to its feet and the coaching box to its knees. From week to week and, sometimes, play to play. It was a puzzle Taylor and his staff set about solving, albeit naively in hindsight. “For me, there were questions about why he was like that and sometimes that’s just who players are and you don’t get to the bottom of that,” he says. “It’s just that they don’t have the ability to produce their best week in and week out. “So while I didn’t know any of this stuff was going on for it to be perceived out there that I had no idea that something was wrong, that’s not correct. I had an idea, I just didn’t know what.”
It is not like Simona did not have the chance to find help, either. He did all the education mandated by the NRL and the Tigers had personal sessions with the club’s welfare officer and Taylor himself.
“I spent a lot of time with him over the last couple of years, in one-on-one situations, talking about first his footy and consistency in that area, but also talking with him about life off the field and questioning him about how that was and whether he was under control,” Taylor says. “That has such an influence on your footy. I’d ask about family and check in with him and every time he assured me that everything was good and that life was going well.”
Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe has an easier explanation. “It works for the majority of our players and it doesn’t work for the players who are dishonest,” he says. “You can’t build a system that works around dishonesty, you can’t capture it.” Who knows why players don’t talk to coaches. Why Simona, who we now know had drug and gambling addictions, was betting against his own team and an ugly, complicated relationship breakdown, was unable to talk to his coach. His bets were small and, once placed beside his $325,000-a-year contract, quite stupid. But it must also be remembered the Tigers lost three games by less than a try last season and missed the finals by a single competition point.
Simona played just one of those games, when Jarryd Hayne memorably kicked a field goal at Campbelltown for the Gold Coast to win 19-18\. Rugby league also has a compound effect, though. A missed tackle early leads to a try, a try becomes two because momentum is going the other way and, after that, who really knows?
Taylor has no interest in looking through his notes on Simona’s performance or even footage in some of those close losses. “We can’t go back, we can’t look back,” he said. “There are so many things that happen across the course of a season. “The biggest thing is that all of this that was going on was clearly holding us back as a team and we won’t have this holding us back in 2017.”
Taylor texted Simona when he first got stood down by the NRL, telling him he was there if he needed to talk. “He told me he appreciated that,” Taylor says. He won’t talk about their state of their relationship now. He speaks now hoping it will bookend a troubling time for the club and his team.
He refused to speak about Simona before Sunday’s game and after it, insisting Sunday remained all about the team’s performance. But it never was.
“Sunday’s story made performances on Sunday afternoon tough for everyone,” he says. “That was a tough day for us as a team. We had to address that with the players.” Taylor spoke to skipper Aaron Woods and the leadership group first and then all the players in the dressing room before the game.
“There wasn’t much interaction,” he says. “It was basically me talking to the guys and then we got on with the preparation.” Nobody knows why the NRL left the door ajar for Simona to possibly return, suspending him “indefinitely” instead of simply saying he faced a life ban. Pascoe said the wording had no bearing on how the Tigers feel should Simona seek a return to the NRL in three to four years, as some predict. “If I was still in the chair I’d find it very hard to welcome a player back into the organisation,” he says.
Good article offering some insight there. Just hope this saga is over from the clubs perspective and they can get on with focussing on playing footy. Wouldn't have been an ideal preparation talking about that crap in the sheds before game.. Hopefully no more dramas, there always is with our club.
Just saw his interview on Fox …say what you like about Taylor whether you rate him or not..he definitely cares about his players...
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