Tim Simona - Deregistered

[Nelson]

Where do we go from here, let's go after Jordan Kahu or Dale Copley to fill a vacant centre position !! Kahu is the player I'd go after he's big, can play fullback, wing or centre .. and he goal kick !! He is currently not in the starting 13 for the Ponies .. if he wants a starting position it's his !!

Kahu is a starter in their backline, particularly given he'll be their goal kicker:

1\. Boyd
2\. Mead
3\. Kahu
4\. Roberts
5\. Oates

If Moga or Benji want to get a look in they'll need to prove themselves in the lower grades first.

Copley may not get a look in at the Roosters though with Gordon, Ferguson, Mitchell, SKD, Tupou, Matterson, Manu all vying for spots with him.

 

[TYGA]

There is precedent on this Ethan Lowe and David Williams. It's a few game suspension If they are minor bets. Stupidity and deserves punishment but if they are 10 bets really this is a huge beat up by the NRL to ensure the Titans are not impacted. It's a bigger story that the NRL revealed this when he was off to the Titans and not after a deal was done.

 

[ricksen]

Yeah Copley is one that I'd be looking at, given he won't be starting in their full strength side.
One of the Panther backs too, depending on who misses out (Whare, Blake, Hiku etc).

 

[gallagher]

There is precedent on this Ethan Lowe and David Williams. It's a few game suspension If they are minor bets. Stupidity and deserves punishment but if they are 10 bets really this is a huge beat up by the NRL to ensure the Titans are not impacted. It's a bigger story that the NRL revealed this when he was off to the Titans and not after a deal was done.

Were they betting on their own games? I dont remember Lowe getting done.

 

[southerntiger]

Many miss the point it is not the size of a bet ..if these bets are successful well human nature kicks in lets make a bigger then bigger bet then all of a sudden that person becomes beholden to a third party this is when match fixing rares its ugly head .Quoted in the SMH Simona was dobbed in and was betting in Tigers games ,if anyone thinks because of the size of the bet it is OK think again this type of behaviour is at the decrement of the team as the certain player plays for himself for monetary gain! The size of the bet is NOT the issue.

Of course the size of the bet matters. Any suggestion to the contrary is nonsensical puritanical rubbish.

There are varying degrees of wrongdoing:

1\. Betting on NRL games - contrary to the NRL rules but not a criminal offence

2\. Betting for the Tigers to win - contrary to the NRL rules but not a criminal offence (as far as I am aware)

3\. Betting for the Tigers to win by a specific score but not taking any action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and not a criminal offence (as far I am aware)

4\. Betting against the Tigers but not taking any action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and not a criminal offence (as far I am aware)

5\. Betting for the Tigers to win by a specific score and taking action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and a criminal offence

6\. Betting against the Tigers and taking action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and a criminal offence

The size of the bet is clearly relevant. For example, if Simona bet $5 against the Tigers I highly doubt that would motivate him to actually do anything in game to cause the Tigers to lose.

It would be interesting to find out what he actually did. The NRL's initial statement re cancelling his registration made me think his actions were in the 5 to 6 camp or at least 3 and 4\. If it turns out it is only in the 1 category, the RLPA should be crying out in outrage.

I find it interesting that Foran is allowed to play after intimidating and harassing a dying woman (combined with his other sins). If Simona's actions were in the 1 category there is clearly double standards.

I disagree with the posters who say taking recreational drugs is worse. That is, generally, a matter for the criminal law and does not impact upon the integrity of the NRL. I know it is an unpopular view but I have never understood why the NRL should be able to get involved in players' personal lives.

Match fixing, by contrast, and betting on the game, to a lesser extent, directly impact on the integrity of the game and it is appropriate that the NRL impose sanctions. My only concern in this case is the lack of proportionality - if his actions fall within category 1 - between his actions and the proposed cancellation of his player registration.

 

[TYGA]

There is precedent on this Ethan Lowe and David Williams. It's a few game suspension If they are minor bets. Stupidity and deserves punishment but if they are 10 bets really this is a huge beat up by the NRL to ensure the Titans are not impacted. It's a bigger story that the NRL revealed this when he was off to the Titans and not after a deal was done.

Were they betting on their own games? I dont remember Lowe getting done.

They were it involved Lowe, Hummel Hunt and Slade Griffin small bets on their teams. Williams I recall was for longer 6 games or so but I think the bets were much larger.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

Seriously, $10 bets all on himself? They are interest/fun bets, he is not trying to make money. Does not deserve to lose a year's salary for that, education is the action required.

You would think there would be bigger fish to fry.

Its probably the same scenario as Williams at Manly,the real extent of his Bets and relationship with Bookies were never made Public.

 

[gallagher]

There is precedent on this Ethan Lowe and David Williams. It's a few game suspension If they are minor bets. Stupidity and deserves punishment but if they are 10 bets really this is a huge beat up by the NRL to ensure the Titans are not impacted. It's a bigger story that the NRL revealed this when he was off to the Titans and not after a deal was done.

Were they betting on their own games? I dont remember Lowe getting done.

They were it involved Lowe, Hummel Hunt and Slade Griffin small bets on their teams. Williams I recall was for longer 6 games or so but I think the bets were much larger.

Cheers. Well if theyve set a precendent they gotta follow on with it. Looks like Timbo will be staying.

 

[Masterton]

Of course the size of the bet matters. Any suggestion to the contrary is nonsensical puritanical rubbish.

I disagree. I'm a believer in second chances for stupid mistakes, but you just can not open the door to match fixers. How long before a shady character is blackmailing you. "Drop the ball in the first set or this will become public." These blokes are scum and will take any advantage they can.

 

[TCL]

Many miss the point it is not the size of a bet ..if these bets are successful well human nature kicks in lets make a bigger then bigger bet then all of a sudden that person becomes beholden to a third party this is when match fixing rares its ugly head .Quoted in the SMH Simona was dobbed in and was betting in Tigers games ,if anyone thinks because of the size of the bet it is OK think again this type of behaviour is at the decrement of the team as the certain player plays for himself for monetary gain! The size of the bet is NOT the issue.

Totally agree, betting on games your'e playing in is corruption. He needs to be suspended if found guilty.

Not to blur the lines, but happens when we apply that theory to Lovett?

 

[hugh1954]

I just hope that this is not drawn out and we find other WT players involved in any way, Talk about another destroying season. Not knowing the circumstances i guess we have to back our player for now !!!!!

 

[innsaneink]

I doubt others are involved, I reckon they wouldnt have realeased this info if they were still investigating

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Seriously, $10 bets all on himself? They are interest/fun bets, he is not trying to make money. Does not deserve to lose a year's salary for that, education is the action required.

You would think there would be bigger fish to fry.

Its probably the same scenario as Williams at Manly,the real extent of his Bets and relationship with Bookies were never made Public.

What happened with the whole Foran/Eddie Hayseed scenario in the end, did anything come of it? One minute Foran is supposedly looking at a lifetime ban from the NRL, police investigation, the whole shebang….. next minute he is free to play and the whole matter is conveniently forgotten about by Greenburg and his band of shonky, immoral mental midgets.
Easy fix for Simona, have an alledged "attempt at his own life" (which conveniently in Foran's case got leaked to the media) and TimSim will be back playing in a heartbeat. It works. The precedent has been set. The ol' mental-illness-get-out-of-jail-free card. I would be surprised if that isn't an actual thing in the modern version of Monopoly.

 

[gallagher]

There is precedent on this Ethan Lowe and David Williams. It's a few game suspension If they are minor bets. Stupidity and deserves punishment but if they are 10 bets really this is a huge beat up by the NRL to ensure the Titans are not impacted. It's a bigger story that the NRL revealed this when he was off to the Titans and not after a deal was done.

Were they betting on their own games? I dont remember Lowe getting done.

They were it involved Lowe, Hummel Hunt and Slade Griffin small bets on their teams. Williams I recall was for longer 6 games or so but I think the bets were much larger.

Cheers. Well if theyve set a precendent they gotta follow on with it. Looks like Timbo will be staying.

I got no problem with either of them being sacked by the tigers. The less stupid people at the club the better.

 

[southerntiger]

Of course the size of the bet matters. Any suggestion to the contrary is nonsensical puritanical rubbish.

I disagree. I'm a believer in second chances for stupid mistakes, but you just can not open the door to match fixers. How long before a shady character is blackmailing you. "Drop the ball in the first set or this will become public." These blokes are scum and will take any advantage they can.

So, you think that betting on the Eels v Sharks is the same as betting on the Tigers to lose by 12 and then proceeding to ensure that happens? Weird ethics.

 

[tigger2010]

I really like Tim as a player,feel he never gets enough quality ball from our halves but still often finds the line.If he is found guilty of this,whether it be minor or large betting i dont think he should stay,tigers need to take a firm stance on this,the players are all well educated about the rules of what can and cant be done,and too much risk involved if you allowed him to stay.I would like to see Lovett gone as well,an average player already and now caught with drugs.Tigers are clearly trying to show they are all about player welfare after certain articles and comments made last year,but this is a business and they also need to make good business decisions.

 

[Telltails]

Were they betting on their own games? I dont remember Lowe getting done.

They were it involved Lowe, Hummel Hunt and Slade Griffin small bets on their teams. Williams I recall was for longer 6 games or so but I think the bets were much larger.

Cheers. Well if theyve set a precendent they gotta follow on with it. Looks like Timbo will be staying.

I got no problem with either of them being sacked by the tigers. The less stupid people at the club the better.

Sort of think if every club sacked the players that made dumb mistakes there would be no competition - or at the very least a comp stacked with injury ridden over thirties.
They are pretty much institutionalised from the time they are teenagers in a very regimented and yet financially rewarding world. That however doesn't make the brain mature any faster and they are still tempted by all that is on offer around them.
Until they figure out a way to train a brain at under twenty five not take to risks and considering all clubs a laden with players in this age group, I expect we will keep seeing idiotic decisions being made. Some are going to learn the hard way.

 

[Snake]

Many miss the point it is not the size of a bet ..if these bets are successful well human nature kicks in lets make a bigger then bigger bet then all of a sudden that person becomes beholden to a third party this is when match fixing rares its ugly head .Quoted in the SMH Simona was dobbed in and was betting in Tigers games ,if anyone thinks because of the size of the bet it is OK think again this type of behaviour is at the decrement of the team as the certain player plays for himself for monetary gain! The size of the bet is NOT the issue.

Of course the size of the bet matters. Any suggestion to the contrary is nonsensical puritanical rubbish.

There are varying degrees of wrongdoing:

1\. Betting on NRL games - contrary to the NRL rules but not a criminal offence

2\. Betting for the Tigers to win - contrary to the NRL rules but not a criminal offence (as far as I am aware)

3\. Betting for the Tigers to win by a specific score but not taking any action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and not a criminal offence (as far I am aware)

4\. Betting against the Tigers but not taking any action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and not a criminal offence (as far I am aware)

5\. Betting for the Tigers to win by a specific score and taking action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and a criminal offence

6\. Betting against the Tigers and taking action in game to achieve such a result - contrary to the NRL rules and a criminal offence

The size of the bet is clearly relevant. For example, if Simona bet $5 against the Tigers I highly doubt that would motivate him to actually do anything in game to cause the Tigers to lose.

It would be interesting to find out what he actually did. The NRL's initial statement re cancelling his registration made me think his actions were in the 5 to 6 camp or at least 3 and 4\. If it turns out it is only in the 1 category, the RLPA should be crying out in outrage.

I find it interesting that Foran is allowed to play after intimidating and harassing a dying woman (combined with his other sins). If Simona's actions were in the 1 category there is clearly double standards.

I disagree with the posters who say taking recreational drugs is worse. That is, generally, a matter for the criminal law and does not impact upon the integrity of the NRL. I know it is an unpopular view but I have never understood why the NRL should be able to get involved in players' personal lives.

Match fixing, by contrast, and betting on the game, to a lesser extent, directly impact on the integrity of the game and it is appropriate that the NRL impose sanctions. My only concern in this case is the lack of proportionality - if his actions fall within category 1 - between his actions and the proposed cancellation of his player registration.

So it is ok to bet against the team you are playing with ..which in turn affects how the individual performs well go figure as long as it is a small bet!

 

[southerntiger]

No its not okay but it clearly is different to betting $100,000 on the opposing team. I suspect few players would alter their performance for a $5 or $10 bet, particularly when the other side is usually the favourite anyway.

 

[Masterton]

Of course the size of the bet matters. Any suggestion to the contrary is nonsensical puritanical rubbish.

I disagree. I'm a believer in second chances for stupid mistakes, but you just can not open the door to match fixers. How long before a shady character is blackmailing you. "Drop the ball in the first set or this will become public." These blokes are scum and will take any advantage they can.

So, you think that betting on the Eels v Sharks is the same as betting on the Tigers to lose by 12 and then proceeding to ensure that happens? Weird ethics.

Wha? That's got nothing to do with the SIZE of the bet.

Anyways, I'm not concerned with the ethics of the matter. While sympathetic to Simona (I've done stupid things in my time), he was well aware of the possible consequences, and the game needs to protect itself.

EDIT: Rereading your post, maybe you meant the size of the wrong-doing?