Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ

[Mighty_Tiger]

400k a year isn’t terrible for DWZ.

Not many would take a pay cut of 4-500k for a year

Given his age I would stay for a year earn 880k and get the 3-400k for the next 2-3yrs after as he will get that easily after next season anyway with expansion on the cards.

Also giving the Bulldogs 800k to play with next year or even half that would be massive boost for them.

 

[Spartan117]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

800k for DWZ. Brilliant.

Why do the dogs any favours?

 

[jadtiger]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

I know it is Pooper but 880k for DWZ is laughable in the extreme,i heard he was on 800k and that is far too much.For WT to be interested i would hope he would be getting 320k max because he is nowhere near the figures being mentioned

 

[hsvjones]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

Agree mate.
DWZ is an excellent winger and a position that we need covered and the plus side is he can cover FB if needed. I put him in the Joe O situation where he is in the wrong system and wrong position and a change is needed.. If we can pick him up for 400k that is a great deal considering this guy has played and captained his country, Exceled on the wing and is still young..
Everyone has there arms in the air saying 400k is a waste and would rather 3 juniors but let be honest here...... We cannot have a squad of juniors without experienced guys as that is never going to win you games. They are inconsistent and need guidance but hey if you all want a squad of 30 guys under 20 than good luck to you.
Every top team winning games have experience across the field and I for one would rather DWZ on the wing where is doesn't have to run the show and can just focus on running the ball back hard. Or we could have Tommy T there making silly errors every game.

 

[Spartan117]

Ridiculous that the Tigers are even entertaining this signature unless its half the amount.

This is a very big PR test Tigers management.

 

[Thaiger]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

We don't need him - we've got bigger problems in the short term than winger. We've got a war chest building so let's not waste it on someone 2 clubs have been keen to shop around. Nobody can tell me that at least one of Ogden, Kei or Alexander won't become genuine NRL players next year so why are we even considering such a move? I'm sick to death of people on this forum saying you can't stick juniors in - like anybody/anything, some will make it and some won't. You have to take an informed punt somewhere. For every kid that was put in too early, there's another one that went in and made it even if it took a few games or an extra season.

Also, can everyone stop saying he's only 25 - he's 26 in a month or so and using the rhetoric in reverse, coming into his 27th year.

We need to put our business hat on - he's not worth it even at half the price.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

 

[tony soprano]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

Cause he’s performance has been poor

 

[TrueTiger]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine has just half a season in NRL and still learning,DWZ is a seasoned NRL player and rep player....Laurie would be glad just to be in the shed let alone displeased that someone is being paid more than him that has been in the game a lot longer...irrespective of DWZ ability or salary,Hartigan would know better than any of us and I am happy for him to make the right call....

 

[TigerWest]

400k a year isn’t terrible for DWZ.

Not many would take a pay cut of 4-500k for a year

Given his age I would stay for a year earn 880k and get the 3-400k for the next 2-3yrs after as he will get that easily after next season anyway with expansion on the cards.

Also giving the Bulldogs 800k to play with next year or even half that would be massive boost for them.

Wont the dogs have to pay the balance of his contract after anything we give him?

 

[BZN]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

$400,000? You have to be joking. I wouldn't take him at all and that is a reflection on Maguire. I thought we had past dumb signings? It seems we aren't!

G'day P&C1 : With great respect :+1: as I am certainly not singling your post out, there have been many other posts with the same punch line.
It seems to me that if there is criticism to be made of a current or future player purchase it's Madge's fault.
But on the other hand if there is praise for an astute purchase it seems it's Hartigan's great decision.

I reckon it's about time we stopped this... 'it's Madge's fault'
and recognised the positive changes Madge has made and will continue to make in getting Us out of the abyss Cleary got Us into, before taking the cowards way out and leaving Us with a broken down bus with 4 flat tyres.
Do you know how heavy and difficult bus tyres are to repair? I do as I drove a bus for State Transit along Vict. Rd. for 15 years before I retired in 2004.
So with that knowledge I reckon Madge and the Team have only replaced 1 tyre so far, and the quality of the ride will only get better.
It wont happen o'nite, but Madge and the team including Pascoe, will turn Wests Tigers into a luxury coach... with 6 wheels...
and that's better than Cleary's crappy 4 wheel bus.

 

[Sco77y]

By established I mean competently playing NRL in a reputable team. And by solid I actually mean in career best (or close to) form, and displaying attributes and skills that almost independently lift their team i.e. a potential/recognised superstar, or at least a universally recognised very high quality player.

Haha sorry I find this paragraph pretty funny. By solid you actually mean potential or recognised superstar, or at least UNIVERSALLY recognised as very high quality?

OK but I would propose to you that isn't remotely what the word "solid" implies.

So no Tigers don't make a habit of signing superstars, we never really have, and Nicho Hynes, if that is indeed your example, isn't a superstar or universally recognised. Bloke dead set has played about 5 excellent matches, 7 pretty good matches, 10 moderate off-bench matches in a medium-duration but limited on-field career.

I also don't agree with your interpretation of what established is - playing well in a good team? For how long? 1 match? 20 matches? Arguably under your definition, guys like Joe Stimson, Sandor Earl, Albert Vete, Cheyse Blair, Young Tonumaipea, Mo Blair, Ben Hampton etc. were established at Melbourne, because they played alright and the team overall was doing well. And where are they now?

Hence my recognition that it was a bad choice of words, I was being modest.

No need to make a habit of signing superstars, but it would be nice to sign a player of that calibre to continue building the team at this point in time – and we’ve undeniably missed quite a few opportunities in recent history, whether that be our fault or not, or whether that worked out better or worse for us – it isn’t my point, which was only to recognise that we do tend to miss out on what appear to be good opportunities, and in place (barring developing/junior players) sign players who were once highly regarded or considered stars but are a shadow of their former selves. There are too many to name and we all know who they are. But DWZ would be the latest addition to that list!

Nicho Hynes is a potential superstar – are there many who would disagree with that? I’m not sure anyone would disagree that he’d be a high quality signing either.
Established is hard to quantify, in this context I’m sure there would be many interpretations as to what EXACT definition this fits. How about performing well for their team recently, say year to date – half a season or so? This is only half of the criteria I mentioned however, and those players you mention, I can’t say whether they’d have qualified for the other half at the time (being a very good player in their own right). But I’m pretty sure Sandor Earl didn’t, for one.


I think hynes has talent, but I do believe he won’t be as good for the sharks. I would say the sharks Will regret paying the600k. He looks better than he is because of the players around him. I wouldn’t say he’s a game breaker but a solid player who hopefully will improve in a good team.

Potentially, yes he could be one of those players who look better in a great team. I have more of an issue with signing DWZ than not signing someone like Nicho Hynes though. To put it in perspective, if we'd signed DWZ instead of MWZ at the time, that would have been a good signing. Now, years later after he doesn't seem to be that same sought after player, not so much.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine has just half a season in NRL and still learning,DWZ is a seasoned NRL player and rep player....Laurie would be glad just to be in the shed let alone displeased that someone is being paid more than him that has been in the game a lot longer...irrespective of DWZ ability or salary,Hartigan would know better than any of us and I am happy for him to make the right call....

DWZ has been a disaster for the Bulldogs, not only his contract amount but standard of play. Why bring that to our club?

 

[Newtown]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine has just half a season in NRL and still learning,DWZ is a seasoned NRL player and rep player....Laurie would be glad just to be in the shed let alone displeased that someone is being paid more than him that has been in the game a lot longer...irrespective of DWZ ability or salary,Hartigan would know better than any of us and I am happy for him to make the right call....

DWZ has been a disaster for the Bulldogs, not only his contract amount but standard of play. Why bring that to our club?

He is a waste of money. I hope Wests Tigers' Admin are not boneheads.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

$400,000? You have to be joking. I wouldn't take him at all and that is a reflection on Maguire. I thought we had past dumb signings? It seems we aren't!

G'day P&C1 : With great respect :+1: as I am certainly not singling your post out, there have been many other posts with the same punch line.
It seems to me that if there is criticism to be made of a current or future player purchase it's Madge's fault.
But on the other hand if there is praise for an astute purchase it seems it's Hartigan's great decision.

I reckon it's about time we stopped this... 'it's Madge's fault'
and recognised the positive changes Madge has made and will continue to make in getting Us out of the abyss Cleary got Us into, before taking the cowards way out and leaving Us with a broken down bus with 4 flat tyres.
Do you know how heavy and difficult bus tyres are to repair? I do as I drove a bus for State Transit along Vict. Rd. for 15 years before I retired in 2004.
So with that knowledge I reckon Madge and the Team have only replaced 1 tyre so far, and the quality of the ride will only get better.
It wont happen o'nite, but Madge and the team including Pascoe, will turn Wests Tigers into a luxury coach... with 6 wheels...
and that's better than Cleary's crappy 4 wheel bus.

Isn't Maguire the head coach? Ultimately he takes responsibilty for NRL acquisitions? Do you believe an NRL player would be signed without his agreement? Much is made of his link to DWZ via the NZ team. I believe it a bit beyond the realms of possibility that his hand is all not over this potential buy.

Cleary is just confirming for those that need it, that he is a very good coach. I don't doubt that if Maguire had the Panthers, he would fail to get the same results as Cleary.

 

[TigerWest]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

$400,000? You have to be joking. I wouldn't take him at all and that is a reflection on Maguire. I thought we had past dumb signings? It seems we aren't!

G'day P&C1 : With great respect :+1: as I am certainly not singling your post out, there have been many other posts with the same punch line.
It seems to me that if there is criticism to be made of a current or future player purchase it's Madge's fault.
But on the other hand if there is praise for an astute purchase it seems it's Hartigan's great decision.

I reckon it's about time we stopped this... 'it's Madge's fault'
and recognised the positive changes Madge has made and will continue to make in getting Us out of the abyss Cleary got Us into, before taking the cowards way out and leaving Us with a broken down bus with 4 flat tyres.
Do you know how heavy and difficult bus tyres are to repair? I do as I drove a bus for State Transit along Vict. Rd. for 15 years before I retired in 2004.
So with that knowledge I reckon Madge and the Team have only replaced 1 tyre so far, and the quality of the ride will only get better.
It wont happen o'nite, but Madge and the team including Pascoe, will turn Wests Tigers into a luxury coach... with 6 wheels...
and that's better than Cleary's crappy 4 wheel bus.

Isn't Maguire the head coach? Ultimately he takes responsibilty for NRL acquisitions? Do you believe an NRL player would be signed without his agreement? Much is made of his link to DWZ via the NZ team. I believe it a bit beyond the realms of possibility that his hand is all not over this potential buy.

Cleary is just confirming for those that need it, that he is a very good coach. I don't doubt that if Maguire had the Panthers, he would fail to get the same results as

I have deleted my comments after reading your family issues, now is not the time, it’s only footy after all.
I hope all goes as well as you can hope for.

 

[rihannafan1]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine Laurie's career doesn't hold a candle to DWZ. If he's upset about the former captain of NZ earning more than him he needs a clip around the ears. What, the club chasing him hard, giving him a 4 year deal and trading players to get him early isn't flattering enough?

Seriously, 10 good weeks in first grade makes you a promising player but far from a good one. One injury and he could be toast and people on here would turn on him faster than my dog chasing a ball.

I'd hate to be the manager of some you blokes. Seems like you'd want a pay rise after a quarter of good results.

 

[TrueTiger]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine has just half a season in NRL and still learning,DWZ is a seasoned NRL player and rep player....Laurie would be glad just to be in the shed let alone displeased that someone is being paid more than him that has been in the game a lot longer...irrespective of DWZ ability or salary,Hartigan would know better than any of us and I am happy for him to make the right call....

DWZ has been a disaster for the Bulldogs, not only his contract amount but standard of play. Why bring that to our club?

Same could be said about Joe O....wasnt performing to his ability or paycheque....Madge has him playing SOO,so things can change for players,being in the wrong kind of system for starters...

 

[BZN]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine Laurie's career doesn't hold a candle to DWZ. If he's upset about the former captain of NZ earning more than him he needs a clip around the ears. What, the club chasing him hard, giving him a 4 year deal and trading players to get him early isn't flattering enough?

Seriously, 10 good weeks in first grade makes you a promising player but far from a good one. One injury and he could be toast and people on here would turn on him faster than my dog chasing a ball.

I'd hate to be the manager of some you blokes. Seems like you'd want a pay rise after a quarter of good results.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :left-facing_fist:

 

[ElleryHanley]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought we were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**