Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ

[BZN]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought he were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

And no more than $400,00 Madge, otherwise I'll give you a smack!!! :joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

It will also upset our existing players who aren't on that money. Imagine Daine Laurie who has had a great season and perhaps is not on anything near that. If you want to cause dissension in the shed this is the way do go about it.

Daine Laurie's career doesn't hold a candle to DWZ. If he's upset about the former captain of NZ earning more than him he needs a clip around the ears. What, the club chasing him hard, giving him a 4 year deal and trading players to get him early isn't flattering enough?

Seriously, 10 good weeks in first grade makes you a promising player but far from a good one. One injury and he could be toast and people on here would turn on him faster than my dog chasing a ball.

I'd hate to be the manager of some you blokes. Seems like you'd want a pay rise after a quarter of good results.

Former is the operative word.

 

[TigerWest]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought we were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

I think we have made far worse signings than this, if it goes ahead?:joy:

 

[Blake]

By established I mean competently playing NRL in a reputable team. And by solid I actually mean in career best (or close to) form, and displaying attributes and skills that almost independently lift their team i.e. a potential/recognised superstar, or at least a universally recognised very high quality player.

Haha sorry I find this paragraph pretty funny. By solid you actually mean potential or recognised superstar, or at least UNIVERSALLY recognised as very high quality?

OK but I would propose to you that isn't remotely what the word "solid" implies.

So no Tigers don't make a habit of signing superstars, we never really have, and Nicho Hynes, if that is indeed your example, isn't a superstar or universally recognised. Bloke dead set has played about 5 excellent matches, 7 pretty good matches, 10 moderate off-bench matches in a medium-duration but limited on-field career.

I also don't agree with your interpretation of what established is - playing well in a good team? For how long? 1 match? 20 matches? Arguably under your definition, guys like Joe Stimson, Sandor Earl, Albert Vete, Cheyse Blair, Young Tonumaipea, Mo Blair, Ben Hampton etc. were established at Melbourne, because they played alright and the team overall was doing well. And where are they now?

Hence my recognition that it was a bad choice of words, I was being modest.

No need to make a habit of signing superstars, but it would be nice to sign a player of that calibre to continue building the team at this point in time – and we’ve undeniably missed quite a few opportunities in recent history, whether that be our fault or not, or whether that worked out better or worse for us – it isn’t my point, which was only to recognise that we do tend to miss out on what appear to be good opportunities, and in place (barring developing/junior players) sign players who were once highly regarded or considered stars but are a shadow of their former selves. There are too many to name and we all know who they are. But DWZ would be the latest addition to that list!

Nicho Hynes is a potential superstar – are there many who would disagree with that? I’m not sure anyone would disagree that he’d be a high quality signing either.
Established is hard to quantify, in this context I’m sure there would be many interpretations as to what EXACT definition this fits. How about performing well for their team recently, say year to date – half a season or so? This is only half of the criteria I mentioned however, and those players you mention, I can’t say whether they’d have qualified for the other half at the time (being a very good player in their own right). But I’m pretty sure Sandor Earl didn’t, for one.


I think hynes has talent, but I do believe he won’t be as good for the sharks. I would say the sharks Will regret paying the600k. He looks better than he is because of the players around him. I wouldn’t say he’s a game breaker but a solid player who hopefully will improve in a good team.

Currently the Storm and Roosters have an attacking structure and the fullback is an extra who free to roam around and plug into it a couple of times a set. If the fullback isn't calling for the ball they give it to a forward or one of the halves. Its a good plan if you have a dynamic, creative and extremely fit player at fullback.
Tigers use Brooks as a distributer with Mbye as playmaker on the right and Laurie as playmaker on the left. They do mix it up , but that is the default.
Both methods are based more on the players you have rather than one method being better.

 

[TrueTiger]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought he were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

And no more than $400,00 Madge, otherwise I'll give you a smack!!! :joy: :joy: :joy:

I think that a lot of players that were great a couple of years ago are being sold short because of the rule changes...some think that the youth of the game will instantly bring success....that is the definate wrong way to look at it atm...every team has hardened NRL players either forwards or backs,most learnt from an early age to get to where they are now,they must ADAPT to stay competative in this new environment of change...the youth LEARN with these new changes,a different scenario completely from the older brigade..
The differing systems also bare an effect on different players of differing positions..
DWZ was very good before going to the Dogs,is it because of his form no longer being at NRL level or is it the system he is in atm,he may not have been able to adapt,but was lethal at the Panthers in a different system altogether...if we do get him,I would prefer we give him a chance to see if his former playing style can recur ...
Its a bit like the Broncos bringing Albert Kelly into FG,every one laughed and said he was hopeless,he seems to have found another leg under Walters and was good in a losing side the last couple of weeks although he still needs some more improving,but is going well...He is just an example Im giving because over the 16 clubs there could be heaps of other examples to give...but I think most understand what Im saying...

 

[tony soprano]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought he were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

And no more than $400,00 Madge, otherwise I'll give you a smack!!! :joy: :joy: :joy:

Let dogs sink if that price true

 

[BZN]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

$400,000? You have to be joking. I wouldn't take him at all and that is a reflection on Maguire. I thought we had past dumb signings? It seems we aren't!

G'day P&C1 : With great respect :+1: as I am certainly not singling your post out, there have been many other posts with the same punch line.
It seems to me that if there is criticism to be made of a current or future player purchase it's Madge's fault.
But on the other hand if there is praise for an astute purchase it seems it's Hartigan's great decision.

I reckon it's about time we stopped this... 'it's Madge's fault'
and recognised the positive changes Madge has made and will continue to make in getting Us out of the abyss Cleary got Us into, before taking the cowards way out and leaving Us with a broken down bus with 4 flat tyres.
Do you know how heavy and difficult bus tyres are to repair? I do as I drove a bus for State Transit along Vict. Rd. for 15 years before I retired in 2004.
So with that knowledge I reckon Madge and the Team have only replaced 1 tyre so far, and the quality of the ride will only get better.
It wont happen o'nite, but Madge and the team including Pascoe, will turn Wests Tigers into a luxury coach... with 6 wheels...
and that's better than Cleary's crappy 4 wheel bus.

Isn't Maguire the head coach? Ultimately he takes responsibilty for NRL acquisitions? Do you believe an NRL player would be signed without his agreement? Much is made of his link to DWZ via the NZ team. I believe it a bit beyond the realms of possibility that his hand is all not over this potential buy.

Cleary is just confirming for those that need it, that he is a very good coach. I don't doubt that if Maguire had the Panthers, he would fail to get the same results as Cleary.

I believe it is a ****TEAM**** effort now Paws in who is purchased.
If a player doesn't meet the requirements as designed by Hartigan [being the reason we grabbed him with both hands from the Roosters and therefore an **excellent** decision on the part of **MADGE** :+1: and Pascoe] we dont purchase them.
I agree :100: that Cleary is a very good coach.
But such a pity that he **ruthlessly****used** **Us** [after we dragged him out of a cesspit of jokers] as a stepping stone to get what he wanted, being a sign of a person with very low business morals imo + it seems like he has passed those morals on to his son, in that he lied during the Covid lock-down re entertaining all those young ladies at his place.
Would Madge have done as well as Cleary has with the Panthers...probably not.
Cleary is the right person for the Panthers.
Madge + Hartigan + Pascoe are the right **TEAM** for Wests Tigers.
With the great leap forward Our Club is making in many areas, Wests Tigers will be much more successful than Penrith can ever hope to be.
**BLOW KISSES** :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: to Cleary...You betcha We will!!! :left-facing_fist: :left-facing_fist: :left-facing_fist:

 

[ElleryHanley]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought we were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

I think we have made far worse signings than this, if it goes ahead?:joy:

I mean the Dogs...paying 880 was insane.

 

[TigerWest]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought we were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

I think we have made far worse signings than this, if it goes ahead?:joy:

I mean the Dogs...paying 880 was insane.

Yeah, crazy money, we did it too though, didn't we? I guess why they have brought in another level of management (Hartigan) to keep an eye on it.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

400k a year isn’t terrible for DWZ.

Not many would take a pay cut of 4-500k for a year

Given his age I would stay for a year earn 880k and get the 3-400k for the next 2-3yrs after as he will get that easily after next season anyway with expansion on the cards.

Also giving the Bulldogs 800k to play with next year or even half that would be massive boost for them.

Wont the dogs have to pay the balance of his contract after anything we give him?

Depends on what is agreed.
Huge amount of cash to work through can’t see him letting it go tbh.

 

[Russell]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

We don't need him - we've got bigger problems in the short term than winger. We've got a war chest building so let's not waste it on someone 2 clubs have been keen to shop around. Nobody can tell me that at least one of Ogden, Kei or Alexander won't become genuine NRL players next year so why are we even considering such a move? I'm sick to death of people on this forum saying you can't stick juniors in - like anybody/anything, some will make it and some won't. You have to take an informed punt somewhere. For every kid that was put in too early, there's another one that went in and made it even if it took a few games or an extra season.

Also, can everyone stop saying he's only 25 - he's 26 in a month or so and using the rhetoric in reverse, coming into his 27th year.

We need to put our business hat on - he's not worth it even at half the price.

Ok to stick this kid in or that kid in - one will make it etc.

What about winning the game Mate!

 

[TigerWest]

400k a year isn’t terrible for DWZ.

Not many would take a pay cut of 4-500k for a year

Given his age I would stay for a year earn 880k and get the 3-400k for the next 2-3yrs after as he will get that easily after next season anyway with expansion on the cards.

Also giving the Bulldogs 800k to play with next year or even half that would be massive boost for them.

Wont the dogs have to pay the balance of his contract after anything we give him?

Depends on what is agreed.
Huge amount of cash to work through can’t see him letting it go tbh.

Not 100% sure what you mean, but the guy will not lose his money (why should he) what ever happens, I agree though, he will probably stay put as I would think the dogs would be crazy to give us more than half his salary, so he can play with us?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

DWZ’S PAY PACKET WAY OUT OF TIGER’S LEAGUE
From Hooper

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.

If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.

If not, Canterbury-Bankstown will need to continue to stump up to make DWZ the highest-paid winger in the NRL.

$400,000? You have to be joking. I wouldn't take him at all and that is a reflection on Maguire. I thought we had past dumb signings? It seems we aren't!

G'day P&C1 : With great respect :+1: as I am certainly not singling your post out, there have been many other posts with the same punch line.
It seems to me that if there is criticism to be made of a current or future player purchase it's Madge's fault.
But on the other hand if there is praise for an astute purchase it seems it's Hartigan's great decision.

I reckon it's about time we stopped this... 'it's Madge's fault'
and recognised the positive changes Madge has made and will continue to make in getting Us out of the abyss Cleary got Us into, before taking the cowards way out and leaving Us with a broken down bus with 4 flat tyres.
Do you know how heavy and difficult bus tyres are to repair? I do as I drove a bus for State Transit along Vict. Rd. for 15 years before I retired in 2004.
So with that knowledge I reckon Madge and the Team have only replaced 1 tyre so far, and the quality of the ride will only get better.
It wont happen o'nite, but Madge and the team including Pascoe, will turn Wests Tigers into a luxury coach... with 6 wheels...
and that's better than Cleary's crappy 4 wheel bus.

Isn't Maguire the head coach? Ultimately he takes responsibilty for NRL acquisitions? Do you believe an NRL player would be signed without his agreement? Much is made of his link to DWZ via the NZ team. I believe it a bit beyond the realms of possibility that his hand is all not over this potential buy.

Cleary is just confirming for those that need it, that he is a very good coach. I don't doubt that if Maguire had the Panthers, he would fail to get the same results as Cleary.

I believe it is a ****TEAM**** effort now Paws in who is purchased.
If a player doesn't meet the requirements as designed by Hartigan [being the reason we grabbed him with both hands from the Roosters and therefore an **excellent** decision on the part of **MADGE** :+1: and Pascoe] we dont purchase them.
I agree :100: that Cleary is a very good coach.
But such a pity that he **ruthlessly****used** **Us** [after we dragged him out of a cesspit of jokers] as a stepping stone to get what he wanted, being a sign of a person with very low business morals imo + it seems like he has passed those morals on to his son, in that he lied during the Covid lock-down re entertaining all those young ladies at his place.
Would Madge have done as well as Cleary has with the Panthers...probably not.
Cleary is the right person for the Panthers.
Madge + Hartigan + Pascoe are the right **TEAM** for Wests Tigers.
With the great leap forward Our Club is making in many areas, Wests Tigers will be much more successful than Penrith can ever hope to be.
**BLOW KISSES** :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: to Cleary...You betcha We will!!! :left-facing_fist: :left-facing_fist: :left-facing_fist:

Magpies, I like your loyalty but please read Thaiger's post earlier in this thread. There really nothing more to add on this subject.

As for Hartigan, he is a great asset to our club.

 

[tbones10]

The 2018 DWZ was the one we wanted, he was probably worth 500K, the 2021 DWZ has a ceiling of 300K, 800k ? for a winger! sounds like an Ivan Cleary signing to me.
Regardless it looks like we are in the market for a 25 year old test player, with suspect defence and if he signs with us, it will be the 2nd club in three years to move him on for not being value you for money.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

400k a year isn’t terrible for DWZ.

Not many would take a pay cut of 4-500k for a year

Given his age I would stay for a year earn 880k and get the 3-400k for the next 2-3yrs after as he will get that easily after next season anyway with expansion on the cards.

Also giving the Bulldogs 800k to play with next year or even half that would be massive boost for them.

Wont the dogs have to pay the balance of his contract after anything we give him?

Depends on what is agreed.
Huge amount of cash to work through can’t see him letting it go tbh.

Not 100% sure what you mean, but the guy will not lose his money (why should he) what ever happens, I agree though, he will probably stay put as I would think the dogs would be crazy to give us more than half his salary, so he can play with us?

Again depends.
They may offer him a 3yr deal avg 400k starting next year - that would be a loss. He is worth 400k however unless Bulldogs tip in 4-500k he misses out.
If I was him would take the 800k next year and seek a contract the year after. With new teams coming etc he could probably demand 400-500k as clubs then will be desperate.

 

[JD Tiger]

OUT OF TIGERS’ LEAGUE

The Wests Tigers have confirmed an interest in Bulldogs back Dallin Watene-Zelezniak but the stumbling block is the $880,000 he’s on next year.

As good a player as DWZ is, Canterbury-Bankstown’s previous decision-makers have been completely done over on that deal.


If the Tigers can strike a price where they’re tipping in around the $400,000 mark, there’s a good chance the Kiwi Test captain will unite with the Kiwi Test coach in Michael Maguire.



880...wow, I thought we were dumb at times.

That has to be the **worst. deal. ever.**

I think we have made far worse signings than this, if it goes ahead?:joy:

I mean the Dogs...paying 880 was insane.

As bad as MBye, (Im guessing he is/was near that)

 

[claws1]

Why do most people forget the past? DWZ was playing the best football of his career when he signed with the Bulldogs - as a fullback. That was fair money for a fullback at that time. DWZ attributed his form to contributions by Madge as NZ coach, as he would push him more than any other coach. DWZ and many other players know their large salaries are coming to an end, as the money dries up. I am convinced we will be offering him above average winger money, not top and not insulting money, but fair value. Go Weststigers!

 

[crazycat]

I am kind of worried how Laurie seems to be shopped around. Honestly he has been the best thing to hit our side this year. I would be up for offering him a 5 year contract next year like Gold Coast offered AJ Brimstone.


I doubt if Laurie is being shopped around,where did you hear that from?DWZ is a definate NO from me

This forum.
A little talk involving Nicho Hynes, etc.
Sadly thats the way roumers start.

 

[crazycat]

The 2018 DWZ was the one we wanted, he was probably worth 500K, the 2021 DWZ has a ceiling of 300K, 800k ? for a winger! sounds like an Ivan Cleary signing to me.
Regardless it looks like we are in the market for a 25 year old test player, with suspect defence and if he signs with us, it will be the 2nd club in three years to move him on for not being value you for money.

I am up for Paying 800k for a winger.
Israel Folau pre political sillyness would be worth that easy.
Pat Richards, Taniela Tukali, Korobete, Brett Morris are in the 600-800 category. I reckon Josh Addo Carr is a 600k+ winger. I am still amazed that we took Mbye for 750 when we could have gotten Both Morris's for the same price.

When you get a winger that can regularly break defenses they are worth the money. 100% if you have a player that can score vs 2 defenders they are GOLD.

DWZ is Nowhere near this category.

The problem is the team then relies on that player to do their scoring. Its why our team was stifled for so long because we had such good wingers. The team just passes to the winger instead of getting the structure and play right.

Miro, Blake Fergusson, Corey Oates, etc would be great except i feel were still not right yet.

^none of this inclines me to us signing DWZ. 200k range, no but I will think about it.

 

[Thaiger]

Not sure why people think 400k is soo much money.

The cap is $10m - Thats an average of 333k across all 30 players. But given your 5 base paid kids are prob 150k ave max then its 370k ave for the top 25 players. That means anyone even a winger who is in your top 13 are on at least 400k.

We don't need him - we've got bigger problems in the short term than winger. We've got a war chest building so let's not waste it on someone 2 clubs have been keen to shop around. Nobody can tell me that at least one of Ogden, Kei or Alexander won't become genuine NRL players next year so why are we even considering such a move? I'm sick to death of people on this forum saying you can't stick juniors in - like anybody/anything, some will make it and some won't. You have to take an informed punt somewhere. For every kid that was put in too early, there's another one that went in and made it even if it took a few games or an extra season.

Also, can everyone stop saying he's only 25 - he's 26 in a month or so and using the rhetoric in reverse, coming into his 27th year.

We need to put our business hat on - he's not worth it even at half the price.

Ok to stick this kid in or that kid in - one will make it etc.

What about winning the game Mate!

Stupid comment - they are good enough. How would you know? Have you actually followed them?

Open your bloody eyes.