Triple M rumour

[southerntiger]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut.

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach will produce better long term success.

Sheens won 3 comps. With us he had the Top 4 3 times and a 1 comp.

Do you realise how weird it sounds comparing JT favourably to Tim Sheens.

Not at all. I was probably Sheens biggest fan and still am. Whereas my recollection is that you wanted him gone since 2007.

I rate Sheens as one of the best tactical coaches I have seen. But he was never a development coach like Bennett and Bellamy.

I would still have Sheens back any day before most other choices.

However, that doesn't mean I can't recognise his weaknesses.

 

[southerntiger]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut.

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach will produce better long term success.

I get your point on Broses - but the Benji comparison is a poor one.
He won a comp in his first full season, and spent the next few years getting injured for the most part. It's no surprise that his form turned in 2009 when he played close to a full season, and then in 10/11 when he was fully fit and close to the best player in the world.
Of course there was a maturing process involved as well, but the guy was a freak talent from the off and his ascent not overly similar to what we've seen from Brooks or Moses.

I acknowledge that but the truth is that Sheens didnt really make a concerted effort to turn Marshall into an organising half until 2008.

Marshall was an absolute freak, no doubt, but many fans had a love hate relationship with him until the back end of '09 when he started to dominate and organise the team.

Sure injuries contributed to his slow maturation but I also believe Sheens could have done more to reign him in earlier. I certainly wasn't saying that at the time. I used to be a massive fan of letting players play their natural game. However, Ive realised thats just another way of saying you can be bothered improving a player.

 

[southerntiger]

Sheens got the best out of Marshall.

He was a free wheeler. Always was.

It won us acomp at the end of the day.

Sure but without Prince and Hodgson providing the structure we wouldnt have come close to making the eight.

 

[VonMiller58]

Addo-Carr wasn't given a proper go, well not until half way through the year and by then it was already to late.
JT persisted with Rankin when everyone could see he needed to be dropped.

Cherrington maybe, JAC i would disagree with. round 8 or 9 against the Storm was reasonable time for a rookie to get a shot. He's looked like an exciting player when given a shot, but has a howler of an error in him, plus has no idea how to position his body when rucking the ball out of his own end. Plus he's not going to be here in 2017\. The club did mess up by not re-signing him, but he still has a bit of work to do before becoming a regular first grader.

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

 

[foreveratiger]

Addo-Carr wasn't given a proper go, well not until half way through the year and by then it was already to late.
JT persisted with Rankin when everyone could see he needed to be dropped.

Cherrington maybe, JAC i would disagree with. round 8 or 9 against the Storm was reasonable time for a rookie to get a shot. He's looked like an exciting player when given a shot, but has a howler of an error in him, plus has no idea how to position his body when rucking the ball out of his own end. Plus he's not going to be here in 2017\. The club did mess up by not re-signing him, but he still has a bit of work to do before becoming a regular first grader.

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

Early in the Season? What are you on about? Do you seriously think when you post? Addo-Carr signed with the Storm and was Official by Round 14.

Do you ever have anything constructive to add? All you keep banging on is your " fair amount of haters line " , what has hate got anything to do with it? GNR asked to name any players that didn't get a proper go? It's called discussing someone's opinion.
Your the hater, go away.

 

[Geo]

I'm just happy Sheensy got a mention….

 

[westTAHger]

I'm just happy Sheensy got a mention….

what about Fitzy ????

 

[supercoach]

Iam sure the Farah things is about a lot of things and lets face it there were problems as far back as the end of the Sheens years. So to put this all down to Taylor and Farah having a personality conflict is way off the mark to me. I think its partly as Taylor has been quoted in saying, they want to get early ball and quick ball to the 6 and 7, I also think its partly salary cap,probably some personality differences and maybe taylor stamping his authority.

I have not heard of any mass revolts among the troops, or any delegations approaching the board demanding Farah be reinstated, so you would think by that the playing group either agree with Taylor or are willing to go along with Taylor.

Anyway the end to Farahgate is fast approaching and that has to be a good thing for all parties

 

[ricksen]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut.

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach will produce better long term success.

I get your point on Broses - but the Benji comparison is a poor one.
He won a comp in his first full season, and spent the next few years getting injured for the most part. It's no surprise that his form turned in 2009 when he played close to a full season, and then in 10/11 when he was fully fit and close to the best player in the world.
Of course there was a maturing process involved as well, but the guy was a freak talent from the off and his ascent not overly similar to what we've seen from Brooks or Moses.

I acknowledge that but the truth is that Sheens didnt really make a concerted effort to turn Marshall into an organising half until 2008.

Marshall was an absolute freak, no doubt, but many fans had a love hate relationship with him until the back end of '09 when he started to dominate and organise the team.

Sure injuries contributed to his slow maturation but I also believe Sheens could have done more to reign him in earlier. I certainly wasn't saying that at the time. I used to be a massive fan of letting players play their natural game. However, Ive realised thats just another way of saying you can be bothered improving a player.

Fair points, I agree. Sheens defo had his strengths, but I don't think he kept up with the way the game was changing (more wrestle etc), which really held us back at the end of his reign.
Anyway, we're well off topic.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Addo-Carr wasn't given a proper go, well not until half way through the year and by then it was already to late.
JT persisted with Rankin when everyone could see he needed to be dropped.

Cherrington maybe, JAC i would disagree with. round 8 or 9 against the Storm was reasonable time for a rookie to get a shot. He's looked like an exciting player when given a shot, but has a howler of an error in him, plus has no idea how to position his body when rucking the ball out of his own end. Plus he's not going to be here in 2017\. The club did mess up by not re-signing him, but he still has a bit of work to do before becoming a regular first grader.

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

A ridiculously stupid comment. You play the best team you have, regardless of whether or not they have signed elsewhere. We are competing to make the 8 and we are paying JAC's salary. He should be playing. It's that simple.

If Moses and Brooks had of signed elsewhere and not taken up their options for 2017 would you want them both in reserve grade? Of course you wouldn't.

 

[ricksen]

We're playing Halatau despite him not being here next year.

 

[Harvey]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut.

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach will produce better long term success.

Sheens won 3 comps. With us he had the Top 4 3 times and a 1 comp.

Do you realise how weird it sounds comparing JT favourably to Tim Sheens.

Only one of them managed survive Robbie undermining them

 

[Telltails]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut. L

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach willproduce better long term success.

Sheens won 3 comps. With us he had the Top 4 3 times and a 1 comp.

Do you realise how weird it sounds comparing JT favourably to Tim Sheens.

Only one of them managed survive Robbie undermining them

Managed to survive?? I think you have got it all wrong about who is undermining who.

 

[stevetiger]

A good point of comparison is the development of Marshall.

The freak did the amazing things in '05 but he was still rocks and diamonds for many years. He wasn't until '09 that Marshall learned to control the team and manage a game. 6 years after his debut.

In comparison, Brooks and Moses have made the same journey in 18 months (for Moses) and 24 months (for Brooks). Why? Of course different players but a major reason is that Taylor forced them to develop that side of their game. Sheens, by contrast, never sought to curb Benji's instincts.

Which approach is better? Sheens probably for the excitement but I suspect Taylor's approach will produce better long term success.

Sheens won 3 comps. With us he had the Top 4 3 times and a 1 comp.

Do you realise how weird it sounds comparing JT favourably to Tim Sheens.

Only one of them managed survive Robbie undermining them

How do you know that Robbie undermined them ? What did Robbie do specifically ?

 

[magpiecol]

Addo-Carr wasn't given a proper go, well not until half way through the year and by then it was already to late.
JT persisted with Rankin when everyone could see he needed to be dropped.

Cherrington maybe, JAC i would disagree with. round 8 or 9 against the Storm was reasonable time for a rookie to get a shot. He's looked like an exciting player when given a shot, but has a howler of an error in him, plus has no idea how to position his body when rucking the ball out of his own end. Plus he's not going to be here in 2017\. The club did mess up by not re-signing him, but he still has a bit of work to do before becoming a regular first grader.

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

A ridiculously stupid comment. You play the best team you have, regardless of whether or not they have signed elsewhere. We are competing to make the 8 and we are paying JAC's salary. He should be playing. It's that simple.

If Moses and Brooks had of signed elsewhere and not taken up their options for 2017 would you want them both in reserve grade? Of course you wouldn't.

Do you actually read other posts before banging on about things that you should know about but do not.

A little thing call the second tier salary cap. Ever heard of it???

:brick:

 

[avocadoontoast]

Cherrington maybe, JAC i would disagree with. round 8 or 9 against the Storm was reasonable time for a rookie to get a shot. He's looked like an exciting player when given a shot, but has a howler of an error in him, plus has no idea how to position his body when rucking the ball out of his own end. Plus he's not going to be here in 2017\. The club did mess up by not re-signing him, but he still has a bit of work to do before becoming a regular first grader.

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

A ridiculously stupid comment. You play the best team you have, regardless of whether or not they have signed elsewhere. We are competing to make the 8 and we are paying JAC's salary. He should be playing. It's that simple.

If Moses and Brooks had of signed elsewhere and not taken up their options for 2017 would you want them both in reserve grade? Of course you wouldn't.

Do you actually read other posts before banging on about things that you should know about but do not.

A little thing call the second tier salary cap. Ever heard of it???

:brick:

No I don't. I just post blindly and hope for the best.

 

[newtiger]

What I love here lately is every topic ends up being a Farah v's Taylor topic.
Even if someone started s new topic " Pascoe buys a new pair of shoes" it would end up a Farah v' s Taylor topic.
I think that in 10 years time there will still be a Farah v's Taylor topic.
I can't wait until he is gone from the club a here.
Then there might be some stability in the club.

 

[magpiecol]

Plus he signed with the opposition early in the season.It is what the best clubs do.You choose early to play elsewhere well then enjoy a long stint in reserve grade.It is called pride in your club.I still don't understand it.The club hasn't been in such a strong position in such a long time but there seems to be a fair amount of haters on here.

A ridiculously stupid comment. You play the best team you have, regardless of whether or not they have signed elsewhere. We are competing to make the 8 and we are paying JAC's salary. He should be playing. It's that simple.

If Moses and Brooks had of signed elsewhere and not taken up their options for 2017 would you want them both in reserve grade? Of course you wouldn't.

Do you actually read other posts before banging on about things that you should know about but do not.

A little thing call the second tier salary cap. Ever heard of it???

:brick:

No I don't. I just post blindly and hope for the best.

Then wise up.

 

[steve-o]

Mortimer would be a disappointing signing to say the least

 

[barra]

Sheens got the best out of Marshall.

He was a free wheeler. Always was.

It won us acomp at the end of the day.

Disagree mate. I reckon Sheens cruelled Marshall's career by turning him into a #7 who ran sideways and passed the ball and kicked - neither with any consistency or good structure, which are usually the hallmarks of great halves.

IMO he should have been wider of the ruck in a bit more space, using his speed and agility while he still had it, he'd have still racked up plenty of assists.