Two myths the club seems happy to perpetuate...

[mccarry2]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

No, they wouldn't.

 

[2005magic]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Nah. He’s about the only coach alive who could turn us into something.

 

[mike]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Bellamy wouldn’t have these players.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Nah. He’s about the only coach alive who could turn us into something.

Ask yourself this. How would that Melbourne team look at Wests.

 

[hank37w]

Would probably look like wooden spooners.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Would probably look like wooden spooners.

That's the inference.

 

[Wildcat777]

We dont have the cattle….

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We dont have the cattle….

Should be the club motto.

 

[earl]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Nah. He’s about the only coach alive who could turn us into something.

Ask yourself this. How would that Melbourne team look at Wests.

They would be awesome.

 

[hobbo1]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

No, they wouldn't.

Yeah they would ..
This group would break Bellamy.

 

[GCfan]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

I’m not so sure it’s coaching fault. Most of our errors are basic and unforced. Dropping the ball or not playing it correctly or throwing a forward pass is not coached at NRL level

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

No, they wouldn't.

Yeah they would ..
This group would break Bellamy.

They wouldn't be here if Bellamy was.

 

[gregjm87]

Point one is fair, but, who is this mythical better coach that we could sign. So often i hear supposed experts on podcasts/radio/tv saying the Tigers need a Bellamey/Bennett/Robinson type. They aren't available or aren't willing, nor would many well credentialed rookie coaches be willing to stake their whole future career on turning the club around.

As for point 2, well, some rebuilds do take time. For instance it takes time to get cap space to sign players when you are waiting for players on large contracts to leave. It takes longer still when you cant attract elite talent to take their place (be that due to the club, coach or current roster). Literally the only option remaining is to try to sign elite juniors and wait patiently for them to develop into elite players. Panthers took 5 years, Knights about the same and still not quite there.
If you know another way please enlighten us.

**Panthers and Knight both made semis whilst 'rebuilding**'...yes, they take time but they don't require a team to go a decade without making it. Not even close.

The mythical coach? There are a lot of good, young coaches. We could have been proactive six weeks ago and tried for a Ciraldo with guys like Morris and Kimorley as assistants.

Again, if you want a 4th year of Madge that is fine... but "hey, there is no one better" is not really going to get us far.

Knights did not make finals whilst rebuilding. They went 6 years straight without finals prior to last year. They signed some ordinary players and nurtured some good juniors before finally adding Ponga. Then they were able to sign a couple more decent players once players could see the club was progressing.
The Panthers did make the finals one year in their 5 year re-build. A bit of a false dawn as their juniors largely overachieved. But again they basically rebuilt their side through elite juniors complemented with a few good signings, again, only once the club showed improvement.
Could go further back and look at the Souths rebuild, a few good juniors, club shows improvement, then actual good signings. It is a familiar path for any club willing to put in the time.
But no, rebuilds don't require 10 years without finals. That has been from the club (in most instances) not willing to put the time into the rebuild. No rebuild is done in 2 years. Potter only got 2 years, Taylor, 2 and half, Cleary bailed after 2. (not that i think all these blokes were actually attempting a rebuild). Changing coaches and strategies every 2 years almost ensures continued finals absence.

That is why i want to stick with Madge. Give him time to actually finish his rebuild. When we either have a competent roster but no results or an improving roster but still cant recruit (i estimate 2 more years) then i will jump on the sack Madge bandwagon. Until then i dont see any other coach getting better (long term) results. Sure they could sign a few half decent seasoned first graders, maybe make the 8, but then they would miss out on the likes of Stefano and Laurie who could actually deliver sustained success.

As for Ciraldo, he wouldnt be interested. I refer back to my previous statement "...nor would many well credentialed rookie coaches be willing to stake their whole future career on turning the club around." This is why the like of Fitzgibbon continually turned down offers waiting for an offer from a club that isn't in such a bad position.

 

[hobbo1]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

No, they wouldn't.

Yeah they would ..
This group would break Bellamy.

They wouldn't be here if Bellamy was.

If Bellamy started next year they’d break him lol

 

[mccarry2]

It’s the mindset and confidence of the players that is off. The team barely celebrate when we score. Go watch the reply. Then watch the sharks score and the LOVE IT

We are an unhappy team. The players don’t believe in themselves.

That’s the environment. Some of that is our club… but it’s mainly the coach who will change it.

This won’t change next year… I’m so sorry but I think we should change coach.

 

[OzLuke]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

well said

 

[OzLuke]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Bellamy wouldn’t have these players.

certainly wouldn't have walters

 

[izotope]

Point one is fair, but, who is this mythical better coach that we could sign. So often i hear supposed experts on podcasts/radio/tv saying the Tigers need a Bellamey/Bennett/Robinson type. They aren't available or aren't willing, nor would many well credentialed rookie coaches be willing to stake their whole future career on turning the club around.

As for point 2, well, some rebuilds do take time. For instance it takes time to get cap space to sign players when you are waiting for players on large contracts to leave. It takes longer still when you cant attract elite talent to take their place (be that due to the club, coach or current roster). Literally the only option remaining is to try to sign elite juniors and wait patiently for them to develop into elite players. Panthers took 5 years, Knights about the same and still not quite there.
If you know another way please enlighten us.

**Panthers and Knight both made semis whilst 'rebuilding**'...yes, they take time but they don't require a team to go a decade without making it. Not even close.

The mythical coach? There are a lot of good, young coaches. We could have been proactive six weeks ago and tried for a Ciraldo with guys like Morris and Kimorley as assistants.

Again, if you want a 4th year of Madge that is fine... but "hey, there is no one better" is not really going to get us far.

Knights did not make finals whilst rebuilding. They went 6 years straight without finals prior to last year. They signed some ordinary players and nurtured some good juniors before finally adding Ponga. Then they were able to sign a couple more decent players once players could see the club was progressing.
The Panthers did make the finals one year in their 5 year re-build. A bit of a false dawn as their juniors largely overachieved. But again they basically rebuilt their side through elite juniors complemented with a few good signings, again, only once the club showed improvement.
Could go further back and look at the Souths rebuild, a few good juniors, club shows improvement, then actual good signings. It is a familiar path for any club willing to put in the time.
But no, rebuilds don't require 10 years without finals. That has been from the club (in most instances) not willing to put the time into the rebuild. No rebuild is done in 2 years. Potter only got 2 years, Taylor, 2 and half, Cleary bailed after 2. (not that i think all these blokes were actually attempting a rebuild). Changing coaches and strategies every 2 years almost ensures continued finals absence.

That is why i want to stick with Madge. Give him time to actually finish his rebuild. When we either have a competent roster but no results or an improving roster but still cant recruit (i estimate 2 more years) then i will jump on the sack Madge bandwagon. Until then i dont see any other coach getting better (long term) results. Sure they could sign a few half decent seasoned first graders, maybe make the 8, but then they would miss out on the likes of Stefano and Laurie who could actually deliver sustained success.

As for Ciraldo, he wouldnt be interested. I refer back to my previous statement "...nor would many well credentialed rookie coaches be willing to stake their whole future career on turning the club around." This is why the like of Fitzgibbon continually turned down offers waiting for an offer from a club that isn't in such a bad position.

I like this we haven't been on one 10 year rebuild. Every 2 years we change direction.