We need a new coach and we need to lock it in now

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I am a pragmatic person. Taylor did ok last year and he might get them to the 8 this year. However given the circumstances surrounding the re-signing of several key players as well as having an unprecedented clean salary cap next year it is imperative that we put a respected figurehead in place as soon as possible.

Woods has stated that he won't sign until he knows who is coaching next year. He gave no inclination that he wants JT to stay or to go however if you sign an Ivan Cleary or Des Hasler now that becomes irrelevant. He isn't going to become less likely to play here under a more respected coach. He won't walk in honour of Taylor.

It has been said that Woods holds the keys to whether the rest will sign and if that is true then we need to put a head coach in place immediately. It would be easy to just extend Taylor now, but for the long term health of the club I cannot see that being a wise move.

Good coaches carry clout when it comes to recruitment. Players take unders to play for good coaches. The media treat them differently and so too do the fans. Taylor has always been a bit of a scrappy underdog type coach (to put it nicely) and that too is the perception of the Wests Tigers. If we ever want to move past that tag we need a head coach that is taken seriously by players, media and fans.

With Taylor as head coach, even with a good salary cap, we will sign players like McQueen and pay overs. Who would we attract if we had Cleary or Des? Would we pay overs? I doubt it.

I do not doubt that Taylor is a good, perhaps even great, football mind. He did good things as assistant at the Roosters, but he isn't a leader of the quality of most of the other head coaches in the NRL and right now is the perfect opportunity for the Wests Tigers to finally shed their underdog status. Their weak status. Bring in a respected coach, pay them what they are worth and give them a clean salary cap, a NSW captain on field leader, the best fullback in the world and watch this club solidify straight away.

That all being said, I want Des Hasler personally. I think his approach would do wonders to our club in every level. He commands respect from his players and we need that. I would also be very keen to sign Cooper Cronk to our coaching staff as soon as he is retired. He wants to move to Sydney for his wife and he is the smartest footballer going around.

Who do you think should be coaching WT next year?
 
Its not that hard for the club. Pascoe has to interview Woods, Moses, Tedesco, Brooks.. And find out if they want Taylor as the long-term coach or not. Simple.

To be honest, I believe that if they liked Taylor, they would have re-signed by now
 
It all comes down to who is available. I feel A lot of people on here think Hasler/Toovey/Cleary are all standing by the phone praying for that phone call from Pascoe. What's it to say any of them are interested?

Until it is clear who may be interested and how Taylor goes for the next 8 weeks, we need to continue as is. I wouldn't be offering Taylor anything yet.

As for Woods, I would call his bluff and if he signs with someone else then let him. Personally speaking, he is a great player and would definately be a loss but he is no Matt Scott.
 
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I am a pragmatic person. Taylor did ok last year and he might get them to the 8 this year. However given the circumstances surrounding the re-signing of several key players as well as having an unprecedented clean salary cap next year it is imperative that we put a respected figurehead in place as soon as possible.

Woods has stated that he won't sign until he knows who is coaching next year. He gave no inclination that he wants JT to stay or to go however if you sign an Ivan Cleary or Des Hasler now that becomes irrelevant. He isn't going to become less likely to play here under a more respected coach. He won't walk in honour of Taylor.

It has been said that Woods holds the keys to whether the rest will sign and if that is true then we need to put a head coach in place immediately. It would be easy to just extend Taylor now, but for the long term health of the club I cannot see that being a wise move.
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You're assuming quite a bit re:Woods

Good coaches carry clout when it comes to recruitment. Players take unders to play for good coaches. The media treat them differently and so too do the fans. Taylor has always been a bit of a scrappy underdog type coach (to put it nicely) and that too is the perception of the Wests Tigers. If we ever want to move past that tag we need a head coach that is taken seriously by players, media and fans.
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With Taylor as head coach, even with a good salary cap, we will sign players like McQueen and pay overs. Who would we attract if we had Cleary or Des? Would we pay overs? I doubt it.

Things wouldn't change magically overnight…. It would take a couple of seasons of consistent performance for the general perception of uss to be chsnged
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I do not doubt that Taylor is a good, perhaps even great, football mind. He did good things as assistant at the Roosters, but he isn't a leader of the quality of most of the other head coaches in the NRL and right now is the perfect opportunity for the Wests Tigers to finally shed their underdog status. Their weak status. Bring in a respected coach, pay them what they are worth and give them a clean salary cap, a NSW captain on field leader, the best fullback in the world and watch this club solidify straight away.
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That all being said, I want Des Hasler personally. I think his approach would do wonders to our club in every level. He commands respect from his players and we need that. I would also be very keen to sign Cooper Cronk to our coaching staff as soon as he is retired. He wants to move to Sydney for his wife and he is the smartest footballer going around.
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Who do you think should be coaching WT next year?

Not sure on Hasler.
Did you watch the bulldogs last night?
Very one dimensional... Very bland
 
It wont be Hasler, he will be at the dogs for a few more years, to be announced shortly.

Good coaches stay where they have virtually unlimited money to do what they want. Bennett and Hasler are perfect examples of coaches that have access to 'hidden' cash.

Ivan Cleary? A real possibility, but I'm not sure he has an 'awesome' coaching record. And why did he suddenly and mysteriously get the boot at Penrith. Surely there is more to that.

I have no doubt the club is very, very aware of what those players want in a coach. If you think they are just sitting there with no idea what to do, you are kidding yourselves. They would be working through backroom deals and negotiating with multiple people to find the best fit.

Just sit back and relax. I think Taylor has done a good job when you consider everything he hasnt got, what he isnt getting paid and having to dodge all the backroom brawling and infighting early in his tenure. Do I think he is the coach to take us up a gear or two? NO, but I do think he is the right coach to have been in place to clean up, take the rap, be the bad man, or whatever you want to call it at the moment.

And finally, here's hoping this is the actual COACH thread where all comments, good and bad are put in here because frankly, there are a number of suspects that turn every thread, most completely unrelated into a bash the coach thread and it makes it less enjoyable to read the stuff that the thread was originally about.
 
Smartest thing we could do is sign Cronk as an assistant next year. Great football brain. Moving to Sydney next year, according to the Daily Tele.
 
While it s only very early days this year…. He needs to fix the defense

10 tries already this year is crap
 
Jason Taylor of course - he has done all the hard yards, made all the hard decisions and gotten rid of the dead wood. He deserves a couple of years starting with a team he wants, rather than what he has to have.
He has proven he is a good coach at Souffs and Parramatta, when he had some good players. He also proved he is a good tactician at the Roosters - they do not keep people who are not performing.

Now that he is coming into some dough with the salary cap increase and salary cap debt reduced, so he can start where every other coach starts - people want to get rid of him. Why won't he attract good players? It is speculation and guess work that says he won't. You could use the same criteria that says he can.

I think Woods is terrific, Moses can be anything, Brooks can be a good half and Tedesco is the best FB in the world. However I don't subscribe to the view that good players (in fact any of our players) can or should dictate who will be the coach. In my opinion if they don't want to play under the coach the club wants then they can go and sign somewhere else.

I suspect Moses (the manager) will pull some stunt like, "if you want the four or three it doesn't matter, you have to take them all or we will walk". OR "We want x amount for Brooks as well or we walk". Don't think so champ. I am pretty sure no other club will want the four of them, that leaves us.

I would be very unhappy if we lose any of the players we want to keep - but this club has to stand up and not let employees dictate terms. It should be - this is the coach for the next few years, this is the money on offer, take it or leave it.
 
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Its not that hard for the club. Pascoe has to interview Woods, Moses, Tedesco, Brooks.. And find out if they want Taylor as the long-term coach or not. Simple.

**To be honest, I believe that if they liked Taylor, they would have re-signed by now**
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Why? He doesn't even have a contract himself.
 
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I suspect Moses (the manager) will pull some stunt like, "if you want the four or three it doesn't matter, you have to take them all or we will walk". OR "We want x amount for Brooks as well or we walk". Don't think so champ. I am pretty sure no other club will want the four of them, that leaves us.
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Yep, the club has to play their bluff if they play this card. They all talk about wanting to play together and the only club they will be able to do that is ours. No club will afford all four.

So I'm guessing a hypothetical conversation could go something like this

Moses (manager) - Give Brooks 650k or the 4 walk

Club - Sorry, we aren't prepared to do that

Moses - Well they're leaving then

Club - Ok

*Moses goes back to the 4* - Well the club won't play Brooksy what we want

Moses (player) - That's it, we're leaving

Brooks - Ok I'm off to the Dogs

Tedesco - Ok mate I'll see you when the Dogs play the Roosters next year

They all want to play together. The players definitely do not hold all the cards.
 
How would have Taylor had gone if he was coaching the Manly side that Des & Toovs had? What is Cleary's win record over what is now an established coaching career?

I am not saying that we have to keep Taylor, but I do not think the supposed saviours are necessarily that great. Would also need to consider what they expect salary wise, and whether the club will pay that.

I do not want Payten anywhere near the club and would take David Furner over him.
 
If the club were certain that the players would all re-sign with Taylor as coach they probably would have re-signed him already. Silence from the players about endorsing him for next year is a bit deafening.There is a strong part of me wishing these blokes just play football and shouldn't have anything to to do with who the coach is. These are same player that have not made the finals under 2 or 3 coaches. I hope I am wrong - I wan the team and Taylor to do well this year. However Its an interesting dynamic at the minute.
 
It won't be Hasler, so it would either be Cleary (if he's interested and cheap enough) or chancing our arm with a rookie. If the players really insist on knowing on who is coach, I suspect he club will extend Taylor.
 
Why is Cleary deemed to be a more respected coach than a Taylor? Their coaching feats are just about on a par. I think people are always overrating Cleary purely because of his calm demeanour -his coaching record is really not all that great, imo.
 
Why the hell is Woods dancing round the subject.. Beating around the bush? Saying they need to know who will be coach without stating he wants JT to stay… Seems like it's all a joke to him and treats the fans with disrespect..

Say something

Or say nothing

Don't beat round the bush
 
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Why is Cleary deemed to be a more respected coach than a Taylor? Their coaching feats are just about on a par. I think people are always overrating Cleary purely because of his calm demeanour -his coaching record is really not all that great, imo.
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He can coach, no doubt about that. He's the only coach to ever take the Warriors consistently to the finals, even got them to a grand final. No coach since has been able to get that out of the Warriors. He then got the Panthers to a pre lim final with the club depleted with injuries. The issue I have is why it's assumed he's waiting for us to call.
 
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Why is Cleary deemed to be a more respected coach than a Taylor? Their coaching feats are just about on a par. I think people are always overrating Cleary purely because of his calm demeanour -his coaching record is really not all that great, imo.
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100% And while they may be around par compared with one another, it would be a step backward for the next 1 or 2 seasons while the team adjusts to the new coach and everything that comes as a result of that.
 
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