Wests Magpies may become extinct

[alien]

i for one would just like to move on and follow the Wests Tigers.

No one is stopping you.

 

[KingOvKingz09]

Now with that fossil Hammond out of the picture, i believe everything can move forward now. Stack the BRET team as a unified WT State Cup feeder, kick the Magpies out of the State Cup and send them off to Bundy Cup and they can be the feeder for BRET. This is the way it should always have been.

Just wondering why most of the biased stuff comes from the Balmain side of the JV.

Do a lot of the Balmain supporters really believe the Wests Tigers belong to them.

Maybe,the Wests side can give them their juniors and money and clubs and they can call the Wests Tigers Balmain again. :imp:

Lets not forget that Wests and Balmain own and control the WT so its not about moving on.We are the shareholders and we want it our way.

As a Western Suburbs Magpies supporter of the Wests Tigers I feel the Joint Venture is fair and equal but not properly expressed in the media and by some Balmain fans.

I'm sick of the media comming up with crap like black and gold when our colours also include white etc.

Magpie Mania…. alot of the BRET fans are happy with the JV.... and also support Wests in there games (like i do)...

... dont listen to CT, noone on here does... he's a lunatic & isnt a true support of the WESTS TIGERS... he needs to get over the balmain days the old fossil...

... and the media says BLACK & GOLD because they dont really include white as a colour... i dont see a problem with black & gold (black representing wests and gold representing balmain is the way i see it)...

i would be devestated if they chose to get rid of Balmain & Wests, but then again id be happy... it would be the start of a new era & alot of people will be forced to get over their differences and support our actual team WESTS TIGERS.

 

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i for one would just like to move on and follow the Wests Tigers.

No one is stopping you.

So the way you look at the situation, is it about what's best for the wests tigers or wests magpies?

because whenever any discussion comes back to wests v balmain you get all Magpie…, you've even just changed your avatar to make a point.., it's no different to the pro balmain crew on here.

 

[alien]

i for one would just like to move on and follow the Wests Tigers.

No one is stopping you.

So the way you look at the situation, is it about what's best for the wests tigers or wests magpies?

because whenever any discussion comes back to wests v balmain you get all Magpie…, you've even just changed your avatar to make a point.., it's no different to the pro balmain crew on here.

I reckon it's also best for Wests Tigers to have 2 feeder teams. More space to keep juniors that are too old for the 20's next year is one reason.

 

[KingOvKingz09]

i for one would just like to move on and follow the Wests Tigers.

No one is stopping you.

So the way you look at the situation, is it about what's best for the wests tigers or wests magpies?

because whenever any discussion comes back to wests v balmain you get all Magpie…, you've even just changed your avatar to make a point.., it's no different to the pro balmain crew on here.

LOL i agree icon….
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[alien]

… and the media says BLACK & GOLD because they dont really include white as a colour... i dont see a problem with black & gold (black representing wests and gold representing balmain is the way i see it)...

How can they not see white as a colour but they see black as a colour? Why don't you see a problem with it? Balmain also had black :laughing:

How would you like it if the media says black and white - white representing Wests and black representing Balmain.

 

[Geo]

So the way you look at the situation, is it about what's best for the wests tigers or wests magpies?

because whenever any discussion comes back to wests v balmain you get all Magpie…, you've even just changed your avatar to make a point.., it's no different to the pro balmain crew on here.

I reckon it's also best for Wests Tigers to have 2 feeder teams. More space to keep juniors that are too old for the 20's next year is one reason.

Oh dear….How many State Cup players have cracked FG this year....The emergence of the Under 20's is exactly why they want a Wests Tigers team....

My guess is it will be made up of graduated 20's players like Corby. Curran, Shirnack Jnr, those graduating like Clarke x2, Hyland etc plus any fringe 20's players as well as contracted Top 25 Wests Tigers players not currently in the 17.....

I love the Magpies and they will always have a place in my heart.....but it's what's best for the Wests Tigers and then maybe we can get some rationalisation of State Cup and bring it back as a true reserve grade....

You know it makes sense!!!!!!!

 

[Gobbs]

Like i stated on the Magpies Supporters forum, I think a united, merged, Joint Venture….call it what you will of the Balmain and Western Suburbs NSW Cup Teams is a step in the direction of a return to a much and dearly needed revamp of a 'Reserve Grade' Format, seeing possibly a back to the future structure of the old three grades that used to exist back in the day. U/23's or President's Cup, Reserve Grade & First Grade. Except now the NYC (U/20's) is the new President's Cup.

The impending 'Indepenent Comission' I believe will deliever more transperancy amongst Rugby League creating a more streamlined structure not only for the Administration but for the general format and levels of the game that is played. Basically, returning everything to the way it was prior to the Super League War. In my opinion, the game needs to get back such a structure to help foster development and bridge the gap between the youth that are being exposed way to early to the rigors of First Grade Football at the NRL Level.

The NSW Cup Standard of Football leaves a lot to be desired. Some of the talent is exciting, whilst some of it just doesn't cut the mustard. Having the best of the best playing in one side, and allowing U/20's kids to be exposed to a much more mature level of Rugby League _(playing against men and seasoned professionals)[/i} will ensure that they will be a lot more developed, prepared and ready to make the transition to First Grade, rather than the current system of seeing 19-20 year olds thrown in the deep end, fail to deliever, shatters confidence and eventually fizzle out left to rot in NSW Cup, Bundy Red or the local A Grade competition thinking "what could have been?"\
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The Headline of 'Wests set to become extinct' or as it read in the Daily Telegraph colum of 'Magpies go way of the Dodo' is a complete exaggeration of the highest order. A combined/united/joined Reserve Grade Team is not the end of the Magpies brand or image. Nor is it the death of the Western Suburbs Football Club. Far from it. The Football Club will continue to function and operate as it has done since 1908\. The only difference is that like at the end of the 1999 Season, it will cease to financially support a First Grade Team and now a Reserve Grade Team.\
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The Magpies brand awareness and image took a back seat the day the Joint Venture with Balmain was established. The marketing tool of the 'Tiger' was seen as far more enticing compared to a Black and White native Australian bird that was the image of the Western Suburbs Football Club. It was perceived that to ensure that the 'Wests Tigers' product was attractive it had to be threatening, ferocious and appealing to the young generation coming through that could identify with a strong, dominat animal that would defeat it's rivals.\
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As a Western Suburbs Magpies supporter and Football Club member, i don't see how a unified Reserve Grade team will see the end of Magpies brand or the Western Suburbs Football club become extinct. The Football Club still exists, as does the Junior League District as does the Junior Representative Teams (U/13's-U/14's Junior Magpies, Harold Matthews, SG Ball teams) that filter through the exciting and prosperous talent of the region that aspire to play First Grade Rugby League through the Western Suburbs Magpies NRL representative - Wests Tigers.\
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Whilst the 'Wests Tigers' retain the name 'Wests', having the colours of Black & White in their playing strips and have two Magpies of the sleeves of the Joint Venture club's jerseys, to me, the Magpies brand & image is far from dead, is far from buired, is far from extinct. The Magpies are very much alive and kicking in all levels of the game. It's all about acknowledging what we still have, not what we haven't got. Perhaps I'm just optimisitc and thankful of still having a Magpies presence in the highest level of the game._

 

[KingOvKingz09]

So the way you look at the situation, is it about what's best for the wests tigers or wests magpies?

because whenever any discussion comes back to wests v balmain you get all Magpie…, you've even just changed your avatar to make a point.., it's no different to the pro balmain crew on here.

I reckon it's also best for Wests Tigers to have 2 feeder teams. More space to keep juniors that are too old for the 20's next year is one reason.

Oh dear….How many State Cup players have cracked FG this year....The emergence of the Under 20's is exactly why they want a Wests Tigers team....

My guess is it will be made up of graduated 20's players like Corby. Curran, Shirnack Jnr, those graduating like Clarke x2, Hyland etc plus any fringe 20's players as well as contracted Top 25 Wests Tigers players not currently in the 17.....

I love the Magpies and they will always have a place in my heart.....but it's what's best for the Wests Tigers and then maybe we can get some rationalisation of State Cup and bring it back as a true reserve grade....

You know it makes sense!!!!!!!

YOU TELL EM DARTH GEO !!!! :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

 

[alien]

The marketing tool of the 'Tiger' was seen as far more enticing compared to a Black and White native Australian bird that was the image of the Western Suburbs Football Club. It was perceived that to ensure that the 'Wests Tigers' product was attractive it had to be threatening, ferocious and appealing to the young generation coming through that could identify with a strong, dominat animal that would defeat it's rivals.

Sorry but I think that is a load of tripe and I find that offensive.

 

[alien]

YOU TELL EM DARTH GEO !!!! :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

You have turned to the dark side KingOvKingz. I have failed you.

 

[KingOvKingz09]

YOU TELL EM DARTH GEO !!!! :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

You have turned to the dark side KingOvKingz. I have failed you.

to be honest that is a load of tripe and i find that offensive.

 

[alien]

Maybe the Collingwood Magpies and the Sydney Roosters should change their logo because their logo isn't that of a ferocious animal. Bahahahaha. The things I read on here is unbelievable and amusing. This forum gives me many laughs.

 

[Gobbs]

Alien, unfortunately sad, but true. And your kidding yourself if you think otherwise. In an era where the identity of a football club is based and marketed on it's animalistic nature than it's geographic location like in yesteryear, in order for the Joint Venture club to compete with the _'Panthers, Dragons, Sharks, Eagles, Warriors'_ etc, A Magpie just wasn't going to do it. Retention of old Western Suburbs supporters yes, but the risk would have been losing the next generational segment of fans that would of taken a liking to more dominant, attractive, dangerous, stronger images like the club's mentioned above.

Why do you think Parramatta were so keen to merge with Balmain? They didn't give two hoots about the history and tradition of the Football club, they just wanted the 'Tiger' identity for purely a marketing purpose. How scarey is an Eel? About as threating as a Seagull or a Bluebag. I'm as Black & White as they come, but the decision to go with the 'Tiger' identity was purely a marketing manevour. Simple

Easts as the Roosters, Souths as the Rabbitohs and Collingwood as the Magpies are successful brands because of their history. That's their marketing strength compared to a Joint Venture club and other clubs that aren't as fortunate enough to have been Founders of the Game with well over 100 years of history and tradition. They are all still independent sole, surviving Football club's. They aren't a by-product that has been newly created and established through a Joint-Venture. A new franchise has to start a fresh and ensure they can compete in a tough, competitive market place vying for the support and affection of consumers.

 

[Aubanon]

Alien pull your head in u goose.

Why do you think Parra wanted the merger with Balmain initially. Ask any marketing professional to compare the magpie to the tiger. The tiger is by far and away the more bankable motif. I recon u should just go to bed otherwise you'll be late to school.

 

[alien]

If we have to have 1 feeder club then call it the Wests Magpies and let Wests Ashfield fund it since they have the cash to do so. It's not their fault Balmain can't afford their own team.

 

[alien]

Alien pull your head in u goose.

Why do you think Parra wanted the merger with Balmain initially. Ask any marketing professional to compare the magpie to the tiger. The tiger is by far and away the more bankable motif. I recon u should just go to bed otherwise you'll be late to school.

I can tell by the way you are talking to me that you are a complete moron. If you don't like my opinion then that's your problem.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

If we have to have 1 feeder club then call it the Wests Magpies and let Wests Ashfield fund it since they have the cash to do so. It's not their fault Balmain can't afford their own team.

Best comment on this thred so far.

 

[Aubanon]

Alien,
Geez u worked that out all by yourself - wow I am impressed.

The brand is weststigers and that is what we should be promoting at every opportunity.

 

[simonthetiger]

Hilarious that the usual suspects have fallen for the "extinct' line by the daily tele.

Who as we know DOES have an agenda against us,typical rubbish by them to attempt to stop what is in all fairness the right thing to do for all.

One point…...wouldnt the term Balmain also be lost????

I notice that hasnt been mentioned ny the tele.