Wests Tigers Deep Dive of the Week

Is there interest in doing a weekly "Deep Dive" to promote focussed discussion between games?

  • Yes, I would be happy develop a topic or two to get the ball rolling

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Yes, I would be happy to participate but not lead a topic

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • I am not likely to contribute; however, I would be interested in learning from the discussion

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Would prefer to watch paint dry

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
He gets a good throw in the backyard most days. The Fonz never misses out.

Anyway back on topic.
@Jolls one thing I have been thinking about is who would be the current coaches in lower grades that would be good candidates? And how many do you need? Who’s the coaching Director? And does he have power to sack the head coach, etc.
when it comes to candidates there are a few blokes that frequent the pathways threads that seem to be in the know.
I’m going back to read your dive.
I'm not sure we would need a specific Director - but it really depends on how it is implemented.

If it was my show I would have the GM of Footy oversee it with the head coach, pathways and performance along with an independent to provide feedback so as not to create a self licking icecream.

Having said that I would see the road to development as setting up a strategic planning team to develop a coaching strategy that outlines the way we want to play and the culture we want to have. That is probably the GM of footy, Benji and Gallant along with an independent coaching "expert". This guarantees that the key touch points are involved and we have an independent advisor to provide cutting edge guidance.

From there it is a matter of conducting an analysis, under the GM of footy, to identify the specified and implied tasks that have to be done to impliment the strategy and from that identify the tasks that are essential to success. The essential tasks have to be manned and funded to be achieve the outcome and the others prioritsed for achievement by time or event.

Once that is done it is all about getting it done with reviews at key points to ensure the implementation is on track and once implemented that the process and performance is up to speed (what isn't measured isn't done).

As for who in the current coaching ranks - while we could take a stab I don't think you can do that until you have the strategy developed and signed off. The there is a roadmap to guide the way.
 
I'm not sure we would need a specific Director - but it really depends on how it is implemented.

If it was my show I would have the GM of Footy oversee it with the head coach, pathways and performance along with an independent to provide feedback so as not to create a self licking icecream.

Having said that I would see the road to development as setting up a strategic planning team to develop a coaching strategy that outlines the way we want to play and the culture we want to have. That is probably the GM of footy, Benji and Gallant along with an independent coaching "expert". This guarantees that the key touch points are involved and we have an independent advisor to provide cutting edge guidance.

From there it is a matter of conducting an analysis, under the GM of footy, to identify the specified and implied tasks that have to be done to impliment the strategy and from that identify the tasks that are essential to success. The essential tasks have to be manned and funded to be achieve the outcome and the others prioritsed for achievement by time or event.

Once that is done it is all about getting it done with reviews at key points to ensure the implementation is on track and once implemented that the process and performance is up to speed (what isn't measured isn't done).

As for who in the current coaching ranks - while we could take a stab I don't think you can do that until you have the strategy developed and signed off. The there is a roadmap to guide the way.
is getting Sheens back as G M of footy worthwhile, he no doubt had an eye 4 future talent , could he work under Richo, Should/could we put Richo as gm of footy if a suitable replacement could b found for him (Richo looks crook - always ,best to have him part time then not at all ) The world is a changing. Can't think of any new age name from the last 25 years that i'd b happy in charge of this club.As far as talent scouting coaches ,my brain wont let me go there yet (god bless it )
 
is getting Sheens back as G M of footy worthwhile, he no doubt had an eye 4 future talent , could he work under Richo, Should/could we put Richo as gm of footy if a suitable replacement could b found for him (Richo looks crook - always ,best to have him part time then not at all ) The world is a changing. Can't think of any new age name from the last 25 years that i'd b happy in charge of this club.As far as talent scouting coaches ,my brain wont let me go there yet (god bless it )
The only thing I letting Sheens in charge off at this club is the 100 year reunion of the 2005 GF.
And Richo stays.
 
I'm not sure we would need a specific Director - but it really depends on how it is implemented.

If it was my show I would have the GM of Footy oversee it with the head coach, pathways and performance along with an independent to provide feedback so as not to create a self licking icecream.

Having said that I would see the road to development as setting up a strategic planning team to develop a coaching strategy that outlines the way we want to play and the culture we want to have. That is probably the GM of footy, Benji and Gallant along with an independent coaching "expert". This guarantees that the key touch points are involved and we have an independent advisor to provide cutting edge guidance.

From there it is a matter of conducting an analysis, under the GM of footy, to identify the specified and implied tasks that have to be done to impliment the strategy and from that identify the tasks that are essential to success. The essential tasks have to be manned and funded to be achieve the outcome and the others prioritsed for achievement by time or event.

Once that is done it is all about getting it done with reviews at key points to ensure the implementation is on track and once implemented that the process and performance is up to speed (what isn't measured isn't done).

As for who in the current coaching ranks - while we could take a stab I don't think you can do that until you have the strategy developed and signed off. The there is a roadmap to guide the way.
The other thing I’m thinking, and would help with this, part owning another club in pomland. You could then also have a shared type system. I mentioned this before Bud went to souths. We could sent players, coaches etc. over for experience and bring them back better individuals. Now we starting to think like a well run organisation.
Especially while Richie is assisting the NRL, he could be eyeing off a club.
 
The other thing I’m thinking, and would help with this, part owning another club in pomland. You could then also have a shared type system. I mentioned this before Bud went to souths. We could sent players, coaches etc. over for experience and bring them back better individuals. Now we starting to think like a well run organisation.
Especially while Richie is assisting the NRL, he could be eyeing off a club.
Having that link would be gold, not sure you would even need part ownership to pull somethign together as it would be beneficial to both parties.

I wonder how the boards would react to a proposal like that. Wests Tigers Board I expect would be supportive as it has a direct benefit to our recruitment pool. The HBF board on the other hand?

The facetious me thinks the HBG may possibly support it as long as the deal includes free travel and meals for debenture holders to the UK "in support" of the sister club. The realist doesn't see it providing a benefit to the members who spend their time feeding the pokies and themselves at the clubs they run so it woudl get a thumbs down.

Regardless of ownership support I'm sure a mutually beneficial agreement coudl be reached. I wonder how that would affect the salary cap and how the NRLPA would take it.
 
is getting Sheens back as G M of footy worthwhile, he no doubt had an eye 4 future talent , could he work under Richo, Should/could we put Richo as gm of footy if a suitable replacement could b found for him (Richo looks crook - always ,best to have him part time then not at all ) The world is a changing. Can't think of any new age name from the last 25 years that i'd b happy in charge of this club.As far as talent scouting coaches ,my brain wont let me go there yet (god bless it )
I'm really not so sure. The latest Pascoe Fiasco with him as coach has me concerned about his ability to enact change. I think he is a bit stuck in the past. The GM of footy needs to have footy smarts and speak with authority so I think an ex player or coach would be the way to go though. Wayne Pierce, Mark ONeill, Mick Potter perhaps and their remit would be to take a load off Richo, who at the moment appears to be doing the heavy lifting.

The key to making this work though doesn't have to have a footy brain they have to be a very experienced planner. I would be targetting an ex military or modern business type that understands how to break down a complex task and develop plans to target critical opportunities while protecting our own vulnerabilities. Let's call him or her the Footy Chief of Staff.

I would see them, on behalf of Richo or the GM of Footy being responsible for, and running, the strategic planning process to define the football objectives, evaluate the emerging environment, develop a range of options, analyse the options against a range of situations, compare them, select the best one, and develop the implementation plan. Then go on to do that again as an iterative cycle once each milestone is achieved to ensure that the plan remains relevant.

The key to making it work is to having someone like that surrounded by smart footy minds so they can get to the true nuggets that make a difference. It may not even have to be a full time position - it could be someone with that type of background; eg, ex military, ex business exec that comes in part time and keeps it on track while the execution is left to the permanant staff.

Heaps of ways it could be worked.
 
Tim Sheens (23) – in a mentorship role focussed on rebuilding foundations

History will be kind to Sheens (23). He did a good job. Benji is well and truly up and running. I also think a lot of the good work done by Sheens as director of football operations is obscured by the tough job he had stepping back into being Head Coach while teaching Benji the ropes.

A lot of people said it was a bad idea and it didn't work, but from my perspective the football program that he kicked off upon his return (2021) is now really bearing fruit. He bore the brunt of a lot of blowback from that team that needed to bottom out in order to become a development club again. He saw how good Bula was, and I doubt Madge would have graded him at all, let alone as effectively.
 
My Deep Dive Question is simply this

Are we truly a Development Club and does the NRL actually encourage this concept?

Talking Points

Why are we speculating on Galvin at 19? Surely the Club must be protected from Vultures?

Today we saw all 3 Tigers top grades win at 1 venue. Surely this how the game should be played?

Cheers
 
My Deep Dive Question is simply this

Are we truly a Development Club and does the NRL actually encourage this concept?

Talking Points

Why are we speculating on Galvin at 19? Surely the Club must be protected from Vultures?

Today we saw all 3 Tigers top grades win at 1 venue. Surely this how the game should be played?

Cheers
Today we saw all 3 Tigers top grades win at 1 venue. Surely this how the game should be played?

Yes.
 
History will be kind to Sheens (23). He did a good job. Benji is well and truly up and running. I also think a lot of the good work done by Sheens as director of football operations is obscured by the tough job he had stepping back into being Head Coach while teaching Benji the ropes.

A lot of people said it was a bad idea and it didn't work, but from my perspective the football program that he kicked off upon his return (2021) is now really bearing fruit. He bore the brunt of a lot of blowback from that team that needed to bottom out in order to become a development club again. He saw how good Bula was, and I doubt Madge would have graded him at all, let alone as effectively.
I think Sheens will always be known as a master tactician, his second tenure is also starting the bear fruit; however, i believe his early grading of so many with potential hindered us as much as helped. Great idea in concept; and 26 will be the year we are able to sehd some of those top 30 contracts wasted on players that didn't cut it. Perhaps the ealy contracts kept them at the club but had them coasting as they had already "made the grade".

We definitely need someone with vision as a GM of Footy. It would take a huge load of Richo's shouleders. That doesn't mean that Richo has no oversight, as the GM of Footy would work closely for him. Richo may even keep his hat in the ring on the coacheing committee (should one ever be raised) and the selections committee etc. But the brunto of the work would be shared with others. I'm not sure if Richo is a delegator or likes to hold all of the cards. But, should Richo move on, we need to have a plan already in place as I doubt that we will unearth another administrator with his footballing nouse.
 
Leichardt Tigers has raised a valid issue for discussion -

How should Wests Tigers operate as a development club and is this concept supported/encouraged by the NRL?

I think we can wrap the Galvin point in it as a case study. Leave it with me and I will see what I can pull together

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I had prepared something quite different for this weeks discussion, but that was overcome by events; ie, the Lachie Galvin show. That has made this topic not only current but even more relevant. I have outlined below my take on the current situation our club finds itself in a "development club" in a pool of sharks that is the NRL.

Note that this is my personal view on what is a possible framework could look like for discussion purposes - it is not a proposed solution supported by deep research.

Deep Dive of the Week 3 – What is the benefit of Wests Tigers operating as a development club?

The recent contract dilemma surrounding Lachlan Galvin has reignited an important question for the Wests Tigers: should the club embrace its identity as a development club — and if so, is that strategy viable in today’s NRL landscape?

While the Galvin situation has been already been resolved after he advised us that he will would be testing the market come 1 November, it provides us with an opportunity to examine the challenges and opportunities related to player development at the elite level. More broadly, it prompts reflection on how the NRL system treats clubs that invest heavily in grassroots pathways, and whether that model is sustainable without broader structural support.

So, What Is a Development Club in the NRL?

In simple terms, a development club is one that focuses its resources on scouting, nurturing, and retaining local junior talent rather than relying on high-profile signings. Successful examples include the Penrith Panthers, who have built a premiership-winning core from within their junior nursery, the North Queensland Cowboys, whose 2022 rise was driven by homegrown stars, and Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs, who, after developing a core of talent from other clubs, is starting to bring through juniors from their nursery.

We have one of the largest junior catchment areas in the game, so, this approach to growing the club makes sense in principle. The club has produced elite-level players such as Benji Marshall and James Tedesco and is currently nurturing TDS. However, identifying and developing talent is only half the battle. As shown with the drawn out Lachlan Galvin saga, the harder part is retaining them long enough to see the benefits.

The Tigers' Development Dilemma

To function successfully as a development club, we need to ensure three key pillars are in place:
  1. A Clear and Stable Pathway: Junior players must see a transparent path from SG Ball to NRL — with consistent coaching and positional planning (reflect on Deep Dive 2 in relation to coach development).
  2. Organisational Stability: Frequent turnover in head coaches, recruitment staff, and senior management undermines trust and progress.
  3. Cultural Buy-In: The club must foster a first-grade culture that younger players aspire to be part of, not to leave at the first opportunity.
Right now, we are in a transitional phase. While there have been renewed investments in pathways, facilities, and staff, the club still struggles with on-field results and broader cultural cohesion. These issues directly affect retention. Until we have juniors coming through the system into a balanced, and consistently high performing first grade side the club will remain a breeding ground for talented juniors to be poached by non-developmental clubs like Melbourne Storm and the Sydney Roosters.

Case Study: Lachlan Galvin
Lachlan Galvin represents the prototypical development success story — a confident, homegrown "five-eighth" with a strong junior resume and a bright future in the NRL. He’s shown composure beyond his years in a struggling side. Even though he has requested releases prior, he outwardly indicated a desire to perform and see out his tenure at the club. As a result the club invested in his development, believing that the investment would be rewarded with loyalty.

Yet just a handful of games into his NRL career, reports are that Galvin’s management does not believe that he can grow sufficiently under the guidance and mentorship of Benji Marshall and will test the market at the end of his current contract. The root cause, from Galvin’s management’s point of view, is a lack of direction, opportunity and growth at our club.

This situation highlights a core tension: even if the club develops elite juniors, we risk losing them early if there’s no stable system to retain and elevate them. In Galvin’s case, questions remained around positional planning, the presence of experienced mentors, and the overall vision being presented to him.

Simply put, if a local junior who has stated that he wants to play with the club and the friends that he played with through his junior development has made a decision to test the market something deeper than money is part of the issue. The question we need to answer is this: can we identify and address the issue(s) before we lose the cream of our emerging crop?

Is the NRL System Built to Support Development Clubs?

While the NRL celebrates development success stories, the structural support for development clubs is non-existent. It is each club’s choice what approach they take to developing their roster and the NRL does not favour one approach over another.

The controversy created by poaching juniors from development clubs is alos great “click bait” and has the NRL constantly in the news; which meets the NRLs marketing needs. This does come at a cost. Fans become disgruntled as home grown talent walks out the dor to glamour clubs offering a premiership ride, glamour, and “outside of contract” support. Some fans choose to walk away from the game as they see their club raped of its home grown talent*.

The key challenges development clubs face include:
  • No salary cap discounts for players developed internally, meaning clubs pay full price to retain the very players they’ve produced.
  • No draft system or transfer fees, making it easy for wealthier or more successful clubs to sign emerging talent without compensation.
  • No (enforced) limitations on managers negotiating with rival clubs while players are still mid-contract, creating instability for rebuilding teams; i.e., managers negotiate outside of the 1 November deadline without talking contract specifics
This makes it difficult for struggling teams to hold onto talent long enough to build a competitive roster. Unless the system evolves to reward retention and long-term planning, the pressure to produce juniors will always outweigh the ability to keep them.

So Where Do the Tigers Go From Here?

If we want to reach our goal of being a development club, we must double down — not only in identifying talent but more importantly in building an environment where players want to stay and grow. That means:
  • Appointing strong, long-term football leadership (potential GM of Footy).
  • Ensuring clear and honest communication with young players and their representatives (Pathways).
  • Building a first-grade environment that prioritises mentoring, accountability, and growth over short-term fixes (Professional and Continual Coach Development)
Retaining Lachlan Galvin clearly demonstrates Wests Tigers current standing in the NRL as a development Club. The handling of TDS and his future are symbolic of our broader commitment to turning the development club cream into reality. Not because he’s the finished product, but because, with Galvin gone, he now represents the future the club claims to be investing in.

Conclusion

The concept of the Wests Tigers as a development club is not only logical — it’s necessary in order for us to climb out of the ashes of our inner turmoil. But for that model to succeed, we need investment in the professional development of our coaching staff, stability in the club and its staff and the creation of a consistently high performing NRL team with a culture that inspires our juniors.

It is essential that the club invests in systems that protect and reward those investments. It must, conspire with the other development clubs to lobby the NRL and the RLPA to create systems that support the development and retention of our juniors. Failure to invest in this, as the foundation of the club, risk us becoming nothing more than a feeder club for more successful organisations. The challenge is convincing the NRL and the RLPA that failing to protect the juniors of development club’s risks weakening the very grassroots talent pipeline it relies upon to survive.

Galvin's situation was more than just a contract negotiation — it’s was a referendum on the Tigers' long-term strategy, and a test case for how the league values development clubs in a competitive and commercially-driven era. The fallout will be interesting to watch.

What are your thoughts and ideas?

* How many requires detailed investigation and is beyond the scope of this level of analysis – but is worthy of investigation by the club.
 

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