Wests Tigers incensed over Ryan James charge for James Tedesco hit

The litigation flood gates will open soon and swallow the NRL …can not preach the protection of players heads and do nothing about it , The NRL are fools thinking this is not around the corner .
 
Of course Tedesco was dropping to the ground. You see this so many times in games where the player is catching a bomb. He drops quickly to the ground as an act of self preservation. Apparently Ryan James and the judiciary have never noticed this before, and it caught them all by surprise.

W! T! F!
 
@Snake said:
The litigation flood gates will open soon and swallow the NRL …can not preach the protection of players heads and do nothing about it , The NRL are fools thinking this is not around the corner .
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I really hope you are right. Maybe this is the angle James' father should pursue.
The whole argument that big blokes smashing smaller skilled players for no reason other than to take them out of play is 'all part of the game' is unfortunately true. And in this instance their actions are being endorsed.
The NRL has a Duty of Care to its players. Does anyone believe that the NRL is honouring is Duty of Care? I would love to see an independent investigation into this whole incident, including the running of the MRC meeting.
As a side note: I wonder if this is one of the impacts WT suffers by not having big money sponsors. Surely if we had several high rollers backing us they would be into the NRL over their investment.
The whole thing is un-fortunately-believable.
 
It makes me want to go to the Newcastle/Titans game just give it to that filthy grub Ryan James for the entire game

Fingers crossed someone smashes his jaw
 
@tigers2005 said:
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@foreveratiger said:
http://www.nrl.com/bizarre-scenes-as-james-avoids-nrl-ban/tabid/10874/newsid/100368/default.aspx

Bizarre scenes as James avoids NRL ban

Wed 17 Aug, 2016, 7:25pm
By James MacSmith, AAP
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Bizarre scenes as James avoids NRL ban
Ryan James was found not guilty at the NRL judiciary and will be free to play this week. Credit: Charles Knight. Copyright: NRL Photos.
Gold Coast forward Ryan James has been found guilty of a high tackle on Wests Tigers fullback James Tedesco, but has escaped suspension after successfully arguing for a downgrade.

In bizarre scenes on Wednesday night at the NRL judiciary at Rugby League Central, James was found guilty of a grade-two careless high tackle which broke Tedesco's jaw in the Titans' win on Saturday at Campbelltown.

However, James' defence counsel Jim Hall then argued for a downgrade, but only after the prompting of panel member Royce Ayliffe.

"Hang on - we have only found him guilty," Ayliffe said after the verdict was read out by fellow panel member Mal Cochrane.

The panel of Ayliffe, Cochrane and Chris McKenna then promptly awarded the downgrade, meaning James is free to play in the Titans' round-24 clash with Newcastle on Saturday at Hunter Stadium.

James, who is one of the NRL's most-penalised players, has 90 carryover points to contend with.

Titans coach Neil Henry, who sat next to James throughout the hearing, spoke on behalf of his prop after the hearing.

"We came down here, thinking the speed at which it happened (meant) it wasn't a careless action by Ryan," Henry said.

"The judiciary said it was on the lower end of carelessness. They took into account how fast the action happened and the fact Tedesco was dropping.

"We had a fair hearing. We're disappointed in one regard. But the speed these things can happen at in the game means there was no malice on Ryan's behalf."

In giving evidence, James said he didn't have time to adjust to Tedesco "dropping in the tackle".

"I was running and trying to catch him in the tackle and run him back a little further," James said.

"I dropped my body level … I couldn't have done anything else to avoid collision."

However, James said he did take his eyes off Tedesco just before impact.

Judiciary prosecutor Peter McGrath seized on that as an admission of carelessness.

"In the context of a rugby league game player, Tedesco did not drop dramatically," he said.

"Taking his eyes off player Tedesco is where the carelessness lies.

"Player James did not show the special duty of care required to avoid contact with the head.

"The contact was not accidental. It was not unavoidable."

Defence counsel Jim Hall said the contact was accidental.

"I would suggest player James didn't have the time to change his tackle after player Tedesco turned and dropped."

What a load of crap !
Tedesco dropped cause he knew he was about to get belted ….
And still got belted !

The NRL stepped in to protect kickers by making it illegal to tackle their legs after they kick. I think they need to step in and protect fullbacks who are so courageous yet have to sit their like lame ducks and take dog hits. Instead of sending out a message that the onus is on the chaser not to make contact with the fullback , they have done the complete opposite. what a joke!!!!
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Well said, the bomb is basically being used now to set the fullback up for a cheap shot. The NRL need to act on this. Maybe change the rule to state that to make contact with a fullback that is in the process of taking a bomb right through to his landing on the ground and being in a position to fight of a tackle you must be contesting the bomb. Any cheap shot tackles are penalised. Any injuries like Tedesco's are therefore from illegal high shots that are the full responsibility of the player making the tackle. They will than not be able to say 'but the player was falling' because it's a tackle they shouldn't be making in the 1st place.
 
How about a rule that requires a tackler to remain 5 metres away from an opposing player who is attempting to field a bomb. I am sure that there was a similar rule (downtown rule?) in play as recently as the late 1980's. At the very least there should be a rule that enforces the tackler from a bomb be a certain distance from the player who has put up the bomb.
 
@LARDS said:
They only applied for a downgrade after being prompted by the judiciary member. This is not incompetence. Its prejudiced and corrupt ie rigged.
Don't complain to toddy . He's the puppeteer.
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That's fairly standard procedure in courts and tribunals. After guilt is determined there is a determination of penalty. Given that the submission on behalf of James was that he was not careless at all it would have been obvious to them that his counsel should contest the grading.
 
A cowardly assault on a defenceless player aided and abetted by an inept NRL. Not a surprise James, a player with plenty of prior foul play form, virtually gets off with a downgrade the GC weren't initially even asking for and doubtless wouldn't have pursued but for the helpful assistance of the judiciary after finding this grub guilty as charged!
 
@Juro said:
Of course Tedesco was dropping to the ground. You see this so many times in games where the player is catching a bomb. He drops quickly to the ground as an act of self preservation. Apparently Ryan James and the judiciary have never noticed this before, and it caught them all by surprise.

W! T! F!
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This incident aside.
If the rules of rugby League were applied. And voluntary tackles were penalised , as they should be, then a lot of this falling/ diving to the ground intentionally( particularly near the tryline, ) would no longer exist,
Full backs do it all the time.
There are rules in the game, try something new, Apply Them
 
@Newtown said:
How about a rule that requires a tackler to remain 5 metres away from an opposing player who is attempting to field a bomb. I am sure that there was a similar rule (downtown rule?) in play as recently as the late 1980's. At the very least there should be a rule that enforces the tackler from a bomb be a certain distance from the player who has put up the bomb.
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James was penalised for being off-side….not for the contact on Tedesco...it did not stop him from going through with the tackle...
 
@Curaeus said:
A cowardly assault on a defenceless player aided and abetted by an inept NRL. Not a surprise James, a player with plenty of prior foul play form, virtually gets off with a downgrade the GC weren't initially even asking for and doubtless wouldn't have pursued but for the helpful assistance of the judiciary after finding this grub guilty as charged!
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As James was clearly offside it definitely was a cowardly tackle on a defenceless player. For James to be aided, abetted and acquitted by an NRL run jury is very difficult to fathom, especially when NRL rules that a player may be suspended for even accidentally slightly touching a referee. But then again isn't the NRL affiliated with the Titans.
 
Sure, he got it a bit wrong. Sure, Tedesco was a bit low down. Sure, it happened a bit fast.

But these are reasons, not excuses. That fact remains that Ryan James has massive form, and the bottom line that he went in with intent and there was enough contact with the head to break a players jaw… and I thought that is was the league was trying to stop?

Make no mistake, his arm was swung late in the contact - clenched fist or not.

Biggest judiciary joke for some time. Pffffffffffffft
 
I don't want to stop watching the Nrl, but I'm this close to giving it up altogether. I love Rugby League. I hate the NRL. I used to watch every game. Now I'm finding myself skipping more and more. It's gradual, but it's coming.

I've started to tune in less and less to the extra content such as nrl 360, stereo, etc. Thankfully we get fox coverage here in NZ. If I had to watch 9 I'd be gone already.
 
Put simply, any contact with the head is illegal. Thankfully when contact does happen, on whatever scale of carelessness or recklessness you choose, most of the time serious injury is avoided. The whole point of suspension and the referee penalty is to ensure players display a duty of care to other players.

In this instance, a serious injury has occurred. Whether it was careless or reckless, it doesn't matter - contact was made with the head an incurred a serious injury. James should have been made to be an example to other players to show duty of care. A classic case where the NRL can say, "yes accidents can occur, but you can't be careless, reckless (or whatever) to any extent because any contact with the head has the risk of serious injury. 4 week suspension."
 
Maybe I have it all wrong but it appeared to me in the video, because Tedesco was already on his way down, James didn't have to do much of anything to affect a tackle. The swinging arm was completely unnecessary. Shouldn't the incident be viewed from that perspective? Not that it matters, the NRL doesn't seem to be concerned by it.
 
Let's look back on some similar issues this year.

Tim Simona - 3 weeks - crusher tackle which hardly was a crusher…perhaps the most innocuous illegal tackle I've seen recently. Leaned on Jack Bird more than anything.
Martin Taupau - 1 week - knocks Jack Bird, who doesn't have the ball, unconscious in what can only be described as cowardly assault. If this happened on the streets you'd be facing prison time.
Charlie Gubb - 7 weeks - shoulder charge + high. It's a reckless tackle, but no one was hurt and there was no malice or intent.
 
@Nelson said:
@LARDS said:
They only applied for a downgrade after being prompted by the judiciary member. This is not incompetence. Its prejudiced and corrupt ie rigged.
Don't complain to toddy . He's the puppeteer.

That's fairly standard procedure in courts and tribunals. After guilt is determined there is a determination of penalty. Given that the submission on behalf of James was that he was not careless at all it would have been obvious to them that his counsel should contest the grading.
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Obvious to who?
Shouldn't his counsel be aware of this and if not too bad…. A bit like referees coaching players onfield
 
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