Wests Tigers incensed over Ryan James charge for James Tedesco hit

I've no issue with the Gubb suspension as he is a repeat offender when it comes to shoulder charges.
The Simona sentence and the lack of one for Taupau were completely absurd.
 
@Snake said:
Maybe there should of been some medicine dished out at the time but then again a pack that are powder puffs! And as I have said previously players should seek civil action against the perpetrator and this might put the NRL on notice to get its act together ,But James is laughing and Teddy will not be laughing for a very long time!
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I have not read these 9 pages but at a guess did the WT team all shake hands with James or acknowledge him after the game in customary fashion? They should have done a Woodsy 3 wise monkey stunt and completely ignored him
 
i think all of this comes down to on thing, once hayne signed with the titans there was no way the NRL was going to derail the titans season. hayne touch a ref, hayne no charge james breaks a jaw keep on playing the NRL are a joke.
 
@innsaneink said:
@Nelson said:
@LARDS said:
They only applied for a downgrade after being prompted by the judiciary member. This is not incompetence. Its prejudiced and corrupt ie rigged.
Don't complain to toddy . He's the puppeteer.

That's fairly standard procedure in courts and tribunals. After guilt is determined there is a determination of penalty. Given that the submission on behalf of James was that he was not careless at all it would have been obvious to them that his counsel should contest the grading.

Obvious to who?
Shouldn't his counsel be aware of this and if not too bad…. A bit like referees coaching players onfield
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Obvious to the tribunal. It's just basic procedural fairness that you give the players appearing before you the opportunity to be heard on penalty and yes, you prompt them if they do not specifically address it. It's not like coaching the counsel, it's just making sure that the tribunal hears all relevant submissions.

I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it if they'd turned around and said bad luck the grading the sticks, which is what they should have done…
 
Put it simply.. a million dollar game run by a 20c administration. They make it up as they go.
I am not surprised. Disappointed? Extremely! Disgusted? You bet!! Surprised at the outcome? NOT ONE BIT.
Might as well go back to the 60's and 70's, where anything goes, less to worry about on and off the field. :crazy
 
@NT Tiger said:
Maybe I have it all wrong but it appeared to me in the video, because Tedesco was already on his way down, James didn't have to do much of anything to affect a tackle. The swinging arm was completely unnecessary. Shouldn't the incident be viewed from that perspective? Not that it matters, the NRL doesn't seem to be concerned by it.
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You got nothing wrong mate - in fact, you got all 100% correct!

And all this talk of excuses about it happening quickly - well that was because James was sprinting at Tedesco all the way until contact. This to me gave another aspect of carelessness, as well as the fact that he could have pulled back when he saw Tedesco was not going anywhere.
 
Jason Taylor re the judiciary ruling: http://www.foxsports.com.au/news/jason-taylor-has-refused-to-lash-out-at-judiciary-after-ryan-james-was-cleared-to-play-for-titans/news-story/9d312bff1e75470033b3fccfa7fd01c1

I would like to have seen him thank the judiciary for setting a new precedent in their approach to rulings. One that he will be coaching his forwards to take full advantage of for the remainder of the season.
 
@NT Tiger said:
Jason Taylor re the judiciary ruling: http://www.foxsports.com.au/news/jason-taylor-has-refused-to-lash-out-at-judiciary-after-ryan-james-was-cleared-to-play-for-titans/news-story/9d312bff1e75470033b3fccfa7fd01c1
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Handled that well I think. He couldn't really say any more (in public) without it becoming a circus in the media, and as he says we have to get on with it and win tomorrow night either way.
Hopefully, behind closed doors, O'Neill and Pascoe are taking things up with the powers that be in a much stronger way.
 
Still got me stuffed how you can be found guilty of something then they decide to reduce the charge to determine penalty.
Get found guilty of murder and then sentenced for manslaughter.
Guilty of rape… Sentenced for assault
 
@innsaneink said:
Still got me stuffed how you can be found guilty of something then they decide to reduce the charge to determine penalty.
Get found guilty of murder and then sentenced for manslaughter.
Guilty of rape… Sentenced for assault
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Because the elements of the charge remain the same (unlike in the murder v manslaughter example) and the grading just reflects the degree of seriousness of the offence. There is no sentencing process outside of the grading because the grading dictates how many points the player will receive. If you were going to liken it to murder sentencing then it's like the difference between say 10 years for a grade 1 murder (like a battered wife who doesn't get up on self defence or provocation) and life for a grade 5 murder (like a contract killing of a Crown witness). Same offence and same elements but a different penalty to reflect the seriousness of the offence.
 
Did you see the wsy the bronco's fired up after Kasiano kicked Parker, our blokes should have done the same last week.
 
@Nelson said:
@innsaneink said:
Still got me stuffed how you can be found guilty of something then they decide to reduce the charge to determine penalty.
Get found guilty of murder and then sentenced for manslaughter.
Guilty of rape… Sentenced for assault

Because the elements of the charge remain the same (unlike in the murder v manslaughter example) and the grading just reflects the degree of seriousness of the offence. There is no sentencing process outside of the grading because the grading dictates how many points the player will receive. If you were going to liken it to murder sentencing then it's like the difference between say 10 years for a grade 1 murder (like a battered wife who doesn't get up on self defence or provocation) and life for a grade 5 murder (like a contract killing of a Crown witness). Same offence and same elements but a different penalty to reflect the seriousness of the offence.
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Well, however they rorted it, they managed to get the "murderer" off with nothing but a good behavior Bond.
 
@851 said:
Did you see the wsy the bronco's fired up after Kasiano kicked Parker, our blokes should have done the same last week.
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Agreed, but gee the refs lost total control tonight and both teams lost the plot
 
@supercoach said:
@851 said:
Did you see the wsy the bronco's fired up after Kasiano kicked Parker, our blokes should have done the same last week.

Agreed, but gee the refs lost total control tonight and both teams lost the plot
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Yep…100%
That little pipsqueak tonite who refs origin is supposed to be our top ref???
What a joke....dont even know who the other bloke was who didnt seem to have a clue, at one stage looked like he was trying to hug the scrum.
The game is in big big trouble...players and fans are frustrated to hell
 
@Tigerheart_returns said:
Put it simply.. a million dollar game run by a 20c administration. They make it up as they go.
I am not surprised. Disappointed? Extremely! Disgusted? You bet!! Surprised at the outcome? NOT ONE BIT.
Might as well go back to the 60's and 70's, where anything goes, less to worry about on and off the field. :crazy
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Well said, the Tedesco thing was a farce, okay James may have had a defence with the rule being written as it is, but if that is the case than the rule has to be changed and the NRL has to have the power to make rulings outside the rule book. Take the two ball thing against the Knights this year, the NRL came out and said there was no rule that covered that incident, thats a cop out, they needed to make the obvious call and say it was not in the spirit of the game…as with the Tedesco thing.

The NRL under Greenberg is still no different to any other administration they have had in the past, plenty of talk and no action

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@supercoach said:
@Tigerheart_returns said:
Put it simply.. a million dollar game run by a 20c administration. They make it up as they go.
I am not surprised. Disappointed? Extremely! Disgusted? You bet!! Surprised at the outcome? NOT ONE BIT.
Might as well go back to the 60's and 70's, where anything goes, less to worry about on and off the field. :crazy

Well said, the Tedesco thing was a farce, okay James may have had a defence with the rule being written as it is, but if that is the case than the rule has to be changed and the NRL has to have the power to make rulings outside the rule book. Take the two ball thing against the Knights this year, the NRL came out and said there was no rule that covered that incident, thats a cop out, they needed to make the obvious call and say it was not in the spirit of the game…as with the Tedesco thing.

The NRL under Greenberg is still no different to any other administration they have had in the past, plenty of talk and no action

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You nailed with seven simple words "Not in the spirit of the game".
I was thinking I f they were to bring in this rule it would fix so many of the games problems. The only problem is everyone has a different interpretation of what is " in the spirit of the game".
 
It's a shame that all the respect the Titans have earned this yr for being gutsy and playing above their weight has flown out the window since they signed Hayne. Don't be surprised if Channel 9 aren't in on the rort as they don't have any Titans games scheduled for the rest of the regular season and can only cash in in with ratings if the Titans make the 8\. The worst, most shameless part about the whole thing is they don't even try to hide the corruption. The entire NRL administration needs an overhaul. And an investigation of corruption wouldn't go astray either. No one will say it out loud though, it's like the elephant in the room. No one will take notice till someone like Gus has the balls to bring it to light.
 
Sent off a email the other day to the NRL voicing my dismay. Got a long email back from a guy called Robert basically saying the correct process was carried out and James was correctly charged and MRC had made a call and the NRL supports the MRC.

They just don't get it, every week we are seeing rubbish decisions made by the refs,MCR and the NRL and they are not interested.

The NRL are sitting on a billion dollar contract because of players like Tedesco who are just so exciting to watch, but the fools at HQ will not protect their biggest assets. One day the chook that laid the golden egg might just drop dead
 
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