Wests Tigers need quick $1m to survive

[diedpretty]

Where is the proof that Bailey leaked this to the press - might it not be a ploy by tricky Nick to leak it and get the NRL/ARL to step in sooner rather than later and get an independent board up and running. The problem then of course is who foots the bill - Ashfield would walk away if they don't have a major say.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

If we are going to go down that road then the honest truth is Balmain Football club and Wests Magpies football club shouldn't have any seats on the board and Balmain Leagues Club should only hold a few seats in correlation with their input. The NRL should also have a few seats in recognition of their investment and the shambles we have become.

Also it should be put in the constitution that numpty fossils like Dawn should never be allowed on WT board

I think the Football clubs should have some input to the board, but their involvement is limited to club colours, home grounds etc such that the JV maintains its linkage to the foundation clubs.

 

[system]

I am happy for Wests Ashfield to have a greater share of seats.

I just want the NRL to appoint a group to manage us properly.

We blew our initial grant money, we have blown not only our premiership boost but also the opportunities it presented we never capitalised on, we operate out of old facilities with a gym not up to semi pro standards and all the while our board has been squabbling over garbage issues.

For people asking why the board should go those are just a few of the reasons

That is our problem as a club. When the fan base squabbles over the trivial junk in a merger it it is somewhat expected yet unfortunate. When the people running the joint do it it is an abomination and they have to go.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We need to get the centre of excellence up and running

 

[Mccarry]

VIRGIN , Mr Branson , that would help

Yeah, except the brand wouldn't fit. The board (both sides) has raped us so many times through the media that Virgin just wouldn't work.

 

[Knuckles]

You don't think there is any issue with this being discussed through the media?

Not at all.

The NRL club needs a $1m cash injection, an amount that can be provided by one of the stakeholders. _**It's not that big a deal**_.

When you are talking about the future decision making, ownership structure and control of the organisation, I beg to differ that its _not that big a deal_.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

If we are going to go down that road then the honest truth is Balmain Football club and Wests Magpies football club shouldn't have any seats on the board and Balmain Leagues Club should only hold a few seats in correlation with their input. The NRL should also have a few seats in recognition of their investment and the shambles we have become.

Also it should be put in the constitution that numpty fossils like Dawn should never be allowed on WT board

Agree totally.

 

[Benjirific]

The wests magpies board run one of the most profitable and successful clubs in the country, including business property gaming and liquour. They would be as clued up as any independent, and would probably turn the fortunes of the club around very quickly. I don't think the balmain guys are as accomplished.
The problem is that the WT board is deadlocked so every decision is a compromise, and neither side will give for fear it will dilute the legacy of their great clubs.
Compromise is not a way to run a business because it is always following the path of least resistance.
Give control to ashfield, the sky won't fall in, but we will see some real changes. Perhaps the real issue is one of the Balmain board members won't get their $50k kick each year.

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Maybe Ashfield is. Not sure you can say the same about Campbelltown. You've made some pretty generalised statements about what has gone on. I can't vouch for whether the Ashfield club is well run or not - being in an area with hordes of Asians with gambling addiction certainly helps. To suggest the Balmain board (and we're talking about the Leagues Club rather than the Football Club) are to blame for everything that went wrong over simplifies things. They could certainly not have foreseen the GFC coming on the day they were going to sign the building agreement…

Anyway as I've said many times in this forum:

1 - Control of the club shouldn't be some Dutch auction where the biggest contributor buys control. The structure in place is supposedly there to run the club for the benefit of its underlying membership. Having a situation where neither Balmain nor Campbelltown are the majority on the board hardly does this.

2 - The club needs to move on from a model propped up by clubs funneling the hard-earned of desperates at a poker machine throwing away their money.

As an added comment I'd support a move towards a structure where Wests Tigers members directly elected the board and the board acted accordingly. If decisions are to be taken its the actual supporters who part with their money who should be listened to - not board members of league's clubs on ego trips.

I agree, in particular with point two. I get the sense from this article that Wests' solution is to throw money at it and it will be fine, which is exactly what we need to avoid doing. The biggest thing an independent board needs to bring to the organisation is the ability to run the club without having to look to Leagues Clubs for handouts when there is a shortfall. The reality is neither side of the joint venture has ever run a football club at a profit, or at break-even. They've always had Leagues Clubs handouts to keep them afloat (to be honest the fact that Balmain football club is still functioning is a testament to the work their board has done to keep them alive financially).

I think the best model is 4 independents (one of which is chairman), 3 from Wests, 3 from Balmain. That way no decision is split down party lines, no one side has more control than the other, and we have the required independence to move the joint forward and not just simply throw a $1million and expect to be able to be in control.

I also think that the NRL wouldn't allow them to go with a model that had one side in control over the other because that would only invoke more of the squabbling we've had. Not sold on Mayer yet (mainly as he's been happy to play everything out in the press like Bailey has been), but in reality this shouldn't have anything to do with him.

 

[Yossarian]

Balmain have had the balance of power on the Wests tigers board since the beginning of the franchise. They have made woeful decisions for balmain and disgraceful decisions for Wests tigers. They currently do not contribute to the franchise financially . The club is being kept afloat by Wests. Now Wests want a greater presence at board level. Considering how our club has been run and the poor decisions made, how could this be a bad thing. If You were to go into a partnership with either balmain or Wests , who would you choose???? For gods sake people take your balmain and Wests jerseys off. We are talking about the Wests tigers.
Just on another note, where is our billionaire sponsor Harry (Meriton ) in all this??? Does anyone know why he won't help? I do. Ask Benny Elias …..

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Yeah what's Harry doing??? Oh yeah that's right, he's the major sponsor…

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For gods sake people take your balmain and Wests jerseys off. We are talking about the Wests tigers.

Good advice…

 

[tigermaniac]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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[system]

Would any of you be happy to go back to either a Balmain team or a Magpies team in the NRL competition? I was as die hard Balmain as the next guy but I have realised that I don't want to go back to supporting Balmain Tigers. I follow Wests Tigers.

Fact is, none of us would be having this conversation if the team was winning. The constant release of inside information can be nothing less than a ploy by some to destabilise the club.

If Wests Ashfield provide most of the cash then they should get most of the say over how it is spent. If Balmain cannot govern their own finances then why should they have a say over how to govern finances supplied by Wests Ashfield?

This does not help to attract sponsors or players to our great club. Such a shame!

Hahahaha that is the most absurd thing I've read on this forum. Would lose 50% of their fans

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[Yossarian]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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The funds come from the NRL and the people going to the games or otherwise contributing as supporters. The sooner you realise this and stop thinking leagues clubs are the major bankrollers of the club, the clearer you'll start thinking.

 

[system]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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Three grades, all Wests Tigers.

As a fan that is all I will accept

 

[tigermaniac]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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The funds come from the NRL and the people going to the games or otherwise contributing as supporters. The sooner you realise this and stop thinking leagues clubs are the major bankrollers of the club, the clearer you'll start thinking.

Yoss calm down. First, do Balmain have a plan.

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[crusader]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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The funds come from the NRL and the people going to the games or otherwise contributing as supporters. The sooner you realise this and stop thinking leagues clubs are the major bankrollers of the club, the clearer you'll start thinking.

So why are we in financial trouble then????
So you say the Nrl is ripping us off…...
Think about the garbage your trying to convince us of..... Pleaseee

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[tigermaniac]

Do Balmain have a plan on how to get out of debt? If so can someone shed some light.

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[Coastie_Tiger]

Do Balmain have a plan on how to get out of debt? If so can someone shed some light.

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Build a leagues club and even then I think the horse has bolted

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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I don't think they would but more importantly I don't think the NRL would its wests tigers or bust forget Balmain and forget the magpies I doubt we will ever see them as separate entities in the top flight again

 

[TigerOfBankstown]

Would Balmain accept a proposal of calling the NRL team Wests and the NSW cup and u20s Tigers, in return for the Wests group to pay all the bills until they find there feet. They can settle on a time frame with conditions.

I don't think they would, clearly stubborn, they reject everything proposed to them, but have no proposal of their own. This is where our problem is. Even if the NRL stepped in I can't see Balmain having a big say in the running of the WT without funds.

Except what you have, it is what it is, otherwise the Balmain board can join the fans on the hill. Dave Trodden must have left for a reason, or is he still involved.

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Three grades, all Wests Tigers.

As a fan that is all I will accept

I thought we already are called wests? Wests Tigers?

Are u referring to western Suburbs>?

Balmain bailed Western Suburbs out in 99, now western suburbs can return the favor..

If Balmain are gone, then they should acknowledge this and withdraw from the JV, then Wests can go back to being Western Suburbs with there 17 spoons, no sponsors and 3000 supporters..

Besides where is all the money comming from? gambling Koreans.. what happens when that dries up? merge with Easts? the West Easts Roosters? and then waite for Nick politis to die? and then pop back up again..

 

[Demonborger]

All three grades Wests Tigers, playing in Sydney.