Wests Tigers Should just become Wests

@Abraham said:
@tigermaniac said:
The precedent was set with the Northern Eagles being allowed to fold and making way for Manly to return. The Wests CEO is confirming nothing will effect the Wests Group or Wests Tigers if Balmain fold. The NRL licence is between WT and NRL, yes like every other team, every year teams get a invite to play in the NRL. It's also stating the obvious that neither shareholder is connected to the WT licence as legally they'd be owners, but technically it's a marriage of Balmain and the Magpies. Should the NRL cease the JV, a massive legal challenge would follow. The case will heavily favour the shareholder, on what grounds are they omitted from taking part in the NRL as per the merger agreement. Like I said the precedent was set years ago. The final conclusion would be, the licence reverts to the Wests group if Balmain can't provide support as part of the original agreement, No partner can claim rights to WT name, colours or any association or rights owned by the WT.

I take back the porkies.

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Northern Eagles were a completely different scenario.

The bears were already broke at the time the JV was put in place, so the license went to Manly from the very beginning.

Unlike our situation were the JV itself was appointed the license and continues to hold it.

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j

So let's work this one out. Manly held the licence and decided to change their original colours, logo, name and take half their games away from Brookvale, to combine with a team that was broke, for what reason. The licence means little without an invite from the NRL. So was it a JV, a merger or a take over. As far as I know Manly/Notths had the same deal as Wests/Balmain, St George/Illawarra, take $8 million, combine and be safe from relocation. It was the final solution for all these clubs and the carrot was taken. You don't set your own rules here. In Manly's case they took all the players they wanted, split home games with Gosford, but most importantly took the carrot. You think the NRL gave them a get out clause and a licence, I don't think so. What might of happened is Manly disbanded from the merger and requested re entry to the NRL which was granted, so we now look back and see where the NRL set the precedent for other mergers to also use the same pathway. If Manly's position in the two party's coming together was a take over, with a broke Norths, Manly could of kept operating as normal with only relocating home games just to expand its catchment area. Wests group cannot be forced into continuing a partnership with Balmain if Balmain are in the same boat as the Bears. You tell me, how can it possibly work. As both clubs are 50% shareholders, no one can buy in without first approaching the other partner, and should the other partner decide against obtaining a greater share, they can block any move from an outside party getting involved as it's not in their best interest. Really what is the 50% share worth.

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@tigermaniac said:
@Abraham said:
@tigermaniac said:
The precedent was set with the Northern Eagles being allowed to fold and making way for Manly to return. The Wests CEO is confirming nothing will effect the Wests Group or Wests Tigers if Balmain fold. The NRL licence is between WT and NRL, yes like every other team, every year teams get a invite to play in the NRL. It's also stating the obvious that neither shareholder is connected to the WT licence as legally they'd be owners, but technically it's a marriage of Balmain and the Magpies. Should the NRL cease the JV, a massive legal challenge would follow. The case will heavily favour the shareholder, on what grounds are they omitted from taking part in the NRL as per the merger agreement. Like I said the precedent was set years ago. The final conclusion would be, the licence reverts to the Wests group if Balmain can't provide support as part of the original agreement, No partner can claim rights to WT name, colours or any association or rights owned by the WT.

I take back the porkies.

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Northern Eagles were a completely different scenario.

The bears were already broke at the time the JV was put in place, so the license went to Manly from the very beginning.

Unlike our situation were the JV itself was appointed the license and continues to hold it.

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j

So let's work this one out. Manly held the licence and decided to change their original colours, logo, name and take half their games away from Brookvale, to combine with a team that was broke, for what reason. The licence means little without an invite from the NRL. So was it a JV, a merger or a take over. As far as I know Manly/Notths had the same deal as Wests/Balmain, St George/Illawarra, take $8 million, combine and be safe from relocation. It was the final solution for all these clubs and the carrot was taken. You don't set your own rules here. In Manly's case they took all the players they wanted, split home games with Gosford, but most importantly took the carrot. You think the NRL gave them a get out clause and a licence, I don't think so. What might of happened is Manly disbanded from the merger and requested re entry to the NRL which was granted, so we now look back and see where the NRL set the precedent for other mergers to also use the same pathway. If Manly's position in the two party's coming together was a take over, with a broke Norths, Manly could of kept operating as normal with only relocating home games just to expand its catchment area. Wests group cannot be forced into continuing a partnership with Balmain if Balmain are in the same boat as the Bears. You tell me, how can it possibly work. As both clubs are 50% shareholders, no one can buy in without first approaching the other partner, and should the other partner decide against obtaining a greater share, they can block any move from an outside party getting involved as it's not in their best interest. Really what is the 50% share worth.

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We are obviously dealing with historical events, but from Manly's perspective is was quite simple. Volunteer to enter the JV, with the license to be given directly to them (and not the northern eagles, which is the big difference between what happened with the Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra), and pocket a cool $10m or whatever the figure was.

Two years later, things aren't working out, sorry Norths but the licence is ours and we are reverting back to the Manly Sea Eagles.

I don't recall there being any reapplication, the point is the licence was Manly's all along and they simply decided to change their name and logo (just like Balmain changed to Sydney Tigers for a while, or Easts becoming the Sydney City Roosters etc).

Anyway, arguing over what happened to the Northern Eagles is pointless, since we all know the facts concerning the NRL licensing agreement with the Wests Tigers.
 
As much as I hate Manly and what happened to Norths (a team penalised for moving out of Sydney in line with the Fitzgerald report), Manly was actually busted at the end of 1999\. Their leagues has still not recovered, hence they rely on Penn etc.

I don't know how they negotiated the license, but they should never have been allowed to play all matches at Brookvale. The ground does not meet the criteria set for clubs at the formation of the NRL (anyone remember that criteria???).
 
@Abraham said:
@tigermaniac said:
@Abraham said:
@tigermaniac said:
The precedent was set with the Northern Eagles being allowed to fold and making way for Manly to return. The Wests CEO is confirming nothing will effect the Wests Group or Wests Tigers if Balmain fold. The NRL licence is between WT and NRL, yes like every other team, every year teams get a invite to play in the NRL. It's also stating the obvious that neither shareholder is connected to the WT licence as legally they'd be owners, but technically it's a marriage of Balmain and the Magpies. Should the NRL cease the JV, a massive legal challenge would follow. The case will heavily favour the shareholder, on what grounds are they omitted from taking part in the NRL as per the merger agreement. Like I said the precedent was set years ago. The final conclusion would be, the licence reverts to the Wests group if Balmain can't provide support as part of the original agreement, No partner can claim rights to WT name, colours or any association or rights owned by the WT.

I take back the porkies.

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Northern Eagles were a completely different scenario.

The bears were already broke at the time the JV was put in place, so the license went to Manly from the very beginning.

Unlike our situation were the JV itself was appointed the license and continues to hold it.

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j

So let's work this one out. Manly held the licence and decided to change their original colours, logo, name and take half their games away from Brookvale, to combine with a team that was broke, for what reason. The licence means little without an invite from the NRL. So was it a JV, a merger or a take over. As far as I know Manly/Notths had the same deal as Wests/Balmain, St George/Illawarra, take $8 million, combine and be safe from relocation. It was the final solution for all these clubs and the carrot was taken. You don't set your own rules here. In Manly's case they took all the players they wanted, split home games with Gosford, but most importantly took the carrot. You think the NRL gave them a get out clause and a licence, I don't think so. What might of happened is Manly disbanded from the merger and requested re entry to the NRL which was granted, so we now look back and see where the NRL set the precedent for other mergers to also use the same pathway. If Manly's position in the two party's coming together was a take over, with a broke Norths, Manly could of kept operating as normal with only relocating home games just to expand its catchment area. Wests group cannot be forced into continuing a partnership with Balmain if Balmain are in the same boat as the Bears. You tell me, how can it possibly work. As both clubs are 50% shareholders, no one can buy in without first approaching the other partner, and should the other partner decide against obtaining a greater share, they can block any move from an outside party getting involved as it's not in their best interest. Really what is the 50% share worth.

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We are obviously dealing with historical events, but from Manly's perspective is was quite simple. Volunteer to enter the JV, with the license to be given directly to them (and not the northern eagles, which is the big difference between what happened with the Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra), and pocket a cool $10m or whatever the figure was.

Two years later, things aren't working out, sorry Norths but the licence is ours and we are reverting back to the Manly Sea Eagles.

I don't recall there being any reapplication, the point is the licence was Manly's all along and they simply decided to change their name and logo (just like Balmain changed to Sydney Tigers for a while, or Easts becoming the Sydney City Roosters etc).

Anyway, arguing over what happened to the Northern Eagles is pointless, since we all know the facts concerning the NRL licensing agreement with the Wests Tigers.

It can and will happen, if Balmain don't repay the NRL loan and if the Wests group decide to go with it. There wasn't different rules for different JV, end of story. Time started ticking when Balmain took the loan from the NRL, so they have just over a year to repay it. The Wests group won't forget that Balmain never accepted the extended olive branch but chose the NRL instead, and by doing so decided not to keep it in house. Like I said, I fully support the continuation of the WT, but what Balmain did was dirty, they don't get my sympathy and whoever is responsible deserves all the consequences coming there way. Karma is [This word has been automatically removed]. The End.

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It's pretty easy scenario for me , if they leave Wests Tigers as it is ? i will continue to support them , If they change the name to West Magpies and play at Campbelltown Stadium , i will never watch another Rugby League game again. I follow Wests Tigers now not Balmain or Wests.
 
@foreveratiger said:
It's pretty easy scenario for me , if they leave Wests Tigers as it is ? i will continue to support them , If they change the name to West Magpies and play at Campbelltown Stadium , i will never watch another Rugby League game again. I follow Wests Tigers now not Balmain or Wests.

We will never just become Wests or Balmain

We might become the Ipswich ,PNG ,Perth or Wellington Tigers though
 
@happy tiger said:
@foreveratiger said:
It's pretty easy scenario for me , if they leave Wests Tigers as it is ? i will continue to support them , If they change the name to West Magpies and play at Campbelltown Stadium , i will never watch another Rugby League game again. I follow Wests Tigers now not Balmain or Wests.

We will never just become Wests or Balmain

We might become the Ipswich ,PNG ,Perth or Wellington Tigers though

But if the Wests side a financially keeping us viable who is to say they won't change it to Wests Magpies , i suppose they have a right to if they wish there the one's forking out all the money ?
It would be a dumb move in a way they would lose the Balmain Juniors and those players would be swallowed up by Souths and Easts i imagine ? Players like Farah ,Woods , Brooks, Sirro to name a few would be lost to Wests
 
@foreveratiger said:
Stop F@@@ing with people's emotions we have had enough to endure in the past.

Most sensible post in the thread. There's three clubs worth of fans here. A large portion of the old guard from Wests and Balmain have embraced the WT and want to see it continue on. Along with these fans and the new fans who have only ever supported WT, they're messing with a large amount of people. I think Wests Ashfield knows this and if they ever did initiate a takeover, I think you'd find that they are a clever lot and would know that walking away from WT and starting again rather than building on what they have is simply bad business. I think you'd find a lot of people would walk away again if we were rebranded or moved. I'd be one of them.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@foreveratiger said:
Stop F@@@ing with people's emotions we have had enough to endure in the past.

Most sensible post in the thread. There's three clubs worth of fans here. A large portion of the old guard from Wests and Balmain have embraced the WT and want to see it continue on. Along with these fans and the new fans who have only ever supported WT, they're messing with a large amount of people. I think Wests Ashfield knows this and if they ever did initiate a takeover, I think you'd find that they are a clever lot and would know that walking away from WT and starting again rather than building on what they have is simply bad business. I think you'd find a lot of people would walk away again if we were rebranded or moved. I'd be one of them.

x 2 .. absolutely spot on with everything in these posts. instead of factions white-anting the weststigers, get on board or POQ
 
I agree with most. I am a Balmain boy but that's the past - now I embrace the Wests Tigers and am not interested in any of the WESTS vs BALMAIN rubbish - can't everyone see how destructive it is?! Either get on board the WT train or get off and leave us WT fans alone. If you're not happy please go and support someone else, but stop trying to derail us!
 
People really need to stop swearing in posts. I'll just keep deleting them otherwise and warnings will follow if people persist with it.
 
@fibrodreaming said:
I can't believe this issue keeps resurfacing.

We are all Wests Tigers now. There is no going back!

**I agree, be grateful of the past, embrace the present, and plan well for the future, to ensure success**. :exclamation: :sign:
 
@TigerSJ said:
I agree with most. I am a Balmain boy but that's the past - now I embrace the Wests Tigers and am not interested in any of the WESTS vs BALMAIN rubbish - can't everyone see how destructive it is?! Either get on board the WT train or get off and leave us WT fans alone. If you're not happy please go and support someone else, but stop trying to derail us!

I get on here regularly and I have never seen a post that mentions Balmain playing tomorrow or Western Suburbs playing tonight. I do see a lot of posts that discuss topical issues like Balmain directors or Magpie directors who are on the Wests Tigers board. Keep your heads buried.

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@hobbo2803 said:
Bloody oath !
I'm Balmain through & through . The magpies were always a shit team through the decades .
Now I couldn't give a rats arse if Balmain got the punt . If they can't pay there bills get rid of them .
Increase the size of the friggin magpie , shrink the Tiger logo , keep the black strip .
If they wholly want to go with the magpie is say great !
And friggin get on with playing footy FFS !

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You're not Balmain through and through no way

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@Abraham said:
@tigermaniac said:
Abraham first of all I support the WT, and I don't want a return of the Magpies, but stop making up porkies about the NRL confirming ownership, please tell me when I must of missed it, what I can tell you is the precedent was set with the Northern Eagles reverting back to Manly, anything is possible. You did start off well and I agree with all the first things you said and definitely they won't throw 15 years away, but at the same time a return is a possibility if they stupidly decided to go it alone. I hope this clears things up .

Porkies? Shove these porkies up ya clacker:

_Cook (Simon Cook, Wests Ashfield CEO) said Balmain's woes would not affect the future of the Wests Tigers.\
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"Balmain, or Wests [Ashfield] for that matter, are not contracted to the NRL - Wests Tigers are," Cook said. "What Balmain do has no impact on the NRL licence.\
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"**The NRL licence is between the NRL and the Wests Tigers and not the shareholders**. The shareholders are not connected to the licence. From Wests Ashfield perspective it will have no impact on the Wests Tigers."_
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-ashfield-ceo-simon-cook-says-tigers-name-wont-be-replaced-by-magpies-20140319-hvkfo.html#ixzz3AFQr6llN

That license is also coming up for renewal. Why would Wests throw away 15 years of the JV, simple it's cause they have over 108 years as being the Western Suburbs Magpies. Why would Wests Tigers give full control and development of the Junior Rep sides back to Western Suburbs if they weren't planning on bringing back the Magpies to 1st grade. Why all of a sudden is Wests Leagues Campbelltown hosting the RMC presentation night when it's normally at Wests Ashfield? Lots of changes happening and all coming from Western Suburbs. I don't care what Simon cook says to be honest if you believe it then your the fool, Julia Gillard also said that there wasn't going to be a carbon tax and low and behold. These people lie they tell you what you want to hear but in the background they have their own agenda, in case you haven't noticed but the troops are being called to the front lines you just don't see the movements in the background.
 
And now the paranoid hysteria starts!
What Cook said was that as far as Wests are concerned it won't change anything regarding the j/v. If the NRLChange things because Balmains remains a basket case
after the term of the loan, that,s a whole different ball game. How long would you expect the league and Wests to carry the financial load.

There's NO hidden porkies there , just paranoia from Balmains side
They already knew that they wouldn't have a vote until they were financial.
They should shut up and stop the damage they are doing to the club by encouraging more bad publicity towards the club from fools like the telecrap.
Or maybe that's what they want.
They had a chance to do it differently , now BUTT OUT and let the new board get on with sorting out the club
 
My thoughts have already been made. Balmain is a dead man walking.

To the others, I would not mention too much negative about Balmain, the obvious favouritism of the admins towards Balmain will only get your posts deleted and warnings given. Tread carefully…
 
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