Wests Tigers Team v Cowboys Rd 5

[Geo]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

 

[TrueTiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

Quite right GEO but how long has it taken them,Bellamy 15 odd years or so at Melb,Robinson 5/6 years at Rorters all with pretty good quality players as depth as well,it could be an argument that goes on for ages,I was pointing out the youth and not so quality players we have and Madge has been here 2 years....come on mate be fair...

 

[Goldust]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

 

[Russell]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

 

[Moh]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

How do you think Nofo will go at the end of the Roosters backline?

Heck, we even saw how Jennings went at the end of a lethal Rabbitohs backline.

A large part of it is the players around them.

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

How do you think Nofo will go at the end of the Roosters backline?

Heck, we even saw how Jennings went at the end of a lethal Rabbitohs backline.

A large part of it is the players around them.

It often happens the other way around. Players look good in the storm system and go to other clubs and fail. All it comes down to is turning into a club players want to be at which is easier said than done

 

[happy_tiger]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

Roosters
Penrith
Eagles
Rabbits
Storm
Eels

 

[gallagher]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

Roosters
Penrith
Eagles
Rabbits
Storm
Eels

Holy crap. Always next year

 

[happy_tiger]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

Roosters
Penrith
Eagles
Rabbits
Storm
Eels

Holy crap. Always next year

Why I was saying we need to win 8 of our next 10 ......best case one win from our last 6 .....

 

[colinbh]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

Well said.

 

[Goldust]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

Roosters
Penrith
Eagles
Rabbits
Storm
Eels

Not wrong happy,that is very rough

 

[JC99]

Gonna have to be in a good spot before those finals 6 rounds as we will be lucky to win 2 of them. Then again if we make finals we play those teams anyway

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

Roosters
Penrith
Eagles
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on the positive side, we usually lift, and play our best against the 'quality' sides, I would be more concerned if we play Dogs, Titans, Cowboys, St George, Sharks!:relieved:

 

[sleeve]

Hope Hoffman gets a run,in place of Taiau.Re Brooks form its always the half that gets blamed .Recent history of targets-DCE ,Johnson,Hunt,Taylor,Millfor,Taylor etc etc.Note when the sides are losing its the 6 or 7 thats the cause,.--Maybe the reason is the sides are just playing badly?

 

[TheDaBoss]

I think it’s good that we flopped early
2018 ,2019 we started strong then had a mid to late season slump with a frantic race to try and make the finals.
Hopefully the ghouls have been found of nice and early

The problem is our run home

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to easy mate 😀

 

[Tim Sheens]

We basically played the dreaded Taylor Ball on the weekend, in another second season of coaching by the incumbent, in potentially our ninth successive year of not playing finals footy, currently sitting ninth once again and some are saying we should just accept that as our fate as we are rebuilding.

If Maguire is half as good as many on here think/thought him to be, then WT should be playing the first week of finals at the bare minimum. He says that he has assembled a capable squad that he believes in, so it is up to him to carry out his remit, with failure not an option in these circumstances.

Definitely no pass mark from my end if we don't make the eight!

 

[TheDaBoss]

At this point he’s tried everyone anyway so there’s no ‘experimenting’ really.

Isn't that the very definition of experimenting?

Dropping players for not performing isn’t experimenting lol that’s just good coaching. You wanna keep guys in the team who aren’t good enough?

No, but again, isn't it the coaches job to know what players are good enough? It's not like the guys that got dropped (Seyfarth, Clark, Jennings) were playing below their best. They just weren't good to begin with.

Clark had plenty of good games last year and Seyfarth was on debut so you can’t really say they weren’t good enough to begin with. It’s not like the other options played any better so he played the guys who worked the hardest for The spot.

Clark was not very good at all last year and Seyfarth wasn't too flash even in CC.

Clark was solid last year. Seyfarth worked his as off to earn his spot over guys who came back from iso who weren’t as fit. Now Musgrove is fit again he’s playing

Clark is a total plodder, so is Seyfarth.

i see more potential in Seyfarth than Clark

Beer goggles ?

what a unBEARable comment

 

[PabloX]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

 

[JC99]

We basically played the dreaded Taylor Ball on the weekend, in another second season of coaching by the incumbent, in potentially our ninth successive year of not playing finals footy, currently sitting ninth once again and some are saying we should just accept that as our fate as we are rebuilding.

If Maguire is half as good as many on here think/thought him to be, then WT should be playing the first week of finals at the bare minimum. He says that he has assembled a capable squad that he believes in, so it is up to him to carry out his remit, with failure not an option in these circumstances.

Definitely no pass mark from my end if we don't make the eight!

Our team ain’t even close to the top teams on paper yet. Madge hasn’t had much salary cap to work with at all either. We could sneak into 8th but I won’t be too upset if we don’t.