Wests Tigers trying to lure $400m car baron Neville Crichton to Concord

[happy_tiger]

Someone obviously wants a Masarati

 

[happy_tiger]

People wanting to compare this bloke to Politis or whoever in fact need to realize the biggest strength of the Roosters is nothing ever leaks

Grand Final week the manage to keep the real extent of Cronk's injury quiet ....apart from maybe Melbourne what other club could do that

WT's in the same boat .....you'd have heard the story from 4 different sources

 

[Furious1]

Would be a big win for the club. Hard to knock any initiative that brings wealth, business acumen and broader networks into the club. Interesting that Pascoe is quoted in the media about it seemingly before any agreement is across the line though.

Surprised me also that this is a story, particularly when it's far from over the line.

 

[boonboon]

I dont want private ownership by anyone. However pieces where we get more rich people involved are of great value.

Some eexamples im this case - the club is able under the cap to provide 5 players with cars on top of contracts - 5 players getting 300k Maseratis is much more attractive then 5 protons. Other players will be able to find some amazing deals on cars which are legit but not everyone could find

Then he can provide business and invesment advice to players and also opportunites for future careers, contacts but also builds up your network of contacts for your other sponsors.

Obviously then he can sponsor the club but also to arrange for his contacts or suppliers to look at areas where they could tpa a player more so then him directly.

Anyone who doesent think a player looking for an investment property though currently doesent get a great deal through Harry (i mean legut but best price).

 

[supercoach]

Anything that has one B Ellis involved in needs very careful consideration and any doubt it needs to be avoided

 

[diedpretty]

@Tiger_Steve if he’s on the board can’t help with TPA’s - which is where we need help. Shouldn’t sell board seats to a dogs sponsor anyway

Exactly and as usual we tell all and sundry we want this guy as a sponsor which also rules him out . I'm all for getting rich backers behind the club but why announce it to all and sundry.

 

[Fitzy05]

@jadtiger
Barry has a lot on his plate. I’m not sure where he ranks WestsTigers in his list of priorities ?
He is currently President and Independent Board Chair of Diabetes Australia, Chair of the Wests Tigers and CEO of Racing Australia.
I have heard him on the radio talk about the Racing Industry recently.

 

[jadtiger]

@jadtiger
Barry has a lot on his plate. I’m not sure where he ranks WestsTigers in his list of priorities ?
He is currently President and Independent Board Chair of Diabetes Australia, Chair of the Wests Tigers and CEO of Racing Australia.
I have heard him on the radio talk about the Racing Industry recently.

Then maybe it is time to appoint a chairman who does put the club first and foremost and not as a hobby

 

[cochise]

Then maybe it is time to appoint a chairman who does put the club first and foremost and not as a hobby

Who would that be? Board positions like this are not someone's primary focus!

 

[momo_amp_medo]

@TYGA no joke . What happened to Harry?

Just repeating what I mentioned in other post on this ...I recall Harry said at the time that he really got put out when he was not approached to be involved in redevelopment proposals of the site. Pretty much walked away all major financial support since then. Pity and if J Cars reported proposal, regarding investment in return for greater say in running the club, was also rejected ..... then we have lost two heavy hitters we desperately need on board. Very unfortunate if true.

 

[cochise]

if J Cars reported proposal, regarding investment in return for greater say in running the club, was also rejected … then we have lost two heavy hitters we desperately need on board. Very unfortunate if true.

Though we do not know what they were offering or asking for? Maybe they wanted control of naming the side or where the side would play, maybe they wanted all signings to be approved by them. How much of your soul do you sell for that pot of gold?

 

[jirskyr]

I fully understand what you are saying but is the status quo working for us at the moment? Or has it been a success in the past?The answer in not a positive one in my mind and we need to shake it up.Before our JV neither club was a massive success and we need to turn it around,imo drastic measures are called for.There is no doubt someone like Tinkler would be a total disaster for us (Clive Palmer would be even worse) but a new direction is required

No the status quo isn't working, but the big question mark is whether that lack of success is on the Board level or not. Nobody is going to turn down money, the real question is how much independence do you have to give up to get that money?

Fundamentally, Wests can pay the bills. So there's no desperation to give power away. We also haven't managed to keep a coach for more than 2 full seasons since Sheens left, which is really something we need to figure out first and foremost.

Then in terms of "doing it a better way", it's kind of like a troubled relationship with your spouse. You know it's not working great, but you can't just say "please change for our joint benefit". You can't necessarily just introduce outside influence and achieve new success.

When compared to Roosters, as a model of success, Uncle Nick clearly knows what he is doing and is worth a fortune, but Roosters have essentially become his personal brand. Fans don't care about that branding because Roosters are successful, but that isn't always the case when rich guys throw their money around. Maybe we could have our own wealthy deal-broker who creates sustained success, but also, we could have an unmitigated disaster too, esp if the business person is a fly-by-night type.

Will Maserati guy give his money and energies to Tigers for 30 years like Nick has?

Uncle Nick has been Roosters Chair since 1993 and it needs to be noted that in that time, Roosters make the finals 63% of the time (17/27), with 8 GF appearances and 4 premierships, 1 wooden spoon. It's a good record and I'd take it in a heartbeat, but it's not nearly the best going around and shows that businessmen powerbrokers aren't everything. Roosters overall record is also heavily driven by 3 premierships in the last 7 years, meaning prior to 2013 they were just over 50% finals appearances (11/20), with 1 win from 5 grand finals appearances. So prior to 2013 (Nick's first 20 years), their record was much more modest.

In comparison, Storm have 68% finals appearance rate (5 less seasons) even when you are excluding the 2006-2009 seasons where they were docked minor premierships / premierships (86% if you include those cheat years!!!). This includes 6 GF appearances and 3 legitimate premierships, 1 wooden spoon.

Question mark of course whether the Storm are unlucky to have been found to have cheated, with rescinded premierships, whilst other successful clubs have not been caught. Wink wink Sharks and Roosters.

Broncos since 1993 are 93% finals appearances, with 6 GF appearances and 5 premierships, 0 wooden spoons.

I would argue that Storm and Broncos, as two other successful models, are not so much like the Roosters, with much more discreet financial backing (News Ltd obviously helps) and consolidated by some all-time great, very long-term coaches. Not that Trent Robinson isn't already on his way, but I'd argue that Storm and Broncos have relied much more heavily on the ability of Bellamy and Bennett than Roosters so far on Trent Robinson.

Ultimately I'd say there are two ways about it - you get these financiers in and gradually build the off-field brand and financial capacity of the club, or you get on-field experts (e.g. head coach) who generate success and the money flows thereafter. In both scenarios, the club doesn't necessarily have to give power to the business backers, the way the Roosters have to Uncle Nick.

 

[jirskyr]

Then maybe it is time to appoint a chairman who does put the club first and foremost and not as a hobby

Who would that be? Board positions like this are not someone's primary focus!

They'd rather someone who does nothing but be Wests Tigers chairperson, even though the role doesn't require a full-time worker? Someone less connected than BOF?

Did Marina Go stop working on her media business whilst chairing Tigers?

 

[jirskyr]

if J Cars reported proposal, regarding investment in return for greater say in running the club, was also rejected … then we have lost two heavy hitters we desperately need on board. Very unfortunate if true.

Though we do not know what they were offering or asking for? Maybe they wanted control of naming the side or where the side would play, maybe they wanted all signings to be approved by them. How much of your soul do you sell for that pot of gold?

I remember Mad Dog MacDougall retelling a story of Rusty Crowe coming to training and telling him what lines he should be running etc. And Mad Dog says, thanks mate, I know we are a crap side but what do you know about professional footy.

Since then Rusty has evidently found his place in the Rabbits organisation, and he wasn't the owner back then, and clearly has had a lifelong passion for Rabbits. Blokes like Harry T, would they really invest that much time and passion in Tigers? I don't know Harry T personally, I've seen him at Leichhardt Oval, but he's a discreet supporter.

And this Maserati guy, All Blacks enthusiast, sounds like he'd be a very very recent convert to the Tigers cause, nothing like Rusty or Uncle Nick.

 

[cktiger]

@Tiger_Steve if he’s on the board can’t help with TPA’s - which is where we need help. Shouldn’t sell board seats to a dogs sponsor anyway

Exactly and as usual we tell all and sundry we want this guy as a sponsor which also rules him out . I'm all for getting rich backers behind the club but why announce it to all and sundry.

You mean like Uncle Nick, the chair of the Roosters, who doesn't help with TPA's?

 

[Snake]

@jadtiger Yep had one of those .... unfortunately shown the door with knives in the back !

 

[Snake]

@Wounded_magpie Change is something the board of the club never utter in their meetings ... these guys will never move on as there agendas are so well entrenched .. why do you think the club has multi grounds “ agendas “.
The club had a Chairperson that was motivated and engaged with its supporter base look what happened there . The appointment of the failed politician was the icing on the cake and just reinforced how change will
never happen ... there has to be a refresh at board level as there is a few there that have been there way to long ! But do not hope for that happening anytime soon , these guys can not even make a decision on a home ground realistically that decision alone is not a hard one for god sake it’s been 2 decades .
It is well a good that many here think the club does not need more money but the fact remains TPA’s are the winning edge that is required as shown by the successful clubs .... so let’s keep out the money types that is scary to many !

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont want private ownership by anyone. However pieces where we get more rich people involved are of great value.

Some eexamples im this case - the club is able under the cap to provide 5 players with cars on top of contracts - 5 players getting 300k Maseratis is much more attractive then 5 protons. Other players will be able to find some amazing deals on cars which are legit but not everyone could find

Then he can provide business and invesment advice to players and also opportunites for future careers, contacts but also builds up your network of contacts for your other sponsors.

Obviously then he can sponsor the club but also to arrange for his contacts or suppliers to look at areas where they could tpa a player more so then him directly.

Anyone who doesent think a player looking for an investment property though currently doesent get a great deal through Harry (i mean legut but best price).

I think from memory the maximum value of any car is $ 30 k

 

[WT2K]

I dont want private ownership by anyone. However pieces where we get more rich people involved are of great value.

Some eexamples im this case - the club is able under the cap to provide 5 players with cars on top of contracts - 5 players getting 300k Maseratis is much more attractive then 5 protons. Other players will be able to find some amazing deals on cars which are legit but not everyone could find

Then he can provide business and invesment advice to players and also opportunites for future careers, contacts but also builds up your network of contacts for your other sponsors.

Obviously then he can sponsor the club but also to arrange for his contacts or suppliers to look at areas where they could tpa a player more so then him directly.

Anyone who doesent think a player looking for an investment property though currently doesent get a great deal through Harry (i mean legut but best price).

I think from memory the maximum value of any car is $ 30 k

Pretty close, happy. Just looked it up.

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

 

[cktiger]

I dont want private ownership by anyone. However pieces where we get more rich people involved are of great value.

Some eexamples im this case - the club is able under the cap to provide 5 players with cars on top of contracts - 5 players getting 300k Maseratis is much more attractive then 5 protons. Other players will be able to find some amazing deals on cars which are legit but not everyone could find

Then he can provide business and invesment advice to players and also opportunites for future careers, contacts but also builds up your network of contacts for your other sponsors.

Obviously then he can sponsor the club but also to arrange for his contacts or suppliers to look at areas where they could tpa a player more so then him directly.

Anyone who doesent think a player looking for an investment property though currently doesent get a great deal through Harry (i mean legut but best price).

I think from memory the maximum value of any car is $ 30 k

Pretty close, happy. Just looked it up.

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

No problems when we had Proton sponsor us!