Wests Tigers - Who are we..

[mikey]

We are in the black because we get a grant from a Leagues Club and spend less than other teams on the football department, want to stay small than play in small grounds.

A big ground doesn't make you big - small venue doesnt make you small.

Success on the other hand does help you to grow - and that is our major problem. That problem wasn't caused by a venue but a series of endless internal problems and bad decisions over time.

Yes, money is a necessity in a professional sport but the argument a big ground will get us there doesn't quite equate to me.

Apart from Suncorp those large stadiums rarely have a large crowd - if anything it makes league look bad and is an indication of a game selling its soul.

Older grounds don't give you the facilities to maximise that the return on that success. We are already spending less than other clubs.

Do you have stats to support either of those points?
I watch a lot of games but it is only on the very rare occasion that a suburban ground gets sold out - bigger venues virtually never, even for finals.
We clearly have different viewpoints on this - respect yours but beg to differ.

We average higher crowds at stadiums and stadiums have better corporate facilities. We also don't spend to the level of the new football cap.

Source: https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html

To be fair, these stats can't be sorted the way I would like to and I am cherrypicking but -
Leichardt av.- 12,837
Campbelltown av. - 11,931
Bankwest av. - 9,588

I didn't include the SFS, SCG, or ANZ because semi-final stats would boost their averages - as much as I can I picked 'suburban' grounds as these are possibly truer stats - once again, I can't sort the stats as I would like so they may be distorted.
If anyone has a better source please share.

Did you eliminate stats for this year?

TBH - not sure . As I stated in my last post, I can't sort them as I would have liked.
I'm happy to be proven wrong - what evidence do you have to support your belief?

 

[Furious1]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

 

[mikey]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Some good points re kids wanting to play for their local club. Success ala the brief 2005 and 2009 - 2011 period is necessary for their becoming fans.
Still not convinced we need on ehome ground - history is important in establishing tradition.

 

[crazycat]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Totally agreed.

We need our home turf and our home ground.

It is not leichardt or the inner city. We will just loose players there to the Bunnies and Chooks.

It is Campbelltown and the south-west.

The sad thing is (I believe) we have rolled back Wests Magpies juniors. We could have kept the Magpies strong and built on the Magpies base around Campbelltown area. We should be using this area as our Junior basin as Penrith is using the Mountains and beyond for their basin. Yes even if our main team remains in the city, even if we pick Homebush as our home stadium. We need that Junior Campbelltown path.

It's either that or we will be the Western Australian Tigers.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Home is just whever you lay your hat. Parra, Homebush or SFS would do but it has to be full-time.

But why? The Dragons don't seem to mind playing at Kogarah and Wollongong.

I honestly don't see what is wrong with splitting games, especially when we have a geographically diverse fan base.

Tell me why a club would have 3 venues in one city?


I don’t know mate. It sounds as stupid as having different colours and design on playing gear each week.

Yeah, we're not a club. A cliche, product, gimmick who knows what the hell we are. Maybe just a joke

We are the West Ham of the NRL
Not good enough to win the comp
Not bad enough to finish last

Or if you don’t follow the EPL where just a feeder club

Forever blowing bubbles
the Hammers of the NRL

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Totally agreed.

We need our home turf and our home ground.

It is not leichardt or the inner city. We will just loose players there to the Bunnies and Chooks.

It is Campbelltown and the south-west.

The sad thing is (I believe) we have rolled back Wests Magpies juniors. We could have kept the Magpies strong and built on the Magpies base around Campbelltown area. We should be using this area as our Junior basin as Penrith is using the Mountains and beyond for their basin. Yes even if our main team remains in the city, even if we pick Homebush as our home stadium. We need that Junior Campbelltown path.

It's either that or we will be the Western Australian Tigers.

You need to service all areas, concord inner west and also Campbletown. We are in the perfect position two good school teams and nurseries in Holy Cross and St Greg's. We have a COE coming at concord once we have that we have a strong training base.

If we could have relied on just Campbelltown area then Magpies would never have had to merge, same as Balmain at the time. We need both areas firing in order to succeed. If we let one area go then we lose fan base regardless.

Souths and east's hopefully take the new stadium and us and the dogs take ANZ what we need is the Rozelle club and license to be able to be moved to near ANZ have a mini club and capture that entire homebuilt area perhaps Meriton can assist with that

 

[happy_tiger]

Home is just whever you lay your hat. Parra, Homebush or SFS would do but it has to be full-time.

But why? The Dragons don't seem to mind playing at Kogarah and Wollongong.

I honestly don't see what is wrong with splitting games, especially when we have a geographically diverse fan base.

Tell me why a club would have 3 venues in one city?


I don’t know mate. It sounds as stupid as having different colours and design on playing gear each week.

Yeah, we're not a club. A cliche, product, gimmick who knows what the hell we are. Maybe just a joke

We are the West Ham of the NRL
Not good enough to win the comp
Not bad enough to finish last

Or if you don’t follow the EPL where just a feeder club

Forever blowing bubbles
the Hammers of the NRL

are we talking about side that came from 3-0 to draw v Squirts and until their best player went down lead man city comfortably ...that team ...the one with the hardest draw over the 1st 7 rounds

 

[hobbo1]

Home is just whever you lay your hat. Parra, Homebush or SFS would do but it has to be full-time.

But why? The Dragons don't seem to mind playing at Kogarah and Wollongong.

I honestly don't see what is wrong with splitting games, especially when we have a geographically diverse fan base.

Tell me why a club would have 3 venues in one city?


I don’t know mate. It sounds as stupid as having different colours and design on playing gear each week.

Yeah, we're not a club. A cliche, product, gimmick who knows what the hell we are. Maybe just a joke

We are the West Ham of the NRL
Not good enough to win the comp
Not bad enough to finish last

Or if you don’t follow the EPL where just a feeder club

Forever blowing bubbles
the Hammers of the NRL

are we talking about side that came from 3-0 to draw v Squirts and until their best player went down lead man city comfortably ...that team ...the one with the hardest draw over the 1st 7 rounds

You know Wham will die in the arse ...
It’s a given .

 

[happy_tiger]

Home is just whever you lay your hat. Parra, Homebush or SFS would do but it has to be full-time.

But why? The Dragons don't seem to mind playing at Kogarah and Wollongong.

I honestly don't see what is wrong with splitting games, especially when we have a geographically diverse fan base.

Tell me why a club would have 3 venues in one city?


I don’t know mate. It sounds as stupid as having different colours and design on playing gear each week.

Yeah, we're not a club. A cliche, product, gimmick who knows what the hell we are. Maybe just a joke

We are the West Ham of the NRL
Not good enough to win the comp
Not bad enough to finish last

Or if you don’t follow the EPL where just a feeder club

Forever blowing bubbles
the Hammers of the NRL

are we talking about side that came from 3-0 to draw v Squirts and until their best player went down lead man city comfortably ...that team ...the one with the hardest draw over the 1st 7 rounds

You know Wham will die in the arse ...
It’s a given .

well your mob of squirters couldn't beat that side

be embarassed ...very embarassed ......

 

[cochise]

We are in the black because we get a grant from a Leagues Club and spend less than other teams on the football department, want to stay small than play in small grounds.

A big ground doesn't make you big - small venue doesnt make you small.

Success on the other hand does help you to grow - and that is our major problem. That problem wasn't caused by a venue but a series of endless internal problems and bad decisions over time.

Yes, money is a necessity in a professional sport but the argument a big ground will get us there doesn't quite equate to me.

Apart from Suncorp those large stadiums rarely have a large crowd - if anything it makes league look bad and is an indication of a game selling its soul.

Older grounds don't give you the facilities to maximise that the return on that success. We are already spending less than other clubs.

Do you have stats to support either of those points?
I watch a lot of games but it is only on the very rare occasion that a suburban ground gets sold out - bigger venues virtually never, even for finals.
We clearly have different viewpoints on this - respect yours but beg to differ.

We average higher crowds at stadiums and stadiums have better corporate facilities. We also don't spend to the level of the new football cap.

Source: https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html

To be fair, these stats can't be sorted the way I would like to and I am cherrypicking but -
Leichardt av.- 12,837
Campbelltown av. - 11,931
Bankwest av. - 9,588

I didn't include the SFS, SCG, or ANZ because semi-final stats would boost their averages - as much as I can I picked 'suburban' grounds as these are possibly truer stats - once again, I can't sort the stats as I would like so they may be distorted.
If anyone has a better source please share.

Did you eliminate stats for this year?

TBH - not sure . As I stated in my last post, I can't sort them as I would have liked.
I'm happy to be proven wrong - what evidence do you have to support your belief?

ANZ Average 22245
SFS Average 18332
Bankwest 2019 Average 15109
Leichhardt Average 12837
Campbelltown Average 11931

It's not a belief, it is a fact.

 

[Snake]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Totally agreed.

We need our home turf and our home ground.

It is not leichardt or the inner city. We will just loose players there to the Bunnies and Chooks.

It is Campbelltown and the south-west.

The sad thing is (I believe) we have rolled back Wests Magpies juniors. We could have kept the Magpies strong and built on the Magpies base around Campbelltown area. We should be using this area as our Junior basin as Penrith is using the Mountains and beyond for their basin. Yes even if our main team remains in the city, even if we pick Homebush as our home stadium. We need that Junior Campbelltown path.

It's either that or we will be the Western Australian Tigers.

You need to service all areas, concord inner west and also Campbletown. We are in the perfect position two good school teams and nurseries in Holy Cross and St Greg's. We have a COE coming at concord once we have that we have a strong training base.

If we could have relied on just Campbelltown area then Magpies would never have had to merge, same as Balmain at the time. We need both areas firing in order to succeed. If we let one area go then we lose fan base regardless.

Souths and east's hopefully take the new stadium and us and the dogs take ANZ what we need is the Rozelle club and license to be able to be moved to near ANZ have a mini club and capture that entire homebuilt area perhaps Meriton can assist with that

There is a club 10 mins from ANZ but as with everything that’s wrong with this club you would not even know it was there! A true and sad reality of what this club is all about mediocre!

 

[Tiger5150]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Totally agreed.

We need our home turf and our home ground.

It is not leichardt or the inner city. We will just loose players there to the Bunnies and Chooks.

It is Campbelltown and the south-west.

The sad thing is (I believe) we have rolled back Wests Magpies juniors. We could have kept the Magpies strong and built on the Magpies base around Campbelltown area. We should be using this area as our Junior basin as Penrith is using the Mountains and beyond for their basin. Yes even if our main team remains in the city, even if we pick Homebush as our home stadium. We need that Junior Campbelltown path.

It's either that or we will be the Western Australian Tigers.

You need to service all areas, concord inner west and also Campbletown. We are in the perfect position two good school teams and nurseries in Holy Cross and St Greg's. We have a COE coming at concord once we have that we have a strong training base.

If we could have relied on just Campbelltown area then Magpies would never have had to merge, same as Balmain at the time. We need both areas firing in order to succeed. If we let one area go then we lose fan base regardless.

Souths and east's hopefully take the new stadium and us and the dogs take ANZ what we need is the Rozelle club and license to be able to be moved to near ANZ have a mini club and capture that entire homebuilt area perhaps Meriton can assist with that

There is a club 10 mins from ANZ but as with everything that’s wrong with this club you would not even know it was there! A true and sad reality of what this club is all about mediocre!

If you are talking about Tigers Flemington, its closed

 

[cochise]

I think that the club should take their loyal fans a lot more seriously. Listen honestly to what they think and how they believe the club should achieve it. If a club just eliminates the fans from all their dealings then that club is on a downward spiral.

If this forum is an example then no way should the club take any notice of a bunch of nuffies like us. Doing so would ensure the club went the way of the Dodo.


If we don’t stop trudging all over the country side as Rugby Leagues nomads we may still go the way of the Dodo

. . So do you suggest one home ground, like fortress Leichhardt ? what benefit is that ? It's woefully out of date, parking and travel are a pleasure. We have far more pressing issues than how many different parks we play out of.

Yes, we have a lot of pressing issues but this one could be fixed now.

But what would it fix ? like, genuinely fix . . . apart from some blokes on here that can't seem to let go of selective tradition ?

It would give us a home. Not living 4 months at mums, 4 months at dad's and 4 months in a rental. We're 21 time to grow up.
We're not a club atm , we can't let go of Wests and Balmain.

Perfectly stated. Further to that, maybe by having one ground all our members come to one ground creating a better atmosphere instead of splitting them between 3 grounds.

And when it comes to identity, I've lived in the Penrith area for over 10 years, Parramatta before that. One thing that comes through loud and clear in both is the juniors and kids in those areas WANT to play for their local club. Kids in Brisbane WANT to play for the Broncos. Their dreams are to run onto Parra Stadium/Bankwest , Panthers Stadium or Suncorp representing those clubs. If you went to the most important part of our catchment ( the southwest) imo you would struggle to get 50% of the kids with a dream to play for Wests Tigers. Of course there are some, but our club has dropped the ball big time. There's no particular passion for the Wests Tigers (in those areas) and that's because they don't identify with us. We don't represent anything but mediocrity and struggle with our own identity. Apparently we have a rich history and culture though according to some which has done wonders over the last decade.

Totally agreed.

We need our home turf and our home ground.

It is not leichardt or the inner city. We will just loose players there to the Bunnies and Chooks.

It is Campbelltown and the south-west.

The sad thing is (I believe) we have rolled back Wests Magpies juniors. We could have kept the Magpies strong and built on the Magpies base around Campbelltown area. We should be using this area as our Junior basin as Penrith is using the Mountains and beyond for their basin. Yes even if our main team remains in the city, even if we pick Homebush as our home stadium. We need that Junior Campbelltown path.

It's either that or we will be the Western Australian Tigers.

You need to service all areas, concord inner west and also Campbletown. We are in the perfect position two good school teams and nurseries in Holy Cross and St Greg's. We have a COE coming at concord once we have that we have a strong training base.

If we could have relied on just Campbelltown area then Magpies would never have had to merge, same as Balmain at the time. We need both areas firing in order to succeed. If we let one area go then we lose fan base regardless.

Souths and east's hopefully take the new stadium and us and the dogs take ANZ what we need is the Rozelle club and license to be able to be moved to near ANZ have a mini club and capture that entire homebuilt area perhaps Meriton can assist with that

There is a club 10 mins from ANZ but as with everything that’s wrong with this club you would not even know it was there! A true and sad reality of what this club is all about mediocre!


If you are talking about Tigers Flemington, its closed

No its not

 

[Tiger5150]

When I went past on Friday it was

 

[cochise]

When I went past on Friday it was

Five Dock closed, Flemington is still open and operated by Wests Ashfield. http://www.tigers.org.au/index.php/venues/sydney-markets/

 

[Tiger5150]

Im telling you on FRiday it was closed and didnt look like opening,

http://www.tigers.org.au/index.php/category/events/sydney-markets-events/

 

[cochise]

Im telling you on FRiday it was closed and didnt look like opening,

http://www.tigers.org.au/index.php/category/events/sydney-markets-events/

I just called them, they are open?

 

[Snake]

When I went past on Friday it was

Open ... my point ! Great way to run a business most think it’s closed 😂😂probably 500 k cars pass there every day on parramatta rd and you would not know it’s there! As I say mediocre.

 

[mikey]

We are in the black because we get a grant from a Leagues Club and spend less than other teams on the football department, want to stay small than play in small grounds.

A big ground doesn't make you big - small venue doesnt make you small.

Success on the other hand does help you to grow - and that is our major problem. That problem wasn't caused by a venue but a series of endless internal problems and bad decisions over time.

Yes, money is a necessity in a professional sport but the argument a big ground will get us there doesn't quite equate to me.

Apart from Suncorp those large stadiums rarely have a large crowd - if anything it makes league look bad and is an indication of a game selling its soul.

Older grounds don't give you the facilities to maximise that the return on that success. We are already spending less than other clubs.

Do you have stats to support either of those points?
I watch a lot of games but it is only on the very rare occasion that a suburban ground gets sold out - bigger venues virtually never, even for finals.
We clearly have different viewpoints on this - respect yours but beg to differ.

We average higher crowds at stadiums and stadiums have better corporate facilities. We also don't spend to the level of the new football cap.

Source: https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html

To be fair, these stats can't be sorted the way I would like to and I am cherrypicking but -
Leichardt av.- 12,837
Campbelltown av. - 11,931
Bankwest av. - 9,588

I didn't include the SFS, SCG, or ANZ because semi-final stats would boost their averages - as much as I can I picked 'suburban' grounds as these are possibly truer stats - once again, I can't sort the stats as I would like so they may be distorted.
If anyone has a better source please share.

Did you eliminate stats for this year?

TBH - not sure . As I stated in my last post, I can't sort them as I would have liked.
I'm happy to be proven wrong - what evidence do you have to support your belief?

ANZ Average 22245
SFS Average 18332
Bankwest 2019 Average 15109
Leichhardt Average 12837
Campbelltown Average 11931

It's not a belief, it is a fact.

You've probably taken the same stats that I've used and provided the link for but chosen to ignore the disclaimers I put in my post to concede they may be flawed and instead tabled them as cold irrefutable facts.

You're the winner if that makes you feel better.

Trouble is you have ignored my point in that we don't need a big ground to be pprofitable.

 

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We are in the black because we get a grant from a Leagues Club and spend less than other teams on the football department, want to stay small than play in small grounds.

A big ground doesn't make you big - small venue doesnt make you small.

Success on the other hand does help you to grow - and that is our major problem. That problem wasn't caused by a venue but a series of endless internal problems and bad decisions over time.

Yes, money is a necessity in a professional sport but the argument a big ground will get us there doesn't quite equate to me.

Apart from Suncorp those large stadiums rarely have a large crowd - if anything it makes league look bad and is an indication of a game selling its soul.

Older grounds don't give you the facilities to maximise that the return on that success. We are already spending less than other clubs.

Do you have stats to support either of those points?
I watch a lot of games but it is only on the very rare occasion that a suburban ground gets sold out - bigger venues virtually never, even for finals.
We clearly have different viewpoints on this - respect yours but beg to differ.

We average higher crowds at stadiums and stadiums have better corporate facilities. We also don't spend to the level of the new football cap.

Source: https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html

To be fair, these stats can't be sorted the way I would like to and I am cherrypicking but -
Leichardt av.- 12,837
Campbelltown av. - 11,931
Bankwest av. - 9,588

I didn't include the SFS, SCG, or ANZ because semi-final stats would boost their averages - as much as I can I picked 'suburban' grounds as these are possibly truer stats - once again, I can't sort the stats as I would like so they may be distorted.
If anyone has a better source please share.

Did you eliminate stats for this year?

TBH - not sure . As I stated in my last post, I can't sort them as I would have liked.
I'm happy to be proven wrong - what evidence do you have to support your belief?

ANZ Average 22245
SFS Average 18332
Bankwest 2019 Average 15109
Leichhardt Average 12837
Campbelltown Average 11931

It's not a belief, it is a fact.


You've probably taken the same stats that I've used and provided the link for but chosen to ignore the disclaimers I put in my post to concede they may be flawed and instead tabled them as cold irrefutable facts.

You're the winner if that makes you feel better.

Trouble is you have ignored my point in that we don't need a big ground to be pprofitable.

Your disclaimers were wrong, the averages are for home regular season games only. You also provided vastly compromised averages by including this years games for Bankwest which means half the games you included for that ground were during reduced capacity for covid.

Your use of the stats were at best misleading, at worse dishonest.

We do not make as much money at the suburban grounds, that is why we play at the stadiums.

They are cold irrefutable facts.