What can be done to help Madge

[Red88_Tiger]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Does the Coach need a Coach?

Was thinking some sort of motivator but not a full time role

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Alright here it goes (I would do this prior to the season)

* First I would get all of the old boys from both Balmain and Wests to their favoured areas
(Wests = Campbelltown Oval, Balmain = Leichardt Oval)

* Secondly, gather all the players on the bus and head to one area at a time (example, drive to Campbelltown first, Leichardt Second and Concord last.

* Ensure the clubhouses are decked out in a "Premiership" type of way, with club colours, balloon's and everything you could possibly think, make it premiership like which shocks people.

* Have the boys walk into the club, shake hands with the greats of each desired clubs and talk about the History , the toughness, resilience and desire to wear the jersey, what it means to play NRL and pretty much their club level stories and times they came across hard times and good times..

* Once the boys have went to both of the foundation clubs, they make their way to Concord or wherever you want to place the Wests TIgers clubhouse.. - here you will have the likes of everyone, both Balmain, Magpies and Wests Tigers players gathered to talk about the club in even more depth, food and drinks and go from there.

I could keep going and going, but you get it.

Really, the TEAM needs to be ONE.

We have a rich history that needs to be echoed and we need to ACT like a premiership TEAM.

If this means decking out the change rooms before each game to ensure that this is WHAT the club is about then do that..

just need to show everyone, even the players especially, this is the Wests Tigers that has over 100 years of history behind us with a new face of Wests Tigers.

Mate. Your post is fantastic. Exactly the sort of ideas I wanted to read

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

We need a recruitment break.
2-3 top class players will see a big change.

 

[2005magic]

Purchase a leader and organiser for on the field. No matter what is practiced during the week it all goes pear shaped when put against a real opposing team that is organised and knows what they're doing. Its so blatantly obvious we are a rabble when on the field playing for points- no structure in A/D, no rallying, no heart and little passion eg no extra drive to run down the ball / opposing player.

 

[frullens]

Alright here it goes (I would do this prior to the season)

* First I would get all of the old boys from both Balmain and Wests to their favoured areas
(Wests = Campbelltown Oval, Balmain = Leichardt Oval)

* Secondly, gather all the players on the bus and head to one area at a time (example, drive to Campbelltown first, Leichardt Second and Concord last.

* Ensure the clubhouses are decked out in a "Premiership" type of way, with club colours, balloon's and everything you could possibly think, make it premiership like which shocks people.

* Have the boys walk into the club, shake hands with the greats of each desired clubs and talk about the History , the toughness, resilience and desire to wear the jersey, what it means to play NRL and pretty much their club level stories and times they came across hard times and good times..

* Once the boys have went to both of the foundation clubs, they make their way to Concord or wherever you want to place the Wests TIgers clubhouse.. - here you will have the likes of everyone, both Balmain, Magpies and Wests Tigers players gathered to talk about the club in even more depth, food and drinks and go from there.

I could keep going and going, but you get it.

Really, the TEAM needs to be ONE.

We have a rich history that needs to be echoed and we need to ACT like a premiership TEAM.

If this means decking out the change rooms before each game to ensure that this is WHAT the club is about then do that..

just need to show everyone, even the players especially, this is the Wests Tigers that has over 100 years of history behind us with a new face of Wests Tigers.

Love this!

I am so proud that my pa played for wests in 1952 when we won the premiership. That's why I love the club.

I'm sure everyone has their own story and connection to the club.

Players need that emotional connection to something bigger that the top 30 squad.



We have a rich history that should be celebrated

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Purchase a leader and organiser for on the field. No matter what is practiced during the week it all goes pear shaped when put against a real opposing team that is organised and knows what they're doing. Its so blatantly obvious we are a rabble when on the field playing for points- no structure in A/D, no rallying, no heart and little passion eg no extra drive to run down the ball / opposing player.

I’m with you there but who is available, unhappy or off contract that fits the bill.

 

[2005magic]

Purchase a leader and organiser for on the field. No matter what is practiced during the week it all goes pear shaped when put against a real opposing team that is organised and knows what they're doing. Its so blatantly obvious we are a rabble when on the field playing for points- no structure in A/D, no rallying, no heart and little passion eg no extra drive to run down the ball / opposing player.

I’m with you there but who is available, unhappy or off contract that fits the bill.

Dunno, but its for the people with bigger pay packets than mine to figure it out. We are a totally rudderless on the field. Yet, somewhat ironically I think our forwards can hold their own, as too the backline (mostly) but its the organising of the players into a team, working together for set plays / goals that we are so obviously lacking.

 

[jirskyr]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Bellamy or Bennett.

Why on Earth anyone signs Bennett is beyond me. Outside of his time at the Broncos with a gem of a team, his record isn't that that great. And that ended an awful long time ago.

There is some merit to your comment, but Bennett also gets all his sides to the finals. He's 4/4 in that regard and really it's the first step all Tigers fans are begging for.

 

[jirskyr]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Was that the old Kiama trip?

From memory think he did it a couple of times but that long ago I’m not certain. Kiama does ring a bell though but I knew a girl there many years ago aswell

Yeah it was Kiama, perhaps we can lose them all down the blowhole.

It would spit some of them back out.

 

[Saturnalia]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Was that the old Kiama trip?

From memory think he did it a couple of times but that long ago I’m not certain. Kiama does ring a bell though but I knew a girl there many years ago aswell

Yeah it was Kiama, perhaps we can lose them all down the blowhole.

It would spit some of them back out.

I just spat my coffee out.

Thank you.

 

[jirskyr]

Alright here it goes (I would do this prior to the season)

* First I would get all of the old boys from both Balmain and Wests to their favoured areas
(Wests = Campbelltown Oval, Balmain = Leichardt Oval)

* Secondly, gather all the players on the bus and head to one area at a time (example, drive to Campbelltown first, Leichardt Second and Concord last.

* Ensure the clubhouses are decked out in a "Premiership" type of way, with club colours, balloon's and everything you could possibly think, make it premiership like which shocks people.

* Have the boys walk into the club, shake hands with the greats of each desired clubs and talk about the History , the toughness, resilience and desire to wear the jersey, what it means to play NRL and pretty much their club level stories and times they came across hard times and good times..

* Once the boys have went to both of the foundation clubs, they make their way to Concord or wherever you want to place the Wests TIgers clubhouse.. - here you will have the likes of everyone, both Balmain, Magpies and Wests Tigers players gathered to talk about the club in even more depth, food and drinks and go from there.

I could keep going and going, but you get it.

Really, the TEAM needs to be ONE.

We have a rich history that needs to be echoed and we need to ACT like a premiership TEAM.

If this means decking out the change rooms before each game to ensure that this is WHAT the club is about then do that..

just need to show everyone, even the players especially, this is the Wests Tigers that has over 100 years of history behind us with a new face of Wests Tigers.

Love this!

I am so proud that my pa played for wests in 1952 when we won the premiership. That's why I love the club.

I'm sure everyone has their own story and connection to the club.

Players need that emotional connection to something bigger that the top 30 squad.



We have a rich history that should be celebrated

Not against the idea at all, but I have a bad feeling that connecting with a big group of 20-25 year old men/boys is a totally different kettle of fish than many of us might think.

For example - when the club had a barber enter the COVID bubble and it became a running joke on here, about Tigers supplying haircuts. But it was a big deal for the players, esp. the young ones, who were struggling to lead "normal lives" locked away from society, friends and non-household family.

During the first lockdown I cut my own hair and was pretty happy with it. But I'm 41 not 23.

 

[rustycage]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Bellamy or Bennett.

Why on Earth anyone signs Bennett is beyond me. Outside of his time at the Broncos with a gem of a team, his record isn't that that great. And that ended an awful long time ago.

There is some merit to your comment, but Bennett also gets all his sides to the finals. He's 4/4 in that regard and really it's the first step all Tigers fans are begging for.

I take your point, however, i don't think he brought a lot to the team at the dragons prior to their success. They were pretty much there from memory and he left them in a far worse state. He pretty much single handedly buggered up the knights, left the broncos with no future and walked into a very talented and strong bunnies squad. Now, I'm not saying he's rubbish, as his longevity is admirable, but the swooning over him and the longing for him to weave his magic at our club isn't something I will ever understand nor want.

 

[Speed2burn]

As the title says
I remember sheens once took the team away for a week. Could possibly help.
Has any one done anything in their workplace that has helped lift personnel
Imo instead of whinging we should look for the void and aim to better the situation.
Does the team need a whisperer like teddy’s got to give the team cuddles.
Aiming for a positive thread ?

Bellamy or Bennett.

Why on Earth anyone signs Bennett is beyond me. Outside of his time at the Broncos with a gem of a team, his record isn't that that great. And that ended an awful long time ago.

There is some merit to your comment, but Bennett also gets all his sides to the finals. He's 4/4 in that regard and really it's the first step all Tigers fans are begging for.

I take your point, however, i don't think he brought a lot to the team at the dragons prior to their success. They were pretty much there from memory and he left them in a far worse state. He pretty much single handedly buggered up the knights, left the broncos with no future and walked into a very talented and strong bunnies squad. Now, I'm not saying he's rubbish, as his longevity is admirable, but the swooning over him and the longing for him to weave his magic at our club isn't something I will ever understand nor want.

Let’s hope history repeats and he leaves scum Sydney in a rabble

 

[fibrodreaming]

but its the organising of the players into a team, working together for set plays / goals that we are so obviously lacking.

I recall that during the preseason a regular contributor on here (can't remember who) said that they had a conversation with the wife of one of the coaching staff / trainers, who told them that there were a number of players (senior players from memory) that were really only interested in themselves and their own role and not interested in helping the other players out.

I thought that this was a rather worrying revelation.

Our lack of cohesion as a team in the first two rounds suggests that there is some truth to this. They don't appear to be playing for each other.

For example, watching Brooks struggle with a much larger man on the tryline, while BJ spectated next to him was very poor look. Similarly, Laurie was isolated on the tryline the week before with two front rowers on either side of him. So much for helping out your mates in defence.

If some of the influential players are only playing for themselves, then the only thing the coach can do is drop them. There could be more big names joining BJ in reggies shortly.

 

[Bigscreentv]

Long time reader, first time poster.

All we hear about is how hard Madge's teams train, so why the hell does Kepaoa have a gut when he's meant to be the best athlete in the team (i.e. a winger)?

Madge has tried to build a team that he won the comp with - big, strong and dominating pack. What he forgets is that he had Sam Burgess then and the game was very different. The new rule of tackle restarts mean that teams get absolutely punished for lacking discipline, especially when their forwards lack mobility. In today's game, Alex Twal is a prop, not a lock. We need to go back to the days of a ball-playing lock. The 2005 pack would be perfect for today's game - it's almost come full circle.

We have a young squad - his senior players are Tamou (great leader), but James Roberts and Joey Leilua? God help us...

Madge has got to go. This is his squad; he built it. They aren't responding. His tactics are dated. Enough said. I give him another 3 weeks before the club sack him.

If they don't make changes quick smart, Laurie will be out the door.

 

[TrueTiger]

Long time reader, first time poster.

All we hear about is how hard Madge's teams train, so why the hell does Kepaoa have a gut when he's meant to be the best athlete in the team (i.e. a winger)?

Madge has tried to build a team that he won the comp with - big, strong and dominating pack. What he forgets is that he had Sam Burgess then and the game was very different. The new rule of tackle restarts mean that teams get absolutely punished for lacking discipline, especially when their forwards lack mobility. In today's game, Alex Twal is a prop, not a lock. We need to go back to the days of a ball-playing lock. The 2005 pack would be perfect for today's game - it's almost come full circle.

We have a young squad - his senior players are Tamou (great leader), but James Roberts and Joey Leilua? God help us...

Madge has got to go. This is his squad; he built it. They aren't responding. His tactics are dated. Enough said. I give him another 3 weeks before the club sack him.

If they don't make changes quick smart, Laurie will be out the door.

Mate your on the sack Madge bandwaggon....they have just extended him and we all know how sacking coaches real quick ends...
Welcome to the best forum in the world....

 

[Bigscreentv]

I'm not in favour of sacking coaches without giving them time, but he did this entire preseason, picked players, worked on playing style and strategy...they're in trouble. You can see that the players aren't responding.

I am hoping for everyone's sake that the removal of Leilua from the centres will help things massively, but i don't think that's the only problem. I mean, the backs aren't even getting deep when we look to go wide? Isn't that under 12's stuff?

I don't mean to sound too negative, but the fundamentals aren't being done. You can't tell me that professional players don't know how this. They just aren't responding.

And thank you for the welcome.

 

[barra]

If they don't make changes quick smart, Laurie will be out the door.

Welcome bigscreen. If it goes as pear shaped as you suggest, Laurie will certainly outlast Madge!

 

[Bigscreentv]

Here's hoping the changes are performance-wise and not coaching changes, but it's looking grim unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I think Madge needs to fix the forward rotation , most notably either side of halftime . We have lost the better part of the last 10 games (despite whether we won the whole game ) that period either side of halftime . Why ? The only thing I can think is that’s when the forward rotation happens . If we have to carry Mikalele I’d be tempted to start him , honestly . I just think he clocks off , and too often I see damage done in watching it back again , and he is somewhere near where the damage is. Whether it be when Garner was beaten against Tapine in round 1 , or James running over Laurie , or not pushing across him and Luci and BJ to help Brooks try and tackle a 110kg 6ft2 Tuponiua 1v1.
I’m not blaming him , but I think Cleary was into something about recruiting dudes who didn’t clock off, but maybe weren’t the most skill full. Maybe this where the we are let down . This sea that you recruit the talent and teach them the mental toughness .
It’s not just fitness that makes you chase someone down .

When I was a kid , I was pretty unfit , but if there was a linebreak down the other edge I would make the effort to push across and just be there , knowing most of the time I had no chance of stopping anything . Every now and then I’d save a try , or bundle someone into touch because just being there caused indecision.
Or putting pressure on a kicker , no matter how stuffed I was , tackle 6 I would sprint at that kicker and try and affect the game. I charged down heaps of kicks , or caused them to boot it into touch.

Even if I was having a real bad game , you just try to do something positive , make a play for your team . This is what I think the top teams do . Obviously these guys are way more talented that I ever was , but the point remains . Work when you think , working is a waste of time . Effort plays as people are saying.