What did you expect

[Newtown]

We haven't had any major injuries this year to disrupt our football. Nevertheless we have certainly struggled on the field. Without any new players coming on board to add to our roster next year how we will cope if injuries disrupt us is anybody's guess. If we have to rely on younger players next year to fill the gaps we could be in trouble.

 

[TrueTiger]

You know what,the season is just about over for us,let the kids and some of the others play football and enjoy themselves…it's pretty clear on their faces when tries are scored against them they are looking despaired..I know learning the structure is having to apply themselves to Taylor's structure,but gee they must feel like saying "you know what,stuff this I'm going all out to have a crack"...it goes against the coaches rules,but how many times have we heard that " the talent and ability can be coached out of them" this would be an absolute disaster for these kids.....they just want to enjoy their work....

 

[Russell]

His supporters will try anything in the book.

It is desperate times for them so some go missing (southern tiger- this bloke gave Potter a hiding for 2 years but you dont here from him now after singing taylors praises relentlessly for the first 2 months.

Others say JT has worked miracles at the place to have us this competitive in last place. Soon they will be telling us it was taylors plan to come last all along and it is for the better.

it is actually quite amusing. Its like Taylor himself the supporters adopt the same spin. Rather then say he needs to coach better and get more out of the group, they go through the list of excuses. Or they create spin to say despite running last we are improving.

Hey Eddie, stevetiger et al - we are all on the same side here.

We don't need to crucify people for their opinions. Isn't that what a Forum is for?

The problem is that yourself and the JT supporters keep playing JT's spin game. If you were honest about the situation you would state that JT has been a terrible coach for us.

There is no excuse for taking the squad that we have to the wooden spoon. Potter was significantly better.

Your wrong again. The point is that the JT supporters and myself are entitled to our opinion just the same as yourself and the JT haters that think it is all spin are entitled to yours.

You are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change yours. However we all don't need to be admonished for our thoughts - we are all Tigers supporters. Are we not?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good to see an unbiased assessment of Taylor from someone outside the club
Wish he'd stop giving advice to Taylor on how to save his job, though

 

[Russell]

The issue isn't Potter or Taylor its the squad we have this year. Wayne Bennett would have them 16th (like he did with Knights for most of the last year).

We came 13th last year and then offloaded 8 FG in Blair, Gavet, Fulton, Austin, Patterson, Anasta, Koroibete, Thompson with over 1000 FG games between them and replaced them with Kevin Naquiama and under 20s.

We have been competitive in almost every game this year whereas last year we were flogged in nearly every loss.

JT has worked miracles to make us competitive and we are probabaly 2 players short of competing for the top 8 when in reality we were 10 players off it last year under Potter.

Our salary cap is fecked and even when it isn't we can't compete based on Third party payments.

We have the worst facilities in the comp and yet somehow JT has managed to take us from the most injured team in the comp to one of the least.

JT is doing a great job with what he has

You don't really mean any of that. If you do maybe see a doctor.

He knew what the squad was before he signed on, he can't complain about his cattle now, his job was to improve them,

He hasn't , except in his own head

I haven't heard him complain about any player - have you?

 

[stryker]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good to see an unbiased assessment of Taylor from someone outside the club
Wish he'd stop giving advice to Taylor on how to save his job, though

He is stating the obvious but its good to see someone outside this fan base say it.
He is correct about the turning of the game as it pertains to our comeback as well.Taylor has got it wrong. It wasnt that 6th tackle option that he stated so much as it was replacing an attacking dummy half with a defensive one. Inexplicable decision.

 

[foreveratiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good to see an unbiased assessment of Taylor from someone outside the club
Wish he'd stop giving advice to Taylor on how to save his job, though

He's spot on in his assessment of things , just some won't admit it .

 

[jadtiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good honest assessment Taylor still makes poor decisions because his game plan tells him to take player x off and bring player y on regardless of the situation.He has learnt nothing this year and i dont think he ever will, very substandard coaching

 

[stevetiger]

His supporters will try anything in the book.

It is desperate times for them so some go missing (southern tiger- this bloke gave Potter a hiding for 2 years but you dont here from him now after singing taylors praises relentlessly for the first 2 months.

Others say JT has worked miracles at the place to have us this competitive in last place. Soon they will be telling us it was taylors plan to come last all along and it is for the better.

it is actually quite amusing. Its like Taylor himself the supporters adopt the same spin. Rather then say he needs to coach better and get more out of the group, they go through the list of excuses. Or they create spin to say despite running last we are improving.

Hey Eddie, stevetiger et al - we are all on the same side here.

We don't need to crucify people for their opinions. Isn't that what a Forum is for?

The problem is that yourself and the JT supporters keep playing JT's spin game. If you were honest about the situation you would state that JT has been a terrible coach for us.

There is no excuse for taking the squad that we have to the wooden spoon. Potter was significantly better.

Your wrong again. The point is that the JT supporters and myself are entitled to our opinion just the same as yourself and the JT haters that think it is all spin are entitled to yours.

You are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change yours. However we all don't need to be admonished for our thoughts - we are all Tigers supporters. Are we not?

A couple of points that should be made clear. I am definitely not a JT hater. I'm judging the guy based on his performances. I feel its pretty obvious that I have the facts on my side with regards to my judgements. The guy came in and straight away there was a bad smell. That has just continued on.

You are entitled to your opinion however some rationality should be applied to what you are stating. You and all the JT lovers look more and more stupid with every dumb outburst that you come up with. If you showed some rational thinking and stopped trying to justify JT with spin then it would be fine.

I said it before but I'll give you your ammo:-

1\. We have a young learning squad with some key players in our 6 and 7 still making the step up to first grade. This is partly the coaches fault.
2\. Playing Lawrence in the backrow has been a great idea.
3\. Getting rid of Richards is also something that has had to be done.
4\. Our marquee players in Woods and Farah have not been performing to the level that we need them too. This is also partly the coaches fault.

I think that is honestly it with the positives but that is why JT has been such a dud. The positives are so few. If I had some ulterior motive and I was trying to bizarrely state that JT had done a good job though I would try and focus on those items that I have listed rather than focus on the stuff that JT has obviously done extremely poorly at- namely game plans and defensive and offensive structures.

 

[stevetiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

I wonder how JT gets it so wrong. Seriously does he have no idea or is it all just spin.

 

[happy_tiger]

Woods disappointed me on Sunday

I can't remember how many times it was taking him at least three tackles to get back on side and that was in the first 15 minutes

I was trying to focus on Teddy's talk so wasn't always focussing on Woods getting back , but the old man said the exact same thing at half time

Skipper has to lead by example , at least be working hard and trying to get back would be nice

In the future I'd like to see Rowdy captain the side when Farah isn't available

 

[Droppy]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good honest assessment Taylor still makes poor decisions because his game plan tells him to take player x off and bring player y on regardless of the situation.He has learnt nothing this year and i dont think he ever will, very substandard coaching

The facts speak for themselves. League is a simple game for simple people. Run hard, tackle, catch & pass, kick the ball.
So call supporters of Taylor have not commented on this article because the contents are undisputable.
I'm happy for us get the spoon this year, if it guarentees getting rid of Taylor. If not, we may be in the same position for many years.
Anyone that expects different results from doing the same things over & over is insane.

 

[ricksen]

Woods was below his best on Sunday, but it's plain wrong to say he's been struggling. He's moved to another level this season, and is right up there with the top 4-5 props in the game at the moment.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good honest assessment Taylor still makes poor decisions because his game plan tells him to take player x off and bring player y on regardless of the situation.He has learnt nothing this year and i dont think he ever will, very substandard coaching

This Journo prescribes to the thought process of outscoring the opposition

We've done that since day one and it hasn't worked , even with the fantastic sides we had from 2009-2012 that had good defensive players like Ellis ,Gibbs etc

So why would it work we we don't have the defence or the attack of those sides

 

[Eddie]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good honest assessment Taylor still makes poor decisions because his game plan tells him to take player x off and bring player y on regardless of the situation.He has learnt nothing this year and i dont think he ever will, very substandard coaching

This Journo prescribes to the thought process of outscoring the opposition

We've done that since day one and it hasn't worked , even with the fantastic sides we had from 2009-2012 that had good defensive players like Ellis ,Gibbs etc

So why would it work we we don't have the defence or the attack of those sides

Is this just a lazy cliche?

Have we actually prioritised attack?? or were we just better at it?

Players like Todd Payten came out and said we NEVER had that outscore the opposition attitude.

Maybe we just had some good attacking players and did our best in defence but was quite poor.

Taylor seems to have picked up this thing and run with it.

Good football is about balance and at its best in 2005, 2010, 2011 we had that balance.

I think its a bit of a myth this focusing on one thing or another. How about focus on both and try and do both well.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good read - what most on here are saying

http://the81stminute.com/2015/07/taylor-facing-the-sack-unless-tigers-cubs-start-playing-footy/

Good honest assessment Taylor still makes poor decisions because his game plan tells him to take player x off and bring player y on regardless of the situation.He has learnt nothing this year and i dont think he ever will, very substandard coaching

This Journo prescribes to the thought process of outscoring the opposition

We've done that since day one and it hasn't worked , even with the fantastic sides we had from 2009-2012 that had good defensive players like Ellis ,Gibbs etc

So why would it work we we don't have the defence or the attack of those sides

Is this just a lazy cliche?

Have we actually prioritised attack?? or were we just better at it?

Players like Todd Payten came out and said we NEVER had that outscore the opposition attitude.

Maybe we just had some good attacking players and did our best in defence but was quite poor.

Taylor seems to have picked up this thing and run with it.

Good football is about balance and at its best in 2005, 2010, 2011 we had that balance.

I think its a bit of a myth this focusing on one thing or another. How about focus on both and try and do both well.

Benji says the opposite

Someone's telling porkies

We talked about grinding in 2010-2011 but rarely did , because it was in the too hard basket

Again we have way too many defensive issues in our side and that's the biggest issue still

And again I still want to see what happens on a consistent basis when Simona and Nofoaluma are in the centres before we do anything

When we have speed in our centres , our defence seemed better because it doesn't panic and start making stupid defensive reads

 

[Eddie]

So are the defensive issues about personel or system??

I thought Taylor was going to fix these issues with his system which was a mix of the previous systems?

Or improve them at the least given his heavy focus on it.

Dont you think its a bad look that he has bagged the Tigers for focusing on attack and having poor defensive systems. Yet after all the focus he has put on it he has 7-8 issues in defence??

I remember in previous players we have had a heap more on the sidelines as well.

 

[happy_tiger]

So are the defensive issues about personel or system??

I thought Taylor was going to fix these issues with his system which was a mix of the previous systems?

Or improve them at the least given his heavy focus on it.

Dont you think its a bad look that he has bagged the Tigers for focusing on attack and having poor defensive systems. Yet after all the focus he has put on it he has 7-8 issues in defence??

I remember in previous players we have had a heap more on the sidelines as well.

But look at the players we did lose in 2015

Many were defensive based players

Fulton ,Anasta , Blair , Thompson

Add no Farah defensively either

Bag Anasta's attack yes , but we were a far better defensive unit with him

You take out around approximately 130-150 tackles a game with these blokes missing , based on an average game that's around 40% of your defence being made

 

[Eddie]

So are the defensive issues about personel or system??

I thought Taylor was going to fix these issues with his system which was a mix of the previous systems?

Or improve them at the least given his heavy focus on it.

Dont you think its a bad look that he has bagged the Tigers for focusing on attack and having poor defensive systems. Yet after all the focus he has put on it he has 7-8 issues in defence??

I remember in previous players we have had a heap more on the sidelines as well.

But look at the players we did lose in 2015

Many were defensive based players

Fulton ,Anasta , Blair , Thompson

Add no Farah defensively either

Bag Anasta's attack yes , but we were a far better defensive unit with him

You take out around approximately 130-150 tackles a game with these blokes missing , based on an average game that's around 40% of your defence being made

You cant say no Farah as he missed plenty last year as well.

Your answering my question though, system or personel

Its clearly which players you have on the field. So what I say is maybe Taylor should not have been so bullish about the Tigers systems in the past and how his defensive structure would improve things out of sight.

 

[happy_tiger]

Its still both Eddie

We don't have the personnel and they can't cope with the systems obviously

But we are finding out exactly who are keepers and who aren't , and the BOARD can't sugar coat it in the foreseeable future that juniors are the whole answer for our club