What has happened to Sironen
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bigsiro
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@Loud tiger said:
Agree.
Any coach who picks those guys is going to get instant pressure from fans. It's bleeding obvious that none of them are up to scratch.
greatodensraven
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He is a kid learning his trade. Give him time & start him off the bench for the rest of the season.
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overseastigersfan
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I'll be honest I haven't seen a lot of good from Sironen, but I'm pretty sure Bobby Fulton said he would play for Australia one day. Perhaps those in the forum who saying he needs some more experience are right, Fulton can't be that bad a judge of a player, can he?
hybrid_tiger
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@overseastigersfan said:
Fulton picked Jamie Buhrer for Origin. Enough said.
Potential written all over him.
So does Tariq sims, and Jason taumalolo.
He is still learning how to use his big body in first grade. Where people are the same size, unlike his juniors, where he was much bigger.
Potential doesn't always guarantee success, but at his young age, I wouldn't write him off yet.
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So does Tariq sims, and Jason taumalolo.
He is still learning how to use his big body in first grade. Where people are the same size, unlike his juniors, where he was much bigger.
Potential doesn't always guarantee success, but at his young age, I wouldn't write him off yet.
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@phil1986 said:
Interesting you mention Sims and Taumalolo. When they first hit the scene everyone was singing their praises before they hit a road block last season and the first half of this season. Now they're back to their best and everyone is singing their praises again. Thats what im hoping to see with Siro at the beginning of next season after a full off season to get comfortable and confident in his new frame whilst working on his fitness.
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supercoach
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Siro has a hell of a lot to learn and probably got pushed along way to soon, but he is still a kid and Iam sure in a few years will be a top notch backrower. As I said plenty of hard work and will end up being a good player. Although a stint in the lower grades would do him the world of good
Loud_tiger
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@Tony33 said:
Sirro is no where near sims and never will be. You either have ticker or you don't. Sirronen has not. Sims did break his leg and has had other injuries,prob why he was a bit slow last year, but that bloke is an animal. We should make him an offer there's talk he wants to come back to sydney
On Sirro - I admit to being completely underwhelmed by him so far - and yes, I am as impatient as everyone else. However, after reading all the posts here, I believe that there are a lot of good points being made concerning his career to date. My current view is …..
He is young and has been pushed into NRL before his time.
He has played in the halves up until now and hasn't learnt (or been taught) how to succeed in the back row at NRL level yet. He still plays like a half, so is not running the right lines in attack most of the time.
He is playing in a pack that is getting smashed so being a weak link he stands out (as most have noticed) whenever the team is poor. The bulk of the team are asking too much from him with their own poor performances and weak defenders inside of him as well. He's not the only one missing tackles and on the back foot - the whole team are doing that! There is just a lot more traffic coming his way.
In the rush to get him into NRL he has bulked up quickly without time spent on the necessary power and sprint training - this has slowed him down.
I think the answer is not as simple as just saying "He's a Dud". In fact, I think he's a great kid trying his best to keep his head up above water in a pretty tough environment without a lot of help from his team mates. I believe that he needs to go back to the lower grades to develop his skills and confidence - he needs more time and a fairer chance to fulfil the promise he does have.
Potter should be using Sue, Haletau, Patterson, Blair, Thompson in the back row for the balance of this season.
He is young and has been pushed into NRL before his time.
He has played in the halves up until now and hasn't learnt (or been taught) how to succeed in the back row at NRL level yet. He still plays like a half, so is not running the right lines in attack most of the time.
He is playing in a pack that is getting smashed so being a weak link he stands out (as most have noticed) whenever the team is poor. The bulk of the team are asking too much from him with their own poor performances and weak defenders inside of him as well. He's not the only one missing tackles and on the back foot - the whole team are doing that! There is just a lot more traffic coming his way.
In the rush to get him into NRL he has bulked up quickly without time spent on the necessary power and sprint training - this has slowed him down.
I think the answer is not as simple as just saying "He's a Dud". In fact, I think he's a great kid trying his best to keep his head up above water in a pretty tough environment without a lot of help from his team mates. I believe that he needs to go back to the lower grades to develop his skills and confidence - he needs more time and a fairer chance to fulfil the promise he does have.
Potter should be using Sue, Haletau, Patterson, Blair, Thompson in the back row for the balance of this season.
happy_tiger
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He won't learn anything playing NSW Cup
Play him off the bench until he gets a bigger motor
I reckon maximum he should be playing 50-55 minutes
Play him off the bench until he gets a bigger motor
I reckon maximum he should be playing 50-55 minutes
foreveratiger
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Bottom line is, Sirro is playing without confidence and that's what tends to happen when playing in a depleted side, relax he will come good.
Basil_Tiger
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Hope he comes good next season,we are really missing Fulton's defence,no one is cleaning up the half breaks or reading the play like Liam did,time for young Sirro. to step up,given up on Blair.
supercoach
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Last year I posted that I thought Siro's defense was a real issue and nothing has changed this year, he misses a lot of one on one tackles that most NRL forwards would make. I think its mainly a technique thing rather than any thing else
happy_tiger
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@Snake said:
Snake usually I like your posts
But why is it the assistant coaches fault that Sironen is missing tackles ??
Sometimes footballers don't improve in particular areas no matter who is working with them
He should be on the bench until he meets our expectations
AmericanHistoryX
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but to be fair Happy to Snake "Plisken"- can you confirm that it wasn't the assistant's coaches fault? We all want to know. Are you on in the inside?
clontarfkid
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A very real prospect of being the next Matt Groat…the schoolyard bully who dominated when all the other kids were smaller,but now everyone is the same size its he who is getting dominated ,& not showing a glimpse of ballplaying talent he supposedly had coming thru the grades.
A huge disappointment
At the other end of the spectrum,Kurtis Rowe is just too darn tiny to be competitive at NRL in both defence(particularly)or attack.Even Mitchell Pearce runs thru him
Both are career reserve graders unless they do something very different in the off season
A huge disappointment
At the other end of the spectrum,Kurtis Rowe is just too darn tiny to be competitive at NRL in both defence(particularly)or attack.Even Mitchell Pearce runs thru him
Both are career reserve graders unless they do something very different in the off season
happy_tiger
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@AmericanHistoryX said:
No I can't AHX
Am I on the inside ?? In regards to one player yes and I've made that very clear
But many on here always blame the coaching staff for players deficiencies
Sometimes player's just don't improve as quickly as we hope or don't improve at all
I train staff every day , I'm not a bad trainer with some and a good trainer with others
jirskyr
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I find it funny that people are singling out Sirro over the past few weeks when the entire team has been lapped 112-10 in the space of 7 days.
Those types of scores involve many players not playing to their best, not just the 21 year old guy.
My take is he has shown enough ability to prove he is a first-grader, but his form has fallen away as the team has also fallen away. But it's also hard to judge him considering a few serious injuries and the Tigers have run 10th, 15th and currently 12th since he started.
Sirro cops extra scrutiny because he shares his Dad's surname which some people think gave him a free ticket.
And you wonder why Mitchell Pearce didn't want to play for Tigers.
Those types of scores involve many players not playing to their best, not just the 21 year old guy.
My take is he has shown enough ability to prove he is a first-grader, but his form has fallen away as the team has also fallen away. But it's also hard to judge him considering a few serious injuries and the Tigers have run 10th, 15th and currently 12th since he started.
Sirro cops extra scrutiny because he shares his Dad's surname which some people think gave him a free ticket.
And you wonder why Mitchell Pearce didn't want to play for Tigers.
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