What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?

[Balmain_Bug]

:astonished:

So what's supposed to happen to all those kids from Ryde through to Glebe, from Lane Cove through to Five Dock?
Are they meant to aspire towards playing for Campbelltown?

What happens to the next Robbie Farah, the next Aaron Woods or Matt Hyland?

What happens to the proud nurseries of Holy Cross, Balmain PBC or the Leichhardt Wanders?

The latest Planning Department stats shows that whilst the Macarthur region's population is stagnant, the Inner Wests is booming!
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*entire post is a rehash of Wests fans from the last couple of years and is equally as valid

No it's better that Kids from Liverpool and MacArthur aspire to play for Balmain Ryde Eastwood.

 

[galahs]

Bug, why don't Wests fold their State Cup side and invest the cash into more junior development?

As much as juniors are indeed very important… they are not everything.

Rugby League needs to provide all the different levels of competitions for people of all ages.

If I'm from Campbelltown. Working full time, I'm too good to be playing club footy, but not good enough yet to play in the NRL, where do I go to improve....

get rid of the Magpies NSW Cup side and you remove the areas last senior representative team.

Soccer has a rep team for the Macarthur area, as does cricket, netball and even AFL. Get rid of the Magpies from the Macarthur / Liverpool area and just watch the other codes snap up these talented athletes that have the ability, but weren't given the opportunity to prove it in Rugby League.

 

[Vicious]

Bug, why don't Wests fold their State Cup side and invest the cash into more junior development?

As much as juniors are indeed very important… they are not everything.

Rugby League needs to provide all the different levels of competitions for people of all ages.

If I'm from Campbelltown. Working full time, I'm too good to be playing club footy, but not good enough yet to play in the NRL, where do I go to improve....

get rid of the Magpies NSW Cup side and you remove the areas last senior representative team.

Soccer has a rep team for the Macarthur area, as does cricket, netball and even AFL. Get rid of the Magpies from the Macarthur / Liverpool area and just watch the other codes snap up these talented athletes that have the ability, but weren't given the opportunity to prove it in Rugby League.

Winning the Bundy Cup every year would be a better result then running near last in the State Cup each year.
A Wests Magpies Bundy Cup side could be a feeder club for the Wests Tigers State Cup side which should be playing most of their games out of Campbelltown in any case.

 

[galahs]

I agree 100% with vicious i live 5 minutes from leicchardt but campbelltown needs a stronger presence. the nsw cup should be merged and called the wests tigers and play out of campbelltown and all schoolkids should be given free entry passes for the year and be given these from school visits from the players.We need to look at forwards more and backwards less.

See I would (all be it reluctantly) agree with this if it was guaranteed in stone that they were based wholly and solely at Campbelltown.

I was also encouraged to hear at the Wests AGM that Humpheries plans in the future to move the Wests Tigers U20's to Campbelltown and set up a RL academy. But for now its just words, and we've all heard those before. :blah

 

[magpie_mania]

I agree 100% with vicious i live 5 minutes from leicchardt but campbelltown needs a stronger presence. the nsw cup should be merged and called the wests tigers and play out of campbelltown and all schoolkids should be given free entry passes for the year and be given these from school visits from the players.We need to look at forwards more and backwards less.

See I would (all be it reluctantly) agree with this if it was guaranteed in stone that they were based wholly and solely at Campbelltown.

I was also encouraged to hear at the Wests AGM that Humpheries plans in the future to move the Wests Tigers U20's to Campbelltown and set up a RL academy. But for now its just words, and we've all heard those before. :blah

I think this is the compromise that should and hopefully would happen sometime soon.Also great to hear about the 20s hopefully it wasnt just bs from humphries trying to inflate a false sense of security amongst the west faithful.

 

[Geo]

I love this stuff…....Im livin in the 70's .....

I wish Noycie was still here...

continue....

 

[alien]

so what are the chances that wests magpies could get nrl squad players from a different nrl club next year?

 

[magpie_mania]

so what are the chances that wests magpies could get nrl squad players from a different nrl club next year?

zero I would think.Unless the wests tigers treatment of wests campbelltown area gets worse.

 

[cunno]

I love this stuff…....Im livin in the 70's .....

I wish Noycie was still here...

continue....

Daddy Cool bring back memories??

 

[innsaneink]

Same old same old, bla bla bla.. pull ya heads in (…waits for the mature comment...).

**The sooner this independent commision comes in the better.** The dismantling of the NSWRL and the introduction of tiered levels from NRL down to the grassroots will only benefit the game.

Let me play my old tune again, damn this record has been played so many times...

I've said it before, the reason the football club finds itself in this position is because of there lack of vision and acceptance in the joint venture. Instead of aligning themselves close with the Wests Tigers (there child - that members voted for !) they carried on with the us vs them mentality... it is a fight they would never win as a entity with no power in the Rugby League world ... Balmain on the other hand got in bed with the Wests Tigers and clung to them like a leech.. the only way to put forward there traditions to the modern league fan.

The council, junior league & Wests Campbelltown only seem to want to be associated with the Wests Tigers. Wests Ashfield is nearly there also going on the cuts to the funding....

Anyways :blah :blah :blah

Meh, bla .... cbf.

:sign:

Dont hold your breath, it may not even happen now.

 

[alien]

so what are the chances that wests magpies could get nrl squad players from a different nrl club next year?

zero I would think.Unless the wests tigers treatment of wests campbelltown area gets worse.

I don't know about worse. It will probably stay the same.

 

[galahs]

The Magpies were damn close to doing a deal with Canberra in the past, it was only an 11th hour back flip by the Wests Tigers that saw the return of NRL players to the Magpies that put an end to it.

Well the Wests Tigers have done the dirt on the Magpies again, so why wouldn't the MAgpies go back to the Raiders for support.

 

[alien]

The Magpies were damn close to doing a deal with Canberra in the past, it was only an 11th hour back flip by the Wests Tigers that saw the return of NRL players to the Magpies that put an end to it.

Well the Wests Tigers have done the dirt on the Magpies again, so why wouldn't the MAgpies go back to the Raiders for support.

I thought they were going to this year.

 

[galahs]

Too late to do so this year.

 

[magpie_mania]

Sheens' top State cup players and NYC graduates have WESTS TIGERS contracts , contracts that are paid for by the JV and players will "run off" to other clubs regardless . State cup games are watched by all clubs scouts and players are approached regularly, How will having other clubs players make any difference??
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Wests have done nothing **but** help their own cause, by staying alive in the State cup as a sole entity means that the district has an open age team with local links and an identity in the region. Having all senior teams playing under the WT banner is what will further "Polarise" the Magpies from the JV. A team that trains solely in the inner West and plays only 4 games a year at C'town is not seen or embraced as a "local" team.
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Having said that I am not against Sheens playing all contracted players in a single state cup side, he is the head coach and he should get his way as far as what he feels is best for the NRL side. I have no problem with that side being called the "WT's" either, what I dont agree with is having that side called BRET and getting their players funded by the JV while the Magpies have to fully fund their own State cup side.

Exactly.

How is the Wests Tigers actually benefiting the people of South West Sydney.

The area has gone from having 12 NRL matches a year to 6, then 3 and now 4\. Wow!

We went from having a permanent Under 20's team…. now we have one that trains at Concord

And now you want to remove the last full time rep team the area has, to again replace it with a team that trains out of Concord.

So very short sited for an area that needs to be nurtured or will be lost to other codes.

great posts guys sadly all too often on this forum the truth gets replaced by blind ignorance lets make sure it doesnt on this topic.

 

[Yossarian]

Either some of you guys are being sarcastic or this thread would have to contain some of the biggest hogwash of all time.

What are these other codes proposing to place teams playing in a higher standard comp than the Campbelltown Eagles? 1st grade rugby? Nope last I checked lower grade subbies was as good as it gets. Soccer? Nope the West Sydney team didn't get off the ground and probably wasn't going to based in Campbelltown anyway. AFL? Nope, Giants are training at Blacktown and playing at Homebush. The local team in the Sydney AFL didn't make it into the new East coast comp.

Do you really believe the lack of a local State Cup team will see an exodus to the Campbelltown Subbies union team? Fair dinkum…

Seriously, if you're not happy, take it up at the Magpies AGM...

 

[galahs]

I'm talking rep teams mate. Not necessarily in national competitions.

Get rid of the Magpies NSW Cup side and replace it with a Wests Tigers one based at Concord and the area has ZERO local senior representative sides.

Mate not everything is always just about the NRL. You need to have all the stepping stones to develop players. For an area as big as the Liverpool/ Macarthur and Southern Highlands area to not have a senior rep side, is very very bad for rugby league.

 

[batboy]

Honestly…. How many kids Follow the Maggies state Cup side?
I don't see any at the Games??
Always a bunch of Diehards and Family and Friends...
THAT'S IT!!
To assume the Kids in the are dreaming of developing to the level of the Maggies State Cup side is
ridiculous!!
Wests Tigers is WHERE IT'S AT!!
If the team was called Wests Tigers, A few kids might turn out to see the Fringers.... and aspire to THIS TEAM!! with the NRl the next step forward!!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Get rid of the Magpies NSW Cup side and replace it with a Wests Tigers one based at Concord and the area has ZERO local senior representative sides.

This is a very good point Galah and I understand why some feel passionate about this circumstance. From a Wests Tigers perspective, having one reserve grade team is the best way forward and calling this team the Wests Tigers is also the right option. Wests Tigers need to move forward and ensure it is not seen as a JV, but a single identity. Generation change wont care about Balmain and Magpies… (Ownership doesnt give you the right to control the day-to-day operations of the Wests Tigers, it gives you the right to 'question' its performance and results in return for your investment)

From a Western Suburbs perspective, If Wests Magpies wanted to still field a team in the NSW Cup, I wouldnt have any negativity towards it either. This is thier right and continuing to do so will be a great thing for its Juniors and the region... You will have to accept your WT Contracted Juniors will play for Wests Tigers though? But this sourcing of players from St George and Canberra to make this team up, is not in the best interests of the Magpies or your Juniors. It is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction and a "see WT, we told you we would do this". Further more, it WILL ensure the Wests Tigers cut the Magpies off even further and flies in the face of what you are trying to say is the reasons...

Lets hope all teams have a successful weekend!!!

 

[Yossarian]

I'm talking rep teams mate. Not necessarily in national competitions.

Get rid of the Magpies NSW Cup side and replace it with a Wests Tigers one based at Concord and the area has ZERO local senior representative sides.

Mate not everything is always just about the NRL. You need to have all the stepping stones to develop players. For an area as big as the Liverpool/ Macarthur and Southern Highlands area to not have a senior rep side, is very very bad for rugby league.

This is the same team that was going to fill its team with Canberra based players? Why do they need to play in the State Cup? Why not enter a team in the Bundaberg Rum cup or whatever its called now and seperate it entirely from the WT or any other NRL team's structure? Then Airds' finest will have something to aim for…