What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?

[magpie_mania]

it looks like there might not be a team called balmain in the nsw cup next year. instead they might be called wests tigers. wests magpies will still have a team in the nsw cup and they might be getting nrl squad players from st.george illawarra and/or canberra

This is a disgrace, wests the club merged in 2000\. We should have one feeded club, called wests tigers. Its so obvious, the fact that commom sence doesnt prevail is because people are motivated by their own interests rather than the clubs. This will eventually sort itself out when people keeping these old divisions alive die out, but this may take 20 years.

As for wests being a feeder club for another nrl team, no one can seriously be that dumb. This would be the equililant to Australia letting the japanese perform training exercises in australia during WW2.

Hopefully wests tigers arent that dumb and wests magpies are more fairly accommodated.

 

[magpie_mania]

Same goes for balmain in 1999\. BRET is happy to revert to a wt nsw cup team as it eliviates their funding situation and they dont lose their tigers brand or oppurtunity to play at leichhardt. Magpies resisted a wt nsw cup side to keep the wests/magpies brand alive and ensure the junior base of campbeltown is not abandoned.
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Hey slow down.Too much fact in one post and theyll call you a troll. :roll :roll :roll :roll

 

[matty119]

There is also the ability to let relationships and combinations grow from the age of 16/17 when they enter the whole system.

so you also want Wests and balmain to merge in sg ball and harold matthews :question: :question: :question:

No I meant that would be the age when they enter the WT Cubs program, where they can do this. In no event should they merge at junior representative level, this would be a ridiculous proposition.

 

[tigerdan]

lawrence = wests junior

This makes no difference. For the west junior argument to work wests juniors have to dominate the squad, They dont.

 

[Alf_Duguid]

Do WT's have to release financial reports for corporate governance? Or is it only Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers who have to do this?

 

[wtfl1981]

lawrence = wests junior

This makes no difference. For the west junior argument to work wests juniors have to dominate the squad, They dont.

Think of the contribution to WT since 2000

Balmain Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll:

Mark O'Neill
Robbie Farah
Aaron Woods
Bronson Harrison
anyone else i have missed????
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Wests Magpies Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll includes:

John Skandalis
Steve Georgalis
Ken McGuiness
Cherry Mescia
Brenton Pomery
Justin Doyle
Ray Cashmere
Willie Manu
Robert Mears
Brett Hodsgon
Bryce Gibbs
Dean Collis
Liam Fulton
Luke Covell
Shannon McDonnell
Shannon Gallant
Isaac De Gois
Stuart Flanagan
Rocky Trimarchi
Chris Lawrence
Simon Dwyer

Plus wests juniors who have not gone to WT such as Israel Falou and Ryan Hoffman

anyone else i have missed???

my statement (or arguement is)that wests magpies have contributed more in genuine juniors to Wests Tigers then Balmain

 

[Yossarian]

Well if you have superstars like Justin Doyle to back up your argument… Anyway surely the criteria for having a state cup team is how it assists the WT NRL team not a reward for some claimed sucess the Magpies have in developing juniors?

Are you actually saying the state cup team should be called the Wests Magpies on the basis of the above?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Wests juniors at other clubs that have come through
Israel Falou
Ryan Hoffman
Frank Pritchard
Jarryd Hayne
Anthony Minnichello
Mark Minnechello
Michael De Vere

pretty impressive

 

[cktiger]

Is this thread still going?
My suggestion to all the frustrated Maggies is to take around a hat , get the money together , and buy back your half of the franchise.
It seems from reading the comments on here you all believe you supply the bulk of the money and talent now - time to stand up and be counted!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Well if you have superstars like Justin Doyle to back up your argument… Anyway surely the criteria for having a state cup team is how it assists the WT NRL team not a reward for some claimed sucess the Magpies have in developing juniors?

Are you actually saying the state cup team should be called the Wests Magpies on the basis of the above?

you know your losing an arguement when the best reply you have is to knit-pick at the players mentioned

 

[Yossarian]

Well if you have superstars like Justin Doyle to back up your argument… Anyway surely the criteria for having a state cup team is how it assists the WT NRL team not a reward for some claimed sucess the Magpies have in developing juniors?

Are you actually saying the state cup team should be called the Wests Magpies on the basis of the above?

you know your losing an arguement when the best reply you have is to knit-pick at the players mentioned

Knit-pick? Come now, he's using the names of fringe NRL players (and that's being kind in some cases) to justify an argument that the State Cup team should be called the Wests Magpies. If he's going to throw names out there to support his position, its reasonable to question the relevance on what he's saying.

As for losing the argument, I'm still trying to clarify what the argument is. There seems to be this notion that the Magpies are entitled to have the sole State Cup team based on their alleged contribution (financial and junior wise) to the WT NRL side.

 

[batboy]

lawrence = wests junior

This makes no difference. For the west junior argument to work wests juniors have to dominate the squad, They dont.

Think of the contribution to WT since 2000

Balmain Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll:

Mark O'Neill
Robbie Farah
Aaron Woods
Bronson Harrison
anyone else i have missed????
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Wests Magpies Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll includes:

John Skandalis
Steve Georgalis
Ken McGuiness
Cherry Mescia
Brenton Pomery
Justin Doyle
Ray Cashmere
Willie Manu
Robert Mears
Brett Hodsgon
Bryce Gibbs
Dean Collis
Liam Fulton
Luke Covell
Shannon McDonnell
Shannon Gallant
Isaac De Gois
Stuart Flanagan
Rocky Trimarchi
Chris Lawrence
Simon Dwyer

Plus wests juniors who have not gone to WT such as Israel Falou and Ryan Hoffman

anyone else i have missed???

my statement (or arguement is)that wests magpies have contributed more in genuine juniors to Wests Tigers then Balmain

HONOUR ROLL???
From an objective point of view….

How do Justin Doyle, Ray Cashmere, Stuart Flanagan, Dean Collis, Luke Covell, Brenton Pomery.... EVER make ANY honour roll....

If you are to way up both lists, in terms of quality and contribution....

It would be a little closer than you imply

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Do WT's have to release financial reports for corporate governance? Or is it only Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers who have to do this?

I don't think they have to release them publicly.

 

[tigerdan]

Looking at the wests "Honour Roll" has absolutly made my day.

Just look at your names buddy and ask yourself "does this player contribute anything to my argument?"

 

[tiger4ever]

lawrence = wests junior

This makes no difference. For the west junior argument to work wests juniors have to dominate the squad, They dont.

Think of the contribution to WT since 2000

Balmain Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll:

Mark O'Neill
Robbie Farah
Aaron Woods
Bronson Harrison
anyone else i have missed????
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Wests Magpies Juniors to Wests Tigers NRL Honour Roll includes:

John Skandalis
Steve Georgalis
Ken McGuiness
Cherry Mescia
Brenton Pomery
Justin Doyle
Ray Cashmere
Willie Manu
Robert Mears
Brett Hodsgon
Bryce Gibbs
Dean Collis
Liam Fulton
Luke Covell
Shannon McDonnell
Shannon Gallant
Isaac De Gois
Stuart Flanagan
Rocky Trimarchi
Chris Lawrence
Simon Dwyer

Plus wests juniors who have not gone to WT such as Israel Falou and Ryan Hoffman

anyone else i have missed???

my statement (or arguement is)that wests magpies have contributed more in genuine juniors to Wests Tigers then Balmain

Out of that wests list there is only 6 that was worth anything to us.

There is more balmain as well but im not going to bother looking it up and who cares.

You go on like wests have had the area since its exception you inherited the area and started playing there in 87 and they done absolutely nothing in all the time before the merger to fully support the area and its juniors.

 

[wtfl1981]

tiger4ever… These Wests Juniors help brought us a premiership in 2005... Dont forget that!

Wests have moved from Ashfield to Lidcombe to Campbelltown to keep up with the demographic change in both the rugby league 'playing' and rugby league 'following' population. Consequently Wests now have a good junior nursery that has provided players in the past (like Jason Taylor) and players to other teams in the NRL (like Israel Falou) and players to Wests Tigers (as mentioned above).

I personally played in the Balmain Junior League myself during the 90's and watched the number of Balmain junior teams shrink year by year and by the end of my stint found myself playing in a combined junior league with the St George Junior League.

That shrinking junior base in Balmain has resulted in much fewer top grade players being delivered for both the Balmain of the mid to late 1990s and Wests Tigers since 2000.

 

[magpie_mania]

tiger4ever… These Wests Juniors help brought us a premiership in 2005... Dont forget that!

Wests have moved from Ashfield to Lidcombe to Campbelltown to keep up with the demographic change in both the rugby league 'playing' and rugby league 'following' population. Consequently Wests now have a good junior nursery that has provided players in the past (like Jason Taylor) and players to other teams in the NRL (like Israel Falou) and players to Wests Tigers (as mentioned above).

I personally played in the Balmain Junior League myself during the 90's and watched the number of Balmain junior teams shrink year by year and by the end of my stint found myself playing in a combined junior league with the St George Junior League.

That shrinking junior base in Balmain has resulted in much fewer top grade players being delivered for both the Balmain of the mid to late 1990s and Wests Tigers since 2000.

Not to mention that on 2005 gf night alone we had 4 wests juniors playing from our team.

 

[tigerdan]

tiger4ever… These Wests Juniors help brought us a premiership in 2005... Dont forget that!

Wests have moved from Ashfield to Lidcombe to Campbelltown to keep up with the demographic change in both the rugby league 'playing' and rugby league 'following' population. Consequently Wests now have a good junior nursery that has provided players in the past (like Jason Taylor) and players to other teams in the NRL (like Israel Falou) and players to Wests Tigers (as mentioned above).

I personally played in the Balmain Junior League myself during the 90's and watched the number of Balmain junior teams shrink year by year and by the end of my stint found myself playing in a combined junior league with the St George Junior League.

That shrinking junior base in Balmain has resulted in much fewer top grade players being delivered for both the Balmain of the mid to late 1990s and Wests Tigers since 2000.

Mate, just saying it, doesnt make it true. Look wests tigers have had 145 different players. I'm only interested in players that hve played more than 50 games for us. Simply becuase im not checking 145 players backgrounds and i dont care if blamian of wests produced some dude that played 2 games in 2003\. Players with more than 50 games are:

Joel Caine- Balmain
Kevin Mcguinness- Wests
Darren Senter- Balmain
Skando- Wests
Mark O'neill- Balmain
Mat Seers- Bought from Bears
Ben Galea- Balmain
Corey Pearson- Balmain
John wilson- From Parra
Laffranchi- NSW country
Heighno- NSW Country
Farah- Balmain
Halatau- NZ
Marshall- NZ
Gibbs- Wests
Fulton- Wests
Collis- Wests
Hodgo- We got him from parra, cant claim juniors you cant keep
Elford- From penrith
Payton- From roosters
Harrison- Balmain
Whaturia- From penrith
Galloway- Sharks
Tuiaki- Rugby union
Lawrence- Wests
Ryan- St G
Morris- From parra
Moltzen- NSW Country
Ellis- England
Ayshford- Roosters

Thats 30 players with more than 50 games. 7 from Balamin, 6 From wests. You cant dispute the facts, meaningful junior representation is similar between both clubs, in team now and in past.

FIND A BETTER ARGUEMENT. and dont you dare bring up Shannon Gallant again hahahahha

 

[tiger4ever]

tiger4ever… These Wests Juniors help brought us a premiership in 2005... Dont forget that!

Wests have moved from Ashfield to Lidcombe to Campbelltown to keep up with the demographic change in both the rugby league 'playing' and rugby league 'following' population. Consequently Wests now have a good junior nursery that has provided players in the past (like Jason Taylor) and players to other teams in the NRL (like Israel Falou) and players to Wests Tigers (as mentioned above).

I personally played in the Balmain Junior League myself during the 90's and watched the number of Balmain junior teams shrink year by year and by the end of my stint found myself playing in a combined junior league with the St George Junior League.

That shrinking junior base in Balmain has resulted in much fewer top grade players being delivered for both the Balmain of the mid to late 1990s and Wests Tigers since 2000.

Yeah and we wouldnt have without sheens so remember that.Is it fair to say hodgo was the best player from west and farah from balmain and they wouldnt have WON with no prince and marshall who arent juniors.

Its 50-50 stop whining thank balmain for joining in the first place.

Wests Tigers are doing a great job getting both these teams together.

Dont forget we have harry trigounoff who would buy our club if it meant survival.

I Have to repeat myself but wests got c-town after newtown got kicked out of the comp unfairly and other clubs that were in the same predicament the nswrl borrowed money to them to help them survive and wests were one of them.c-town was a forced move not good forsight by wests

 

[system]

Not to mention that on 2005 gf night alone we had 4 wests juniors playing from our team.

In all honesty the only fact that matters to me from that night is that 17 players played for Wests Tigers and regardless of their source or where they have gone since they achieved the pinnacle of the NRL that night.

I cannot believe that the night that galvanised us as a single entity is being broken down into who came from where.

It is becoming very clear that there are people from either side of the original merger partners who are more interested in the past and brownie points for relic clubs. I am just glad they are slowly fading from board representation