What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Seriously, were any of you alive in 1999? Hodgson turned down an offer from Wests Tigers to sign with Parramatta, primarily to be first choice fullback.

This adds nothing to the discussion, but if you are going to post something pointless, at least make it factual.

 

[happy_tiger]

Seriously, were any of you alive in 1999? Hodgson turned down an offer from Wests Tigers to sign with Parramatta, primarily to be first choice fullback.

This adds nothing to the discussion, but if you are going to post something pointless, at least make it factual.

And you know that how ??

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Because he was one of the 6 or 7 players from the Magpies 1999 team that was offered a contract as reported by the press at the time.

Also, wikipedia (not the best source I agree), also references this decline.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lol you just trolled then by adding nothing to the topic atleast i did…...wake up you have added nothing and what is it troll your favourite word or something.

Dont give me s*** about respect look at the things that have been said about my old club and as usual.

You left your heartlan prove me wrong.

didn't Balmain leave their heartland for a period in the mid 90's and play out of Parra Stadium and called themselves the Sydney Tigers? if your gonna take pot shots atleast take 1's that aren't hypocritical

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He went to parra at end of 1999 AFTER the merge. Wayne pierce didnt take him into the first wt side in 2000.
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He was not offerred a contract by Wests before the merge or he would of been signed earlier by Magpies No one knew for certain what was going on either way until after he would of been contracted .Anyway Caine over Hodgson HA HA HA

Joel Caine is arguably the worst player in the history of Wests Tigers,so he is nothing to be proud of :stuck_out_tongue:

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

He held the point scoring record for some time or maybe he still does. I think that is harsh.

 

[happy_tiger]

Because he was one of the 6 or 7 players from the Magpies 1999 team that was offered a contract as reported by the press at the time.

Also, wikipedia (not the best source I agree), also references this decline.

Gary I can tell you with all authority (as i said previously , from the horses mouth ) what I said was true . Without going into it too much A relative of his and a relative of my wife dated for many years He came to our town to celebrate her 18th birthday in the off season after when he left Magpies and told my father in law the story because they knew i was a massive Wests fan ( I was doing a double shift in the new business I had taken over) (BUGGER) That is what my FIL told me and he has never lied before or since .Papers are to sell papers Gary not to tell the truth . Finally meet Brett in 2001\2? when they played a trial in Rockhampton for Parra (Tigers also played in a trial that same night )

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He held the point scoring record for some time or maybe he still does. I think that is harsh.

he had 1 decent yr in 2000,after that he was horrible.He was the 01,02 and 03 version of Fitzhenry,you should go and watch some footage of him.He didn't last long once Sheens got there

 

[GNR4LIFE]

and he was the leading pointscorer for a period but he's been overtaken by Hodgson and Marshall

 

[magpie_mania]

He went to parra at end of 1999 AFTER the merge. Wayne pierce didnt take him into the first wt side in 2000.
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He was not offerred a contract by Wests before the merge or he would of been signed earlier by Magpies No one knew for certain what was going on either way until after he would of been contracted .Anyway Caine over Hodgson HA HA HA

He wasnt offered a contract by the tigers get it right if your gonna dribble.Im a personal friend of hodgos and I can tell you the tigers and wayne pearce didnt want him.End of story.Joel caine hahahaha Hodgo 2005 premier and many nsw games.

 

[Goose]

He held the point scoring record for some time or maybe he still does. I think that is harsh.

he had 1 decent yr in 2000,after that he was horrible.He was the 01,02 and 03 version of Fitzhenry,you should go and watch some footage of him.He didn't last long once Sheens got there

Joel was alright, by no means a superstar, but he had a go and was reasonably consistent.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Hodgson had signed with Parra after the merger was announced so i don't know how you blame Tommy for that.Caine was chosen over Hodgson and how does that decision look now?

 

[Goose]

This whole argument is complete rubbish.

Im a balmain fan originally.

Anyone who denies the benefit and importance particularly in Junior development of the Macarthur is misguided at best.

Anyone who thinks that providing players is the be all and end all is also a fool, stating who provides more players and blah blah blah is being overly simplistic.

Junior development is as much do with setting up systems (recruitment and otherwise) from all areas to build HM, SGB and NYC teams to provide a constant flow of quality players through to the top. The West Tigers seem to be doing very well at this.

The fact is that without each other the Balmain Tigers and West Magpies would be extinct, we have the JV, which has some disadvantages for both teams, the art of compromise, the sooner fans of the former entities focus on what they do have, rather than what we dont have the better off we will all be, and the happier the fans will be

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Hodgson had signed with Parra after the merger was announced so i don't know how you blame Tommy for that.Caine was chosen over Hodgson and how does that decision look now?

See I disagree, I thought he signed during 1999.

He was nominated as one of the 6 or 7 1999 Magpies for the Wests Tigers, but he always had an asterisks against his name as having already signed with Parramatta. This would have been the reason he declined the offer from Wests Tigers, or perhaps, according to Happy Tiger's father-in-law, he was never offered a contract.

 

[Goose]

Hodgson had signed with Parra after the merger was announced so i don't know how you blame Tommy for that.Caine was chosen over Hodgson and how does that decision look now?

fair to say they under estimated hodgson….young players surprise in both directions all the times

apparently we sent someone to check out Thurston and came back with a thumbs down

and blokes like Karl McNIcoll (now Filiga) get signed for $200k a year and compared favourably to SBW and never do anything

recruitment is tricky

 

[magpie_mania]

This whole argument is complete rubbish.

Im a balmain fan originally.

Anyone who denies the benefit and importance particularly in Junior development of the Macarthur is misguided at best.

Anyone who thinks that providing players is the be all and end all is also a fool, stating who provides more players and blah blah blah is being overly simplistic.

Junior development is as much do with setting up systems (recruitment and otherwise) from all areas to build HM, SGB and NYC teams to provide a constant flow of quality players through to the top. The West Tigers seem to be doing very well at this.

The fact is that without each other the Balmain Tigers and West Magpies would be extinct, we have the JV, which has some disadvantages for both teams, the art of compromise, the sooner fans of the former entities focus on what they do have, rather than what we dont have the better off we will all be, and the happier the fans will be

Hooray finally a balmain someone who sees it for what it is.The facts are that mcarthur area is very important for juniors but we cant talk about that because too many ex balmain people will cry and give us references to 1929 when balmain juniors were great.Balmain certainly offer us a good share of other things but when we talk juniors the ex-balmainers go crazy.

 

[matty119]

This whole argument is complete rubbish.

Im a balmain fan originally.

Anyone who denies the benefit and importance particularly in Junior development of the Macarthur is misguided at best.

Anyone who thinks that providing players is the be all and end all is also a fool, stating who provides more players and blah blah blah is being overly simplistic.

Junior development is as much do with setting up systems (recruitment and otherwise) from all areas to build HM, SGB and NYC teams to provide a constant flow of quality players through to the top. The West Tigers seem to be doing very well at this.

The fact is that without each other the Balmain Tigers and West Magpies would be extinct, we have the JV, which has some disadvantages for both teams, the art of compromise, the sooner fans of the former entities focus on what they do have, rather than what we dont have the better off we will all be, and the happier the fans will be

Hooray finally a balmain someone who sees it for what it is.The facts are that mcarthur area is very important for juniors but we cant talk about that because too many ex balmain people will cry and give us references to 1929 when balmain juniors were great.Balmain certainly offer us a good share of other things but when we talk juniors the ex-balmainers go crazy.

But this argument isn't about juniors! And if it is, then is should be under a new thread. I don't really think that any Balmain people truly believe that we have more juniors, but comparatively it needs to be acknowledged that Balmain holds their own considering the size of their base.

But as I said, this isn't about juniors, its about what is best for WT and their future, and without a doubt a joint state cup side is what is best for WT, and realistically there is no fairer way to set up the side than to call it Wests Tigers, base them out of Concord, and split games between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, the same as FG. State Cup is a pathway to FG, so we should not be differentiating them from FG players just to keep a small group of people who can't move on happy.

 

[batboy]

Have been holding off on this for a fair while now….
BUT.....
If ANY local area is SOOOOO important for the farming of Juniors that are vital to our success as a club, Maybe someone can explain to me HOW are Melbourne so successful???
Thier farmland is literally thousands of miles from thier club base.
(Insert Salary Cap dig here)
Great players are farmed and drafted from ALL areas, Yeah we have got some great kids from out West, But we also have got some from Up North, And over east as well.
While a local Area is important, These days it's not overly important....
The fairytales of growing up in the system and playing in your local area, Are SO few and far between these days to warrant a discussion of this magnitude.
And it will only become less and less of a non event!!

 

[batboy]

He held the point scoring record for some time or maybe he still does. I think that is harsh.

Hodgy hold it ATM i Believe…
But I also Believe one Mr. B. Marshall is very close to Beating it...
So by years end it should read....
1: B.Marshall
2: B.Hodgson
3: J.Caine

And to say that JC is the worst WT player of all time...... PFFT!!
I would have him over 2 Dean Collis's, Rhys Hanburys etc, etc, etc....

 

[magpie_mania]

Have been holding off on this for a fair while now….
BUT.....
If ANY local area is SOOOOO important for the farming of Juniors that are vital to our success as a club, Maybe someone can explain to me HOW are Melbourne so successful???
Thier farmland is literally thousands of miles from thier club base.
(Insert Salary Cap dig here)
Great players are farmed and drafted from ALL areas, Yeah we have got some great kids from out West, But we also have got some from Up North, And over east as well.
While a local Area is important, These days it's not overly important....
The fairytales of growing up in the system and playing in your local area, Are SO few and far between these days to warrant a discussion of this magnitude.
And it will only become less and less of a non event!!

Complete garbage Melbourne storm made sg ball grand final two years ago under 20s are second won comp two years ago.But more importantly how bout you refer to the broncos for homegrown talent.Lockyer,Langer,Lewis and about 300 others of similiar ilk.Now i know brisbane has so many juniors its not funny.However if you look at an area like ipswich which has so many stars its not funny.Campbelltown can become our mini brisbane.With an increased salary cap iin 2013 it will give us a chance to blood more juniors aswell.