Who Should Coach the Wests Tigers

[Demps]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

 

[cochise]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

 

[TigerWest]

Riccio saying on SEN Madge could be sacked as early as today

Yeah, heard that too...Dead man walking, apparently.

In light of that, I guess the plan is to have Sheens fulfil his original job as floater and caretake until a replacement is found?
Can anyone remain in doubt about how we have become a bottom of the ladder side?
I think the question in my mind is..why didn’t we pick up the spoon in 21? Were the Bulldogs that much better than us at board incompetence?

Well let’s make that call today then. Can’t let the Madge saga go on any further. We are being bashed in the media.

So what, the media don't run our club?

 

[Demps]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

 

[cochise]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Believe me I have thought about this a lot, this club is like family to me so I hope that I would be able to treat it in the same way. Kind of like a family member marrying a horrible person. Disagree with the decision, support and hope for the best and be there if it all fails apart. Have no doubt it will hurt if we go that way. Probably as much as when we merged.

 

[Demps]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Believe me I have thought about this a lot, this club is like family to me so I hope that I would be able to treat it in the same way. Kind of like a family member marrying a horrible person. Disagree with the decision, support and hope for the best and be there if it all fails apart. Have no doubt it will hurt if we go that way. Probably as much as when we merged.

Interesting.
Good answer man, I like it.

I haven't hated anyone involved with the club ever as yeah, we all seem to have the same approach and stick by "our own".

However seeing fans turn against Brooks and Nofo has been red hot. I think we've all had enough of the failure and want some success... see what happens.

 

[hobbo1]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

Flanno would need some kind of NASA shit to give these gronks ?

 

[hobbo1]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Believe me I have thought about this a lot, this club is like family to me so I hope that I would be able to treat it in the same way. Kind of like a family member marrying a horrible person. Disagree with the decision, support and hope for the best and be there if it all fails apart. Have no doubt it will hurt if we go that way. Probably as much as when we merged.

At least flanno would get Nofo off the cones and onto some real stuff .

 

[barra]

The Polls closed but if it comes down to Madge being moved on in Favour of Sheens.
Now call me crazy but I really only see one coach that can work with Sheens and can work with this club and that is Todd Payten.
I know he is still contracted for two more seasons and unfortunately since Ivan Cleary did the dirty on us the rules of approaching a coach mid contract have changed which makes this all the more difficult.

It’s been mentioned that we need an identity. People fans, media a like want to see Wests Tigers return to Wests Tigers football?

What is that? Well I can only assume it is Tim Sheens’ philosophy of coaching.

I always saw Payten being our coaching successor, Brought to the club in 2004 by Sheens to quote “add a bit of nous amongst the hard running forwards”. He was integral to not only 2005 as a mid 20 yo but also in 2010 and 2011 as a 30 year old. Payten was like our coach on the field. Funny considering that Sheens was also a front row forward known for being too smart to be part of the front row forwards club.

Yes mate I also well remember the success that Payten had with our young fellas. My own thoughts at the time were that he would become a really good NRL coach with us, but that would need some years away from the club while he developed into a worthy NRL coaching candidate. Then he could return with the required credibility and confidence while hopefully maintaining the man-managing skills he showed with our 20s.
Is he there yet? Not quite, and his management of Taumololo has raised plenty of eyebrows. So I think he still has a ways to go, and as you pointed out in your original post it doesn't look like lining up this time anyway, given his contractual status.
I also remember well the white-ant stories and that some would not want him here for those reasons but it would be interesting to hear Payten's side to the story... I wouldn't be against him coming back to coach somewhere down the track provided he can show some better results beforehand.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Massive difference between individuals taking the risk on an individual basis and a whole club actually systematically doing it and enforcing it on all players. The players testified that they didnt know what they were being injected with. That is without getting into what happened to John Mannah.

 

[Demps]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Massive difference between individuals taking the risk on an individual basis and a whole club actually systematically doing it and enforcing it on all players. The players testified that they didnt know what they were being injected with. That is without getting into what happened to John Mannah.

Yeah... I re familiarised myself with all the information as it was long ago.

Seems like they had a doctor, the coach and others assuring them it was all good.

Very shady.

Real question is... Flanagan has essentially, "done his time" ... seemed to be welcomed back onto Fox league this year... how are you going to feel when he's welcomed back into a head coaching role at the club?

 

[Tiger5150]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Massive difference between individuals taking the risk on an individual basis and a whole club actually systematically doing it and enforcing it on all players. The players testified that they didnt know what they were being injected with. That is without getting into what happened to John Mannah.

Yeah... I re familiarised myself with all the information as it was long ago.

Seems like they had a doctor, the coach and others assuring them it was all good.

Very shady.

Real question is... Flanagan has essentially, "done his time" ... seemed to be welcomed back onto Fox league this year... how are you going to feel when he's welcomed back into a head coaching role at the club?

I would not be happy. If he turned everything around and we were successful I guess I might turn but the guy has no principles and IMO a successful culture is built on strong principles in the first place. How do you establish a culture of working hard for each other and doing the right thing for your team mate when the boss has repeatedly shown otherwise?

 

[Needaname]

The Polls closed but if it comes down to Madge being moved on in Favour of Sheens.
Now call me crazy but I really only see one coach that can work with Sheens and can work with this club and that is Todd Payten.
I know he is still contracted for two more seasons and unfortunately since Ivan Cleary did the dirty on us the rules of approaching a coach mid contract have changed which makes this all the more difficult.

It’s been mentioned that we need an identity. People fans, media a like want to see Wests Tigers return to Wests Tigers football?

What is that? Well I can only assume it is Tim Sheens’ philosophy of coaching.

I always saw Payten being our coaching successor, Brought to the club in 2004 by Sheens to quote “add a bit of nous amongst the hard running forwards”. He was integral to not only 2005 as a mid 20 yo but also in 2010 and 2011 as a 30 year old. Payten was like our coach on the field. Funny considering that Sheens was also a front row forward known for being too smart to be part of the front row forwards club.


Yes mate I also well remember the success that Payten had with our young fellas. My own thoughts at the time were that he would become a really good NRL coach with us, but that would need some years away from the club while he developed into a worthy NRL coaching candidate. Then he could return with the required credibility and confidence while hopefully maintaining the man-managing skills he showed with our 20s.
Is he there yet? Not quite, and his management of Taumololo has raised plenty of eyebrows. So I think he still has a ways to go, and as you pointed out in your original post it doesn't look like lining up this time anyway, given his contractual status.
I also remember well the white-ant stories and that some would not want him here for those reasons but it would be interesting to hear Payten's side to the story... I wouldn't be against him coming back to coach somewhere down the track provided he can show some better results beforehand.

Thanks mate. Although I really strongly feel their is no time like the present. I too would really like to hear what the truth or at least someone’s viewpoint from closer to the action regarding the white anting as it my opinion that it was all blown out of proportion.

I really don’t see any point to appointing a different coach. I understand what you are saying re better results and on the whole the season record with the cowboys looks horrible however; and not making excuses for him and his coaching this season; but he had a pretty similar squad to ours, a retirement to the clubs captain and leader. A long term injury to the clubs leading forward and the clubs leading back.
Despite that and despite the table he displayed on multiple occasions that he can coach tactically. Including a season like ours and the Roosters which featured a fair turnover of roster personally throughout the 26 rounds.

If I was Sheens I’d be giving him a call and asking him if he wants to rebuild the modern squad to what Sheens started almost 20 years ago.

 

[Demps]

Sorry @cochise

I'm all in on Flannagan.
I think he's more what we need than Ciraldo.

I'm sure he'll bring some decent assistants with him too.

Defence coach : Paul Gallen.
In a Tigers polo.
Never would i have thought....

I can't be ok with risking the health of young people to win football games

That's not OK, in general.
However I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

In my opinion it is not worth the risk and I will find it extremely difficult to support him as coach. Would rather keep madge

Just to clarify, your issue is with the use of peptides?
That's what you believe caused harm to the young people?

No one knows what they were injected with.

Just wondering if that's your complaint with Flanangan.

Sharks aren't the only one doing it and it's common among athletes all competing for a future in a sport, across the world and in all types of sport.

Some get caught, most don't...
Seen highly rated players coming through the ranks, arrive alive cup, under 20s.... whatever reason, doesn't work out... move into the fitness industry and are juicing both during, after and currently.

Not going into specifics and naming names as such... but at the end of the day, no one forces anyone to take that supplement or inject any substances.

This runs very deep within the sporting culture and as I said, some get caught but most don't.

So that makes it ok and I should just accept someone who acts in a manner that is against the rules and goes against my beliefs. Just so my team can win a few more games. I don't care what others do, I do care what our club does.

I hear what you're saying...

Just read the information regarding it all as if was some time ago.

It's not uncommon in the game though from the early grades onwards. Some players are willing to take that risk to get an advantage over an opponent and hopefully secure a contract somewhere to better their careers.

We'll see how this plays out with who actually gets the job.

What are you going to do if Flanno gets the job though?

Massive difference between individuals taking the risk on an individual basis and a whole club actually systematically doing it and enforcing it on all players. The players testified that they didnt know what they were being injected with. That is without getting into what happened to John Mannah.

Yeah... I re familiarised myself with all the information as it was long ago.

Seems like they had a doctor, the coach and others assuring them it was all good.

Very shady.

Real question is... Flanagan has essentially, "done his time" ... seemed to be welcomed back onto Fox league this year... how are you going to feel when he's welcomed back into a head coaching role at the club?

I would not be happy. If he turned everything around and we were successful I guess I might turn but the guy has no principles and IMO a successful culture is built on strong principles in the first place. How do you establish a culture of working hard for each other and doing the right thing for your team mate when the boss has repeatedly shown otherwise?

Seems it's got the forum divided.
Anyway, just gonna say...

Everyone don't be so naive regarding drug use in the game , recreational or performance enhancing.
We've all heard the stories.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just an off the cuff observation but Xerri and Scott would be a red hot centre pairing. If anyone could get the best from this pair it would be Flanagan.

 

[Demps]

Just an off the cuff observation but Xerri and Scott would be a read hot centre pairing. If anyone could get the best from this pair it would be Flanagan.

🔥🔥🔥

 

[426Tlgerland]

I’m under the impression Flanagan did not know players were getting injected with that gear and stopped it straight away , weather that’s true or not I don’t know , but I’m sure he copped it for not knowing as he was in charge , if he was requesting the players to get those shots I think his punishment would have been a bit more harsh , , anyway time will tell who comes in if the rumours of Madge departing are true , but time is not on our side we need a call made and get on with the business of preparing and purchasing players for a competitive side next season

 

[gallagher]

If they sack Madge and have to pay him out $750k they will employ a cheap rookie.

 

[coivtny]

If they sack Madge and have to pay him out $750k they will employ a cheap rookie.

I really doubt that. They mightn't choose the right coach to our way of thinking but I don't think money will be a key factor in their thinking.

 

[gallagher]

If they sack Madge and have to pay him out $750k they will employ a cheap rookie.

I really doubt that. They mightn't choose the right coach to our way of thinking but I don't think money will be a key factor in their thinking.

Well over $1mill will be spent on Madge and Mbye to go away. I'm not sure we're that flushed.