Who should Madge's assistant coaches be for 2022?

[tony soprano]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Over JAC
Finucane and JAC did nothing in Semi

Tpj can play but bad attitude

Not end of the world

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

There are those that have contributed to our failure that have been at the club longer than three years. If you applied the same principles to all the stakeholders then your argument may look more rational than the vendetta you appear to have with Maguire as being the sole reason for our failure.

Accountability is now a vendetta! Three years of appalling failure which the team regressing. The club with Sheens and new assistants (appointed by other than Maguire) also appear to have very real concerns.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Might need you guys to step up and in the box as assistants
@Demps @hobbo1 @TheDaBoss
@Tiger_Fanatic3 will be on the sideline relaying msges 😂
Surely you's can't do a worser job 😂😂

 

[TigerWest]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

 

[TigerWest]

It’s not really scapegoating , more just an acknowledgment that at the very least Collins should never have been here in the first place , especially when the word out of south’s 5 YEARS AGO , that the game had passed him by.
Madge needs young guys with fresh ideas . The tried and true teams got demolished this year , and the ones with newly retired assistants , demolished teams .
The Peachey signing , IMO, is foreshadowing where I think most teams will move towards in the next few years , and as such hopefully , with a body shape and type of player change , this will lead to lower scoring games .
As another year of 50 point drubbings from the 1st team in the comp to the 5th team in the Comp, will lead me to probably becoming a casual fan unfortunately. I hate it . I hated super league when it came in , and I hate Vlandys ball .
I’m staying positive , but even before the Melbourne game , I was out on it . That Titans game where they went up by 24 and we came back , all in a half , is straight bollocks . That was considering a hurculean feat 5 years ago , now it’s round 16.
This is all to say I hope we hire young, hungry , and most importantly clever students of the game , otherwise I think we are in trouble . Vlandys ball is going to lead to the NRLs destruction if there isn’t a shift .

So we signed up Sheens instead?

 

[Demps]

Might need you guys to step up and in the box as assistants
@Demps @hobbo1 @TheDaBoss
@Tiger_Fanatic3 will be on the sideline relaying msges 😂
Surely you's can't do a worser job 😂😂

Couple of scousers and the kebab king.
What could go wrong. 😂

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

Doesn't there appear to be a pattern?

 

[TigerWest]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

Doesn't there appear to be a pattern?

Yes, we weren’t prepared to pay inflated prices?

History will decide if that was correct or not?

 

[avocadoontoast]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.

 

[Nelson]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.

That's a bit rich, complain about other people creating narratives and then ram yours down everyone's throats for the 500th time...

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

Doesn't there appear to be a pattern?

Yes, we weren’t prepared to pay inflated prices?

History will decide if that was correct or not?

With the appointment of Sheens and two new assistants, history records that Maguire is now in quicksand.

 

[tigertuff]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

Doesn't there appear to be a pattern?

Yes, we weren’t prepared to pay inflated prices?

History will decide if that was correct or not?

We just payed $400000 for a 31 year old bench player that played his best footy years ago. Isn't Nofo on $600000 also. So between a winger and a bench player we have lost 1 million out of our 9 million cap. Its crazy.

 

[Telltails]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

There are those that have contributed to our failure that have been at the club longer than three years. If you applied the same principles to all the stakeholders then your argument may look more rational than the vendetta you appear to have with Maguire as being the sole reason for our failure.

Accountability is now a vendetta! Three years of appalling failure which the team regressing. The club with Sheens and new assistants (appointed by other than Maguire) also appear to have very real concerns.

Its a vendetta when you you do not apply the same principles to others who have contributed to the failure for an extended period of time.
Sheens had 3 successful years out of nine at this club he out of anyone knows it takes more than one man to turn a club around and plenty contribute to success and failure.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.

That's a bit rich, complain about other people creating narratives and then ram yours down everyone's throats for the 500th time...

I’m pretty sure I’ve posted my opinion a lot more than 500 times.

 

[jadtiger]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.

That is your interpretation,mine is players have NEVER wanted to come to our club unless we pay their pension.I am very pleased to see we are no longer persuing that policy

 

[jadtiger]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

Doesn't there appear to be a pattern?

Yes, we weren’t prepared to pay inflated prices?

History will decide if that was correct or not?

We just payed $400000 for a 31 year old bench player that played his best footy years ago. Isn't Nofo on $600000 also. So between a winger and a bench player we have lost 1 million out of our 9 million cap. Its crazy.

I don't know what either player is on and i doubt if you do either but my impression is whatever salary Nofo is on is mainly down to our chairman pushing his nose into something he should have no say in.I quite like Nofo but he is reportedly on too much for too long imho.

 

[JC99]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.


That is your interpretation,mine is players have NEVER wanted to come to our club unless we pay their pension.I am very pleased to see we are no longer persuing that policy

I would've happily payed JAC's, Latrells and TPJ's 'pension' if it meant they were playing for us.

Paying overs for genuinely good players is something every club does except us, we pay overs for duds. We gave a lot of good players good offers and none wanted to join, I'm not sure why there's an argument about that part.

Argue why they didn't join all you want but the fact is the club wanted them and they didn't want to come

 

[jadtiger]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.


That is your interpretation,mine is players have NEVER wanted to come to our club unless we pay their pension.I am very pleased to see we are no longer persuing that policy

I would've happily payed JAC's, Latrells and TPJ's 'pension' if it meant they were playing for us.

Paying overs for genuinely good players is something every club does except us, we pay overs for duds. We gave a lot of good players good offers and none wanted to join, I'm not sure why there's an argument about that part.

Argue why they didn't join all you want but the fact is the club wanted them and they didn't want to come

With your policy of paying too much we would soon be at 3/20 instead of 3/19 (years in playoffs/no playoffs).If those figures don't tell you we need to change nothing will

 

[JC99]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three season!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

It’s the last 10 seasons, not 3?

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bias.

We've been appalling for the last 3 season all due to the Maguire plan.

It seems the club also has very real concerns bringing in Sheens and new assistants appointed by other than Maguire.

You conveniently forget that Madge was hamstrung by cap issues, not of his doing, except BJ (who as a collaborative effort with recruitment), who most thought was a good signing at the time?

Madge is the coach, we are yet to see what role Sheens will play in it all, he won’t be taking over the team if that’s what you think? I think Madge will have a say in his new assistants, but not the only say?

When do the excuses stop! He has only had three years. It's a great gig if you can get it!

We were hamstrung but still able to make big offers for Latrell, TPJ, JAC, Finucane etc. They just all turned us down. This ‘no cap’ argument has been created to somehow justify us missing out on pretty much every established player we’ve gone after.

Who wants those jerks

We did, but they didn’t want us.


Except for Mitchell who went to souffs because of the perceived culture the other 3 went to other clubs for more money(Overs).Our club has decided not to pay overs for players after paying overs for our entire existence with terrible results.At least we are trying something different

Where was it reported we offered less? That is a narrative that was created on here as an excuse for missing out.

Where was it reported we offered more? I do think the club have been frightened by paying more then the perceived value for a player and that has hindered our negotiations.

Payments to players are confidential, so everyone is guessing.

From memory, JAC pulled out of negotiations with us and went the Dogs.

TPJ was similar I believe, he was going to sign, but went to Dogs at the last minute?

I guess there is a bit of reading between the lines?

Finucane, did we actually make an offer? He was supposedly asking for a lot over 4 years (again from memory)?

It wasnt reported anywhere we offered more, but the whole ‘won’t pay overs’ argument is speculation only. The fact of the matter is we had a lot of money and landed no one except for a couple of esl players and a bloke who was cut by the Titans. Our ability to attract players sucks and it’s a mixture of the club being a joke and the coach not being someone players want to play for.


That is your interpretation,mine is players have NEVER wanted to come to our club unless we pay their pension.I am very pleased to see we are no longer persuing that policy

I would've happily payed JAC's, Latrells and TPJ's 'pension' if it meant they were playing for us.

Paying overs for genuinely good players is something every club does except us, we pay overs for duds. We gave a lot of good players good offers and none wanted to join, I'm not sure why there's an argument about that part.

Argue why they didn't join all you want but the fact is the club wanted them and they didn't want to come


With your policy of paying too much we would soon be at 3/20 instead of 3/19 (years in playoffs/no playoffs).If those figures don't tell you we need to change nothing will

Not sure what you mean by that to be honest. We've rarely signed any top quality players for overs in our entire existence! There is absolutely nothing wrong with signing origin level players for good money, you can't win a competition with guys that are solid at a decent price. Every guy we've signed for overs have been at the end of their careers or not that great to start with

 

[jirskyr]

The Cronulla winning culture is also based upon a very strong junior recruitment, identification, retention and development system. The Sharks also have an excellent junior training facility at Cronulla High, relocated from the grounds upon which the Woolooware Bay development was built.

To attribute the success at the Sharks soley to the use of whatever they used is incorrect. They are still a strong club in and around the top 8.

The Sharks don't have a winning culture, I'm sorry, not any more. They had a good period under Flanagan, but it's since been shown they were not only substance abusing but they were also cheating the salary cap. That's the lengths they had to go to to achieve some sustained success.

Since the peptides were turned off and they stopped cheating the cap, they are a borderline finals side who haven't won a finals match since 2018. Their previous sustained performance was under Johnny Lang, and after he left they made the finals only 5 times in 13 attemps including one wooden spoon.

Also borderline bankrupt except for last-minute sale of their swamp land for unit development. Regular unrest at head office including several CEO sackings (at one point they had appointed 3 CEOs in 12 months); on top of when their chairman got done for possession.

In fact they are so ordinary they remain Wests Tigers' second-best head-to-head opponent, despite us winning only 3 of the last 12 against them.

I'd take their 'borderline finals' finishes all the time over where we have been for the last three seasons!

Before you start throwing stones at other clubs, take a look at our own club.

No no don't move the goal posts.

I wasn't comparing Cronulla to Tigers. Most teams have a better record than Tigers. You said the Sharks have a winning culture. The Sharks by themselves, not compared to Tigers or Cowboys or Dragons.

Any Tigers fan would take borderline finals... for about 3 or 4 seasons. Then we'd all get upset about not being able to improve beyond early finals exits - as the Sharks fans are doing now. They didn't change their coach because their results have been fantastic.