Why Do We End Up With All The Dud Coaches?

Time ,time ,time … We just got to give him time what rubbish ,how could anyone give this coach time when you have 2 capable hookers in reserve grade and you play your 1/2 back at hooker . I would give anyone time if they showed they were at least competent with there selections, how fantastic was our defence last night only losing by 8 points playing a reserve grade side I am so happy the defence has improved .Just look at Talyor in the presses this guy has nothing sorry WE ARE TRYING HARD TO IMPROVE news flash TRY harder.
 
@happy tiger said:
@madunit said:
Patience would be required if it weren't for the fact that Taylor is having the biggest impact on all of these Juniors careers.

Imagine what Brooks and Moses could be like now if they hadn't been dicked around with over the past season and a half.

They haven't been allowed to play their natural game either, due to this mundane game plan of 5 hit ups and then a midfield uncontested bomb.

Why have halves if that's the game? Just put Pat Richards at halfback and fill the side with backrowers.

Because this club needs to have all the Sheens influences forcibly removed

Because this club needs to be run by the coach , not the players who want to try and find the easiest way out at every given chance

This club has never ever fully accepted structure , it is going to be a long road

This bus ride is going to be a long one , the bus has shonky breaks , the shocks are gone and the powersteering needs fluid , but JT is an A Grade mechanic and he will fix it properly , not patch it up ,give us the thumbs up and pray it works

Hope on for the ride if you want if your game enough , or rent a limo and head over to Bondi

I always liked bus trips , we wanna wee ,wanna wee ,wanna wee :laughing:

Shame the bus is still riding on a retread (Taylor).

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@madunit said:
Patience would be required if it weren't for the fact that Taylor is having the biggest impact on all of these Juniors careers.

Imagine what Brooks and Moses could be like now if they hadn't been dicked around with over the past season and a half.

They haven't been allowed to play their natural game either, due to this mundane game plan of 5 hit ups and then a midfield uncontested bomb.

Why have halves if that's the game? Just put Pat Richards at halfback and fill the side with backrowers.

In the meantime we could send Brooke's, Moses, Sironen and maybe Tedesco down to Melbourne Storm on a scholarship or on a 12 month loan so they can be coached by Bellamy. 12 months under him could save Taylor a lot of time.

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@Flippedy said:
The same season the Roosters brought in Robinson, WT brought in Potter - I thought we had signed the better coach by far - after all, who was Robinson? How wrong was I?

Rookie caretaker coach Paul MacGregor steps in at the helm of a depleting St George line up this season and has them going gangbusters - _immediately_.

Geoff Toovey has had to endure all sorts of drama at Manly for the past few seasons. They are losing players at a rate of knots, but he has somehow managed to instill a fighting spirit into the team and they are on their way back up the ladder once again.

God, even Ricky Stuart is beginning to get the best out of his young Canberra side. They are currently playing the best footy I've seen them play in years!

And WT? Well we've gone from the latter years of the Sheens era, which was marked by the boys club and some seriously senile team selections, onto dopey Potter, who appeared to be void of any sort of people skills and now we have "I have NFI how to implement a game plan", pasty face scarecrow Taylor! Just bloody wonderful! BUT we have loads of potential, so I'm told :unamused:

Just lucky I guess!

Seriously, I thought Potter was the go. When we got Taylor I was a bit disappointed but a few wins have made me feel better. However, the few wins has vanished.

All the signs are there for yet another long season. :bawling
 
@happy tiger said:
I don't think JT is a dud coach

We have to give him the time and show patience in him

He has been put their for a reason , because he won't shirk what needs to be done

If in 12-18 months nothing has changed then crucify him then , but give him the chance for his plans to work

He talks sense , defence wins premierships , if we can get our defence right everything else will come

Patience Patience Patience everyone

Totally disagree,
This is a team sport where BOTH defense and Attack wins you games.

In 2009 our defense was pathetic, we brought in a defensive coach and within 6 months up until 2011 we were one of the best teams defensively and with keeping our attack!!!!

This bull$&@ about 2 years learning defense, What happens in 2 years we forget how to attack do we change coach to teach us how to attack???

You dont see top competitive teams removing there attack to build there defense its got to be worked on in combination..
Real Madrid without Ronaldo and Bale and Rodriguez sorry guys where paying you but dont need attack this year…

Stop sticking up for a dope, Nrl is a physical sport not a game of chess like NFL thats why the game is becoming boring because people like you are accepting boring plays that Taylor is trying to di

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@Snake said:
Time ,time ,time … We just got to give him time what rubbish ,how could anyone give this coach time when you have 2 capable hookers in reserve grade and you play your 1/2 back at hooker . I would give anyone time if they showed they were at least competent with there selections, how fantastic was our defence last night only losing by 8 points playing a reserve grade side I am so happy the defence has improved .Just look at Talyor in the presses this guy has nothing sorry WE ARE TRYING HARD TO IMPROVE news flash TRY harder.

We had the same amount of SOO players missing

Both sides were reserve grade sides

If you ever get the chance Snake , have a look at the calibre of players that the Cowboys can call on from the Townsville Blackhawks or their bench

Hannant ,Costigan , Lui , Glenn Hall , Kyle Feldt and blokes like Moga out injured

They must have the strongest club depth of any side
 
@happy tiger said:
This isn't a broken mobile phone you go and replace if its broken

You can't go out and buy a complete rugby league side and coach in the situation we are in financially

We have to build and buy astutely , if you all thought bringing JT here was going to be a quick fix think again

It could be 12 months before we see some consistent results

Stick with the team and wait for the good times , they will come , we are just going to have to do this the good old hard way , with hard work and discipline

A new coach wasn't required. A new strength, conditioning and rehab dept, yeah. Definately a new CEO. But to change completely the very fabric of the tigers style of play to the point that even those at the game feel embarrassed is just not right. I want my tigers back.
 
@Boonboon2 said:
He has made a real improvement in defence this year already as the figures below show and our attack has stayed constant.

His changes have shown a great improvement so far in S&C with less injuries and players looking fitter and stronger.

Our attack we are scoring as many as last year and more then 2013.

We have let a lot of players go at the end of last year and like any coach you work with what you have and focus on the big issues in this case defence and injury management

Points against
2012 - 22.95
2013 - 28.63
2014 - 26.30
2015 so far -19.5

Points for
2012 - 21.1
2013 - 16.1
2014 - 17.5
2015 - 17.4

Please compare apples with apples - what were those years stats at the same period. I suspect last year at this time we were doing ok until Robbie lit the fuse

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@wd in perth said:
@happy tiger said:
This isn't a broken mobile phone you go and replace if its broken

You can't go out and buy a complete rugby league side and coach in the situation we are in financially

We have to build and buy astutely , if you all thought bringing JT here was going to be a quick fix think again

It could be 12 months before we see some consistent results

Stick with the team and wait for the good times , they will come , we are just going to have to do this the good old hard way , with hard work and discipline

A new coach wasn't required. A new strength, conditioning and rehab dept, yeah. Definately a new CEO. But to change completely the very fabric of the tigers style of play to the point that even those at the game feel embarrassed is just not right. I want my tigers back.

You'll get them back WD , just let them get better defensively and mentally stronger first
 
JT must be useless if he has to spent all day every day on defense and not be able to get are side to do more than one out hit ups and a bomb. if are A GRADE coach do the same he would be gone by now. JT ur a disgrace and hiding behind : iam building a defence culture : the fans need to rebel i cant and will not attend another match this year end while we dish up this crap.
 
Our attack and defense?

I just want a scientific answer:
Why can't they tap their heads and rub their chests at the same time?

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Seems to me the defence is on track. It's the attack that's been stifled. How long until we do something in attack? What, we can't do anything other than bomb every 3 minutes? Please, it's not a defence argument here. It's the fact that they're not allowed to attack at all.
 
@Tigersman said:
JT would work well if he was put in a team that had been there for awhile (Sharks,Roosters,Rabbits,Dogs), He works on a structure and if half your bloody team are under 21 then your not gonna have a structure.. what JT is trying to do will not work for this team because they are just too inexperienced and have never needed to play structured footy because they where to talented for it. it's hard for them to go from playing unstructured as hell to getting thrown into a structured team …Payten was great with the 20s in 2011-12 maybe get him as coach...

We don't need a whiteanter!!!!!!
 
@Russell said:
The whinging on here is more boring than "5 up and kick"

Go follow the Rorters if you don't like it.

If you cant take it, you go to the Rorters and take the coach back with you….

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@happy tiger said:
@Snake said:
Time ,time ,time … We just got to give him time what rubbish ,how could anyone give this coach time when you have 2 capable hookers in reserve grade and you play your 1/2 back at hooker . I would give anyone time if they showed they were at least competent with there selections, how fantastic was our defence last night only losing by 8 points playing a reserve grade side I am so happy the defence has improved .Just look at Talyor in the presses this guy has nothing sorry WE ARE TRYING HARD TO IMPROVE news flash TRY harder.

We had the same amount of SOO players missing

Both sides were reserve grade sides

If you ever get the chance Snake , have a look at the calibre of players that the Cowboys can call on from the Townsville Blackhawks or their bench

Hannant ,Costigan , Lui , Glenn Hall , Kyle Feldt and blokes like Moga out injured

They must have the strongest club depth of any side

Completely false statement happy tiger. Both teams did not have the same amount of players missing due to SOO.
Us - Farah & Woods. 2 players
Them - Thurston, Morgan, Scott & Tamou. 4 players.
Looks pretty obvious who was disadvantaged more.

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@cqtiger said:
Our attack and defense?

I just want a scientific answer:
Why can't they tap their heads and rub their chests at the same time?

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Because you can't take a selfie then CQ :laughing:

Get with the times
 
To those of you saying that we need to have some patience and to give JT more time to get the team functioning better - I get that, everyone needs a little time to get things rolling. However, when you see the team regressing like they are at present (especially in attack) you have to start to ask questions about the coach's ability to coach.

The point I was trying to make in my OP was that WT never seem to be able to sign the kind of coach who can produce good results reasonably quickly - it's always about some 5 or 10 year plan with us, which never seems to eventuate.

I wonder if Trent Robinson had a 5 year plan in mind when he took the Roosters from 13th to win the Premiership in his rookie coaching year? I also wonder if Paul MacGregor is thinking the same thing with his Saints team currently sitting in second place on the ladder. In his very short stint as head coach, MacGregor has also somehow managed to do what Sheens & Potter could never seem to do - turn Benji into an effective halfback!

I understand that WT have a reasonably young side and we certainly do not have the playing roster of the Roosters, but there are also a lot of young blokes at Saints and they are coming together really well, under good coaching, in spite of that. I really think that Taylor is trying to implement some sort of game plan that doesn't really suit the type of players he has here at WT and I'm concerned that he is hampering, rather than enhancing, the development of our young guns. In essence, I just want a coach that actually fits here.
 
@larrycorowa said:
@happy tiger said:
I don't think JT is a dud coach

We have to give him the time and show patience in him

He has been put their for a reason , because he won't shirk what needs to be done

If in 12-18 months nothing has changed then crucify him then , but him the chance for his plans

He talks sense , defence wins premierships , if we can get our defence right everything else will come

Patience Patience Patience everyone

Irony is the same people were on here carrying on after we lost to Canberra by throwing the ball around.

We threw the ball around and ripped the raiders apart,then 25 minutes in they went hell,we are not suppose to be doing this and went back to the boring crap we see every week.
End result canberra score 30 unanswered points and we don't get anymore points and lose. :crazy
 
i have no problem with him working on our defence but when he is coaching the team NOT to attack or be creative he has lost the plot.Players like our halves will never be great defensively but he is not letting them use their ability in attack that annoys me he is trying to put square pegs in round holes.
 

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