Why Nathan Cleary was never heading to the WT's

[happy_tiger]

Yawn..

Geo what's with your signature?
"Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over.."

Was that a JT or Mick Potter Quote?

Honestly looking at how Penrith threw out Griffin, before the finals no less. I don't think the statement is fair on us Now.
Did Nathan Cleary organise that? Did the Penrith team do it to keep Cleary?

The Player group is not in charge anymore, and I pity the poor player that tries this with Madge.

Benji said it amidst the Voldermort saga..

Who's Voldermort

 

[Geo]

He who shall not be named… :unamused:

 

[Silentio]

For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.

For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

 

[Silentio]

Why’s he arrogant? Lol get a grip.

I was never coming to the WT's …......had how many months to say that..............GNR

No reason to do the interview how many months later ......he just wants to rub it in .....poor Dad ......can I borrow the Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance please 😢

As if he does that, then Penrith lowball him.

Cone on Penrith have obviously known for a very long time Ivan was coming back ,and knew Nathan was staying

I think we all need to come to that realization , this was planned far in advance

Good call.

Penrith were never letting Nathan Cleary go. Nathan knew it, Ivan knew it, we knew it (that's why we never approached him).

Gus Gould has been around long enough to know that coach and son on opposing teams is only ever short term.

The writing was on the wall in giant letters, way back. Plenty of people on this forum called it too and were bagged for it.

 

[happy_tiger]

He who shall not be named… :unamused:

Oh Royston Lightning

 

[TheDaBoss]

He who shall not be named… :unamused:

Oh Royston Lightning

Parry Hotter

 

[Harvey]

For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.

For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

They are well paid, with half earning as much as the prime minister. If they don’t like the volatility, then go and get a real job.

A good coach should make a good manager in almost any profession.

Is there a more insular, ignorant and arrogant family than the Cleary’s? My poor daddy was portrayed as a money hungry grub with no integrity, just because he basically is one.

I hope things go pear shaped at Penrith very quickly, with crap results forcing more daddy and daughter time as they defend themselves against teammates and media that point out how horribly overrated they both are

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.

For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.

For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

 

[The_Patriot]

Why’s he arrogant? Lol get a grip.

I was never coming to the WT's …......had how many months to say that..............GNR

No reason to do the interview how many months later ......he just wants to rub it in .....poor Dad ......can I borrow the Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance please 😢

As if he does that, then Penrith lowball him.

Cone on Penrith have obviously known for a very long time Ivan was coming back ,and knew Nathan was staying

I think we all need to come to that realization , this was planned far in advance

Good post.

First time i have agreed with one of your posts. Probabaly the last.

Good post though.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

 

[innsaneink]

They get paid well and deservedly so…. I think most of us would seriously reconsider our careers if we had to put our bodies through what these blokes do

 

[Telltails]

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

Fans are not objective about most things in the NRL. The colour of a jumper can change things in the blink of an eye.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

Fans are not objective about most things in the NRL. The colour of a jumper can change things in the blink of an eye.

A lot on here we’re advocating Nathan breaking his contract a year early to come here. That was no problem. Suddenly Ivan breaks his contract 2 years early and he’s Ivan the terrible, a bad person with no morals.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

I'm not saying you're wrong GCT, just giving my opinion on why fans expect loyalty.

The game has moved on on from having a lot of one-club players. It's the reason I wasn't upset that Mbye was released to come to us early but once it was evident that Ivan had done the dirty I was ropeable.

 

[happy_tiger]

We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.

Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

Fans are not objective about most things in the NRL. The colour of a jumper can change things in the blink of an eye.

A lot on here we’re advocating Nathan breaking his contract a year early to come here. That was no problem. Suddenly Ivan breaks his contract 2 years early and he’s Ivan the terrible, a bad person with no morals.

Some maybe

Some of us realize that even with two world class halves we won't win games unless our forwards can come out at least square on the ledger at full time

 

[supercoach]

Okay just a bit of offseason fluff produced to sell advertising, but the Cleary family if they had any brains would .go under ground to the season starts after the actions of Ivan. No amount of spin can ever justify Ivan's actions. Okay young Nathan is trying to protect his family, but mate the damage is done and reputations have been tarnished for a very long time

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

They get paid well and deservedly so…. I think most of us would seriously reconsider our careers if we had to put our bodies through what these blokes do

It’s a business now and players have to look at it that way too, players may have a preference for a certain club or for a preferred Coach or locality, but even they have to consider life after football, and do the best to get what they can, when they can.
In this game you may be only one tackle away from injury or retirement at any time ( remember Tuiaki)
Get it while you can

Players often cop it from fans when they go elsewhere for a better deal, but fans aren’t going to tip in for the players to live the way that they aspire to for the rest of their lives.

 

[supercoach]

They get paid well and deservedly so…. I think most of us would seriously reconsider our careers if we had to put our bodies through what these blokes do

It’s a business now and players have to look at it that way too, players may have a preference for a certain club or for a preferred Coach or locality, but even they have to consider life after football, and do the best to get what they can, when they can.
In this game you may be only one tackle away from injury or retirement at any time ( remember Tuiaki)
Get it while you can

Players often cop it from fans when they go elsewhere for a better deal, but fans aren’t going to tip in for the players to live the way that they aspire to for the rest of their lives.

I have no beef with Nathan wanting to stay with Penrith, in fact I think it is good to see, but I don't like him trying to justify Ivan's actions and have a subtle dig at our club. We did nothing wrong, we were the innocent party, on the other hand the villain was IC and you cant sugar coat it

 

[Chris]

At least he didnt read from a pre-written statement. He seems to have more guts than his old man.