Will you be attending the Save the Wests Tigers March?

[hammertime]

I agree many mixed messages about the whole issue with
everyone giving their two bobs worth...maybe this Wests Tigers Unite
will help consolidate and focus on whats wanted

Yeah, I actually agree with tucker above. Removing the debenture system should trickle down to everything else and that was certainly my angle. It all starts there and is only asking for normal governance structures.

But there are multiple angles to achieve a strong, independant board for WT. Unite has to focus on what is the most achievable, not necessarily the optimal outcome.

I.e. I dont think hbg can be removed.

 

[supercoach]

Hats off to all the people who went to Pratten Park. Like the petition last year people power knocks down walls. Watching the media coverage of the event, it has been very pro the fan base and the HBG has taken a massive PR hit.

All eyes will be on the HBG group so they will be under great pressure to be transparent and for once act in the interests of the club and not their own. Of course there is a chance once the dust settles it will be back to their old ways, but I think they now know they are under a spotlight. As fans we have to keep up the fight

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I respect people’s passion for this, but if I’m being honest, it felt a little cringy seeing it on the news. Just adds to the circus that is the club we support. To the average Joe Blow who doesn’t follow this or care, it looks like just another day in Tigertown.

 

[Telltails]

I respect people’s passion for this, but if I’m being honest, it felt a little cringy seeing it on the news. Just adds to the circus that is the club we support. To the average Joe Blow who doesn’t follow this or care, it looks like just another day in Tigertown.

Yep. We should all be in therapy.

 

[cktiger]

Part of the criticism is they supposedly don’t like the Balmain side of the merger, don’t care, don’t spend any money and do nothing to help.
Funding the Balmain junior reps contradicts those beliefs.

Miniscule in the pool of wealth they control... and it was agreed on as part of the deal years ago.

 

[Vicious]

Miniscule in the pool of wealth they control... and it was agreed on as part of the deal years ago.

Paton and Fallah have both stated they do not have to fund this if they don’t want to.
I very much doubt they are intending or wanting to cut the funding, but more of a statement to say if they continue to be painted as villains long term without an opportunity to do things right, funding they are not required to make could come under question.

 

[EllisFan]

You are correct...you don't care.

Anyone with any decency wouldn't come out with a callous sounding remark like that.

Then combining "you don't care" with "you are a fan of another team" clearly shows the hatred y'all have towards Wests Magpies.

And it's not acceptable to you and the rest of the mob that when someone follows Wests Magpies for many years till 2000, then switches their allegiance to Wests Tigers while keeping an eye on Wests Magpies, is totally unacceptable.

You'll accept nothing else but total domination, which has been happening for many years on here already.

So, you need to claw back some power over us by demanding we no longer have any allegiance to Wests Magpies.

Yeh, well sorry, I won't give you that power over me.
I like to fight fair, even against a typical unfair dictator.

I hope for your sake that this is not the way you conduct yourself when away from football.

I’m starting to see this from the Wests/Magpies/Ashfield side (a little). They have acted in goodwill for a long time to keep the Balmain disaster from sinking. They didn’t have to do that. That’s not to say they got nothing in return.

Moving forward. How do Wests Tigers fans deliver respect? Genuine question.

We (the many thousands of WT fans) are not Balmain. But I can see that side of the argument.

We want an independent WT Board.

What do you want?

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

Paton and Fallah have both stated they do not have to fund this if they don’t want to.
I very much doubt they are intending or wanting to cut the funding, but more of a statement to say if they continue to be painted as villains long term without an opportunity to do things right, funding they are not required to make could come under question.

Well, just quietly, V, I reckon PVL hopes that happens so that he can remove the licence and move it on to a more worthy player, via an interim NRL administration.

 

[WestsEffTheRest]

Is it the least worst though?
He still can’t coach at this level and those that threatened to leave certainly aren’t the loyal soldiers everyone on here craves are they?
We’ll see how it plays out I guess…

Who extended Benjis contract?

 

[crazycat]

Sorry....it doesnt make sense. The formatting is very difficult to follow

Sorry innsaneink formatting sucks and i can't make it easy to read.

HBG took on Balmains debt which includes looking after the juniors, its what leagues clubs do

It's what leagues clubs "should", "Often" and "can" do.
They can also plough all their money into real estate. I.e. Panthers over 7 years ago was buying up land like no tomorrow. Gus changed their focus back to league.

TLDR: HBG don't 'have' to throw all their profit at us.
They "should" fund us, the club patreons want too. I believe it's the right board decision to do so.

But, technically and legally they don't have too. If they wanted to play really stupid they could throw all their money into Magpies in the junior grades and just ignore the first grade side. I believe their would be a bigger riot then there currently is, but it is still possible that HBG take their ball and go home. I think that's Vicious's point.

Heck I will recognise the HBG contribution while calling out their stupidity for destablising the club. I do believe PVL should have taken far stronger action on Dennis and others but he did not.
Perhaps it was out of fear of HBG pulling out their funding?

 

[tigereye]

Does PVL also not deserve the trust ?
Does the money put in by Wests Leagues over the years not deserve a stern warning as they have received, prior to them being forced out ?
Until now they have never previously received a stern warning like what PVL has given.

PVL has them dining at the last chance saloon. Pulling the funding for the balmain juniors would be the last decision the HBG would make for the WT.

 

[jirskyr]

Out of curiosity does anyone think the likes of Epifania and Fallah have the right to be angry?
I don’t hold any grudges against anyone who attended or supported today’s protest, but surely at least some of Fallah’s comments make you understand why somebody like him would be angry ?
Can anyone blame them if they decide to cut the funding for Balmain because they feel disrespected ?
If that happens and there is no Balmain Harold Matthews or SG Ball teams it would be a very sad day and a big blow to Wests Tigers pathways.

They have no right to be upset, no. If HBG was doing their job there would be no need for protests.

Protests are lawful and reasonable.

Fallah seemed mostly upset they protested at Prattan Park, which happens to be an asset of Cumberland Council, not the personal property of Wests Ashfield.

And threats to cut Balmain spending when a significant number of protesters are old Magpies supporters.

Fallah and co are framing this as a Balmain vs Magpies thing, too incompetent to understand it's a Wests Tigers vs Wests Ashfield thing.

 

[jirskyr]

Yes but things such as the money being spent to keep the Balmain junior reps alive is something that is not being considered.

It is being considered. Funding Balmain JDRLFC was an agreement within the acquisition of the Balmain Leagues Club.

 

[jirskyr]

How does anyone know they are not good for the club ?
You cannot just label every single person involved or associated with HBG as an idiot as not all of them have been directly involved for a long period of time and not all of them would agree with every decision that has been made.
Ex players could be a bit more knowledgeable about the game than what some people think.

They've had 25 years mate and 11 of those as sole owners. What more proof do you need?

And what are their qualifications? They don't need qualifications, they just need to have paid some money and earned some votes.

That's the problem.

Whay is, for example, Allan Fallah's professional skillset to bring to running Wests Ashfield or Wests Tigers?

 

[EllisFan]

How do we appease the Magpies enough for them to let independent people run Wests Tigers?

- let them design the Campbo WT jersey
- let them run and profit from Campbo games
- honour their proud history at Campbo games
- make the Magpies more prominent on the jersey
- keep the reserve grade side as the magpies and pump money into growing it’s brand

I don’t actually know what they want, but it’s worth having the conversation.

 

[jirskyr]

That's skipped ahead a few steps to that point. I think it's potentially one of the roots of the problem.

Now there are rallies to remove them.

I think what Viscous is suggesting is, if they are continually 'disrespected' in their eyes, they might just stop propping up the Balmain side of things all together. They are not under any obligation to do so.

Balmain, and the poor governance that got them into the position that only gives them a token 10% share gifted to them to maintain a JV status- are not being criticised at all for getting the Wests Tigers club into a position where Wests/HBG have the opportunity to have such a large controlling stake.

What are you talking about not criticising Balmain? Balmain's dead mate, there's nothing left to say.

 

[EllisFan]

That's skipped ahead a few steps to that point. I think it's potentially one of the roots of the problem.

Now there are rallies to remove them.

I think what Viscous is suggesting is, if they are continually 'disrespected' in their eyes, they might just stop propping up the Balmain side of things all together. They are not under any obligation to do so.

Balmain, and the poor governance that got them into the position that only gives them a token 10% share gifted to them to maintain a JV status- are not being criticised at all for getting the Wests Tigers club into a position where Wests/HBG have the opportunity to have such a large controlling stake.

It might pay for HBG to do some research here.

If they think it’s only 300 old Balmain fans that are fed up, I think they’re wrong.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Tell that to the dozen blokes who attended the Unite Wests Tigers rally wearing Balmain Phillips jerseys. And a big shout out to Darcy’s designated club legend Blocker Roach 🥴

So, what are you going to tell me next there were no magpies jerseys there either, did blocker make any reference to a push for a Balmain agender.

As usual you spin rubbish that annoys us who are exclusively Wests Tigers supporters.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

So, what are you going to tell me next there were no magpies jerseys there either, did blocker make any reference to a push for a Balmain agender.

As usual you spin rubbish that annoys us who are exclusively Wests Tigers supporters.

Correct: there were no Magpie jerseys in attendance.
You'd have known that Fisherman Steve, if you'd been there
Who do you support again ?

 

[jirskyr]

You haven’t seen the results of the next 3-13 months yet, we cannot predict the future ti know that PVL’d intervention as a results of the fans voice being heard, will not change the way HBG operate for the better moving forward.
Ongoing protests causing unneeded drama for Wests Tigers is not allowing PVL’s intervention a chance to work.

You might as well stop. Fair enough you dont think HBG have done much wrong or should be given the benefit of the doubt to keep trying.

Most fans don't agree with you. You're not going to argue people around to suddenly thinking HBG should be offered more leniency.

It doesn't help that you are an old Magpies man and probably more biased than old Balmain or young WT fans.

I would like to hope if this was Balmain Leagues doing all the recent damage I'd be just as scathing, but it's not Balmain Leagues and the hypothetical gets us nowhere.

And if anyone is threatening to cut funding to the kids in Balmain district, or wanting a mickey mouse badge for funding junior footy in that district, it just goes to show how petty and unprofessional they are.

Funding Balmain district should be an automatic obligation of the merger, not a carrot you dangle in front of your trusted minority partners.