WOULD IZZY ADD VALUE TO WESTS TIGERS

[larrycorowa]

Yeah we are not really getting anywhere. I guess we just see where it ends up.

We are only going around in circles because your arguments about 'tolerance' and 'inclusion' are only buzzwords designed to shut people up.

When they are turned back on you, those same arguments implode.

The obvious answer is don't shut people up, and either beat them with a superior argument, or avert your gaze.

Really.,,,,it’s obvious you can’t really have a mature debate on the issue. I should have looked at your username before I tried logic.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Last time, can the religious semantics, discuss the topic.

Fair enough if you think his comments are (not) worthy of signing him on a PR level,but we don't need 50 pages of interpretation of Christian dogma and how that applies to signing Izzy. Such discussions are cyclic and better left to stink up it's own thread.

 

[jirskyr]

I wonder what anyone who thinks Folau can say whatever he likes and be left alone, I wonder what they think about Joel Monaghan or Pearcey simulating sex with dogs, or Todd Carney pretending to wee in his own mouth? Neither of those things are illegal and yet look at the consequences. What about a man's freedom to pee in his own bloody mouth? How dare you persecute such a freedom of artistic expression?

So just to be clear, in your eyes simulating bestiality and quoting the Bible are the same thing?

While i understand your point about the consequences of freedoms (and agree with the general point), i think you can do better job of illustrating it.

I don't think Folau should be left alone for his comments, to the contrary everyone should be allowed to voice their opinions on every topic they like, without being shut down or shouted down.

Out of curiosity, do you think the opinion of the Qantas CEO is more valid than the opinion of Israel Folau ?

Equally valid comments. Except one guy's money eventually lines the other guy's pockets.

Ill say it for perhaps the last time, I'm not shouting the guy down for his comments. I just don't think its smart operations to be so public and unrelenting in your negative views towards the lifestyle of a quite large section of society.

Believe what you want, say what you want, just don't get upset if not everyone wants or values your opinion.

And yes being extreme, simulating bestiality and quoting the bible are both non-illegal forms of expression. Obviously one is probably socially more extreme than the other, but how extreme that is really depends on your POV. Some ppl dont find what Carney or Pearce did as particularly troublesome. Some people are more offended by Izzy's comments.

Ask members of the gay community are they more troubled by a famous bible-quoter or an equally famous dog cuddler?

 

[NT_Tiger]

"simulating bestiality and quoting the bible are both non-illegal forms of expression."
Three cheers jirskyr! I can't stop laughing.

 

[trumper]

Personally I couldn't care less which god he believes in.

Considering the public stance of the ARU towards being inclusive of homosexuals, the fact that the CEO of the major sponsor of the Wallabies is an open homosexual, and also the clear desire of the ailing ARU not to upset him; Folau has revealed that he is either too stupid, too stubborn or too convinced of his own importance to follow the game plan.

For me that is enough not to want him anywhere near my football team - a team which has, despite the sidelining of their highest-paid and most famous player, continued to succeed with the attitude that if a man falls in the front line, there is a willing and able man there to replace him.

Look at how Hayne derailed not only the Gold Coast but also Neil Henry in 2017.

Perfectly said.

All gays are going to hell and the CEO of your major sponsor is one of them. What a clever thing to say. Wait - "God made me do it".

The link between Qantas and Emirates makes the stance by the former against Folau to be not a good look. And the ARU inclusiveness provision not only applies to sexual orientation but also religious beliefs.

Ch9 reported this is the hot topic among fellow church members in the Eels' dressing sheds. Gallen's criticism of Folau on Ch9 last Sunday perhaps would not have gone down well with team mates who are members of the same Church (huge church).

Shouldn't the Eels be talking more about other things, like how to win a game? Nobody pays to watch people genuflecting on the first Sunday of September. If Folau has that effect on the hopeless Eels from such a distance, I'm going to double down on no thanks.

As to the whole mess with Qantas, Emirates, the ARU and Israel Folau, the observer will notice that the perversity of the Abrahamic cults of monotheism and the shrill railing against homophobia both count for nothing against a stack of printed plastic - so there's no need to really take any of that seriously.

Nobody is arguing that Folau should face exclusion because of his beliefs - well I'm not. I'd exclude him because our team, the Wests Tigers, is doing so well at the moment precisely because we don't have any such divisive characters on our roster - whether they draw the lines of division using religion, sexuality, skin colour or knock-ons per match is irrelevant, as the opposite to division is inclusion, and thats what a team is, inclusive.

Surely someone can see the criminal irony in the actions of both sides; the ARU's "Israel, you have no right to voice that opinion, we're inclusive' stance, and Folau's 'I have a right to be included because I belong to a group of people who believe in the right to exclude'.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I like rugby league
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No to Folau

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

no!!!!
been out of the game too long,
may be ok.
too big a risk IMO.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Personally I couldn't care less which god he believes in.

Considering the public stance of the ARU towards being inclusive of homosexuals, the fact that the CEO of the major sponsor of the Wallabies is an open homosexual, and also the clear desire of the ailing ARU not to upset him; Folau has revealed that he is either too stupid, too stubborn or too convinced of his own importance to follow the game plan.

For me that is enough not to want him anywhere near my football team - a team which has, despite the sidelining of their highest-paid and most famous player, continued to succeed with the attitude that if a man falls in the front line, there is a willing and able man there to replace him.

Look at how Hayne derailed not only the Gold Coast but also Neil Henry in 2017.

Perfectly said.

All gays are going to hell and the CEO of your major sponsor is one of them. What a clever thing to say. Wait - "God made me do it".

The link between Qantas and Emirates makes the stance by the former against Folau to be not a good look. And the ARU inclusiveness provision not only applies to sexual orientation but also religious beliefs.

Ch9 reported this is the hot topic among fellow church members in the Eels' dressing sheds. Gallen's criticism of Folau on Ch9 last Sunday perhaps would not have gone down well with team mates who are members of the same Church (huge church).

Shouldn't the Eels be talking more about other things, like how to win a game? Nobody pays to watch people genuflecting on the first Sunday of September. If Folau has that effect on the hopeless Eels from such a distance, I'm going to double down on no thanks.

As to the whole mess with Qantas, Emirates, the ARU and Israel Folau, the observer will notice that the perversity of the Abrahamic cults of monotheism and the shrill railing against homophobia both count for nothing against a stack of printed plastic - so there's no need to really take any of that seriously.

Nobody is arguing that Folau should face exclusion because of his beliefs - well I'm not. **I'd exclude him because our team, the Wests Tigers, is doing so well at the moment precisely because we don't have any such divisive characters on our roster - whether they draw the lines of division using religion, sexuality, skin colour or knock-ons per match is irrelevant, as the opposite to division is inclusion, and thats what a team is, inclusive.**
Surely someone can see the criminal irony in the actions of both sides; the ARU's "Israel, you have no right to voice that opinion, we're inclusive' stance, and Folau's 'I have a right to be included because I belong to a group of people who believe in the right to exclude'.

Amen to that.

 

[trumper]

Yep.

God knows we don't need Israel's fallout.

 

[innsaneink]

People defending free speech. My question, is there a limit to free speech? Or can you say absolutely anything when you are in the public spotlight? Somehow i don't think you can.

Anyone can say whatever they want, but common sense, tact and diplomacy is wise…..otherwise you risk a smack in the mouth, getting the sack or getting divorced

 

[WT2K]

He'll re-join the storm. That's my guess

 

[Luke]

For people not wanting us to sign Folau because of his personal beliefs is just ridiculous. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, it's our right in this country.

Has a story every come out about him not being a team player or causing any disharmony amongst his team mates? No. So what's the problem? I can't see him derailing our culture at all. He is a nice down to earth guy.

Just because team mates may have a different opinion to you outside of footy does not mean that's going to be impacted at training or come game day. It's just ridiculous what some people think.

 

[Russell]

For people not wanting us to sign Folau because of his personal beliefs is just ridiculous. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, it's our right in this country.

Has a story every come out about him not being a team player or causing any disharmony amongst his team mates? No. So what's the problem? I can't see him derailing our culture at all. He is a nice down to earth guy.

Just because team mates may have a different opinion to you outside of footy does not mean that's going to be impacted at training or come game day. It's just ridiculous what some people think.

I don't care what he believes or what he says.

We don't need him at that sort of price - not value for money imo.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

For people not wanting us to sign Folau because of his personal beliefs is just ridiculous. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, it's our right in this country.

Has a story every come out about him not being a team player or causing any disharmony amongst his team mates? No. So what's the problem? I can't see him derailing our culture at all. He is a nice down to earth guy.

Just because team mates may have a different opinion to you outside of footy does not mean that's going to be impacted at training or come game day. It's just ridiculous what some people think.

I don't care what he believes or what he says.

We don't need him at that sort of price - not value for money imo.

X2 Russ.

Don't care about his comments, he will not be value for money.

 

[hammertime]

People defending free speech. My question, is there a limit to free speech? Or can you say absolutely anything when you are in the public spotlight? Somehow i don't think you can.

Anyone can say whatever they want, but common sense, tact and diplomacy is wise…..otherwise you risk a smack in the mouth, getting the sack or getting divorced

I'm not sure where all the shock is coming from. People know it's in the bible and that he's a deeply religious person. He's basically quoting a verse that everyone knows exists.

The bible has been around for a long, long time. People are going to have to learn to ignore it. Views like izzys are better on the surface than as an undercurrent.

 

[Luke]

For people not wanting us to sign Folau because of his personal beliefs is just ridiculous. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, it's our right in this country.

Has a story every come out about him not being a team player or causing any disharmony amongst his team mates? No. So what's the problem? I can't see him derailing our culture at all. He is a nice down to earth guy.

Just because team mates may have a different opinion to you outside of footy does not mean that's going to be impacted at training or come game day. It's just ridiculous what some people think.

I don't care what he believes or what he says.

We don't need him at that sort of price - not value for money imo.

X2 Russ.

Don't care about his comments, he will not be value for money.

I tend to agree, he is asking for a lot. If we were to sign him I'd want it for the rest of this year + 2019\. Because that's when the next top players are off contract - i.e. Nathan Cleary. There's no other top players we could go for atm and we have a bit of cash to burn in the meantime…

 

[Wildcat777]

He is free to say what he likes. It’s Anzac Day soon and that is one of the reasons why we fought! Stick political correctness and all its friends up the clacker!

Would he add value? Probably would help sell more memberships, help with the funding…but will leave that to the Wests Tigers marketing guru’s ...it’s not rocket science.

In terms of on field performance and the benefit to the team will leave those decisions for the coach. Have faith in him and the football team! Got us this far already!

 

[Tigerdon]

I'd prefer Jamayne Isaako. Probably similar risk if he is going to make a big overall difference to our team. Probably less money and can goal kick. More upside for the WTs.

 

[Muffstar]

Folau is a mercenary, he will take the best money on offer over the clubs best interests imo. I would be happy if he stayed away from the Tigers tbh.

 

[Tigerdave]

good player and all, but yeah can he actually commit to one code and one club?

In so far as his comments are concerned, pretty sure most people can't say what they probably want to say on social media without some sort of backlash from their employers, high profile people even under more scrutiny. He was stupid making the comment he made. If he can't control that, is that something we want to bring here?